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00:02 < jab> has anyone tried running OpenBSD on the open source arm laptop ?  https://www.olimex.com/Products/DIY-Laptop/   
00:02 < jab> It's an arm chip with 2GB of max ram.
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00:10 < dg> that's pretty old hardware now, I suspect not much has changed from this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/1le9g8q/openbsd_on_olimex_teresi/
00:10 < dg> boot loaders on older arm systems are often a pain point
00:10 < dg> (https://www.openbsd.org/arm64.html has some notes too, "Most other machines load their firmware from the boot media and require additional steps to create bootable install media"...)
00:11 < dg> so short is: cpu is supported, rest of the hardware maybe, but you have to work out how to boot it first
00:12 < jab> gotcha.
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00:54 < matrixentity> (try #2 because I needed to register) Hello everyone :) I installed OpenBSD 7.8 and it hangs at boot before
00:54 < matrixentity> init. Specifically it hangs after it tries to recognize cpu3 and cpu4,
00:54 < matrixentity> stuck on this "acpidhpe" text. I am using a quad-core cpu and I'm not
00:54 < matrixentity> sure if this is a shared problem. I have had a look at the FAQ where it
00:54 < matrixentity> says SMT is not enabled, but it really should not introduce a problem
00:54 < matrixentity> when trying to boot; surely it would just carry on and not enable them? I
00:54 < matrixentity>  tried looking deeper and I tried to test out the bsd.mp kernel from the
00:54 < matrixentity>  LiveCD, which worked(!) but obviously it couldn't find the init system.
00:54 < matrixentity>  I do have the bsd.mp kernel enabled as a file set and disabling the bsd
00:54 < matrixentity>  file set does nothing (probably because it chooses bsd.mp anyway). The
00:54 < matrixentity> CPU is an Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9300. If you need more specifics then I
00:54 < matrixentity>  am happy to oblige.
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01:02 < dg> you should be able to at the boot prompt type: boot /bsd.sp
01:02 < dg> if you managed to run the installer that will likely work, although obviously with only one core
01:03 < mischief> broken acpi?
01:03 < matrixentity> there is no /bsd.sp :P
01:03 < matrixentity> which is weird because I enabled that file set
01:04 < fro> there is no openbsd licvecd
01:04 < fro> livecd
01:04 < fro> so not sure what this is in reference to
01:05 < fro> can confirm it has nothing to do with smt tho
01:05 < matrixentity> the disk image then (I chose install78.img)
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01:07 < fro> what do you mean when you say you "enabled that file set"
01:08 < fro> all of the sets are checked and installed by default
01:08 < fro> and bsd.sp wouldn't be in anything you'd uncheck
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01:10 < matrixentity> ah I mean bsd.rp, sorry I get confused
01:10 < matrixentity> no bsd.mp
01:10 < matrixentity> sigh
01:10 < matrixentity> i mean bsd.mp
01:10 < matrixentity> i enabled that as a set
01:11 < dg> the active kernel is copied to /bsd, the other one will have the suffix
01:11 < dg> so if you try boot /bsd.sp you can at least rule out if problem is with multiple cpus
01:12 < matrixentity> dg using by what you are saying, hypothetically I can boot /bsd.mp for the installer and then it would copy that as the active kernel
01:12 < dg> no, that's not at all what I'm saying
01:12 < dg> the installer is a special kernel of its own, that contains a ramdisk
01:12 < dg> what would be useful is to figure out if bsd.sp works for you, or if only bsd.rd (the installer) works
01:13 < dg> then this probably becomes a bug report, although if bsd.sp works that at least makes something usable for you
01:16 < matrixentity> oh yeah your correct with using bsd.rd and not bsd.mp... I am kind of new to openbsd so excuse me if I get things jumbled up :) I assume you mean bsd.mp and not bsd.sp? If so, i can get bsd.mp working, I did mention that. if you are talking about a bsd.sp then I can get looking into that by what you are saying
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01:19 < fro> if bsd.mp works and boots past where you say it hangs
01:19 < fro> not sure what the problem is
01:19 < fro> also you don't enable bsd.mp as a set
01:19 < fro> again not sure what you mean by that
01:22 < fro> in any case don't disable any sets
01:26 < matrixentity> I said that I was using the bsd.mp in the disk image on a usb drive. The last thing I think I can do is open the main drive in the shell prompt you can access from the installer and copy bsd.rd from there. You can enable bsd.mp (and bsd as is mentioned) as a set in the installer, it's in the install guide FAQ. The only set I am disabling is
01:26 < matrixentity> game78.tgz (I did disable bsd for testing purposes to try and get this working but it does nothing, I will reinstall with it enabled).
01:28 < fro> i mean games isn't gonna make any difference
01:28 < fro> i just feel like you're doing something strange
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01:30 < matrixentity> I'm following the installation perfectly so I am not sure what I am doing strange...
01:30 < fro> yeah same
01:30 < fro> i'm not sure either
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01:30 < fro> in any case see if you can boot bsd.sp like dg said
01:31 < fro> if that works then maybe there's a bug?
01:32 < matrixentity> I'll look into bsd.sp
01:36 < matrixentity> P.S. Im going to enable every set except for game78
01:37 < fro> if it hangs at acipdhpe then there's a clue as well
01:37 < fro> might have to disable something
01:38 < matrixentity> I think I made a typo, it may of been acpihpe but we can still look into it. I remember some times it would just hang on the 'ac' part of 'acpihpe'
01:39 < fro> well you can always boot -c and then disable acpidhpe
01:39 < fro> then boot
01:39 < fro> see if that works
01:39 < matrixentity> yep
01:40 < matrixentity> I remember the boot -c command to disable something from when it would power off due to overheating... newsflash something was wrong (I fixed it dw)
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01:51 < matrixentity> So I did the usual boot /bsd command and the same thing is happening... who would've thought. What's weird is that whenever it tries to show 'cpu2: ' and 'cpu3:' (some cases even other text) it does it so slowly, like my clock speed has been reduced, but after it takes it time it prints what is after it quick again. It shows up with the message
01:51 < matrixentity> 'cpu#: failed to identify', then deciding to freeze at the 'acpi' text again! So what I could try to do right now is use the bsd.sp kernel, but I am not familiar with it, so guidance can help (like a wiki or something) because I can't find it anywhere.
01:53 < fro> well just from the boot prompt you'd type boot bsd.sp then hit enter
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01:55 < fro> it should just be in /
01:55 < matrixentity> huh, weird, I did an ls (in the boot prompt) and it couldn't find it, must be a weird thing or I am blind. But bsd.sp works! I'm not sure why bsd.rd does not work... it would be nice to have 4 cores
01:56 < fro> so bsd.sp works and it continues booting and gets you to a working system?
01:56 < fro> just to confirm
01:56 < matrixentity> Yep
01:56 < matrixentity> Do I keep saying bsd.rd? I mean bsd.mp. It confuses me
01:57 < fro> it was confusing me at first but now i know when you say bsd.rd you mean bsd.mp
01:57 < fro> heh
01:57 < matrixentity> lol
01:57 < matrixentity> but yeah can confirm bsd.mp does not work
01:57 < matrixentity> ill try disabling acpi...
01:58 < fro> try that but i think maybe we're at reporting a bug level if you've got to do that
01:58 < fro> at least someone smarter than me should have eyes on this
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01:59 < fro> i've also been drinking which isn't helping either
01:59 < matrixentity> Well... disabling acpi works (gets past the hang)... so you're right, it may be a bug level
02:00 < matrixentity> of course when I disable the acpi the system won't boot but it is still progress (we know the issue)
02:02 < fro> could be something more specific like acipizt, etc
02:02 < fro> i don't know them all
02:03 < matrixentity> yeah well we got something broad so we get the specifics
02:03 < matrixentity> divide and conquer lol
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02:04 < fro> https://man.openbsd.org/acpi.4
02:05 < matrixentity> Gah right went you said that I found them out
02:05 < fro> maybe just acpihpet?
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02:05 < matrixentity> I'll try disabling that
02:06 < matrixentity> nope
02:06 < fro> maybe between you, me, and the alcohol we'll figure this out
02:06 < matrixentity> fair enough haha
02:06 < matrixentity> we know it's something to do with acpi so just brute force it
02:07 < matrixentity> acpicpu nope
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02:09 < matrixentity> intelpmc... nope (really hoped that would do something)
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02:11 < matrixentity> acpiec nope
02:11 < matrixentity> surely there is a better way to do this
02:11 < fro> haha yeah i'm not sure
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02:15 < fro> maybe a BIOS update could help as well?
02:15 < fro> since we know it's acpi-related
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02:16 < matrixentity> I use Canoeboot, which is basically Libreboot, which is basically coreboot, using SeaBIOS textmode. It is already on the highest version available
02:17 < matrixentity> Linux and FreeBSD work so just a proof of concept
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02:19 < fro> ah ok
02:20 < matrixentity> So looking at a reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/148i93o/openbsd_boot_issue_on_lenovo_m910x_after_the/), he solved it by saying his machine was not supported. I think this may be the same for me. First, back when I had a dual core, everything went smoothly, but after the quad core, it would just not like to boot. Second, bsd.sp
02:20 < matrixentity> works. So sadly I may just have to cope with bsd.sp until they can get a Thinkpad T400 modded to work with a QX9300 CPU working.
02:21 < matrixentity> (you may want to transpose the link if you are using libreddit or something like that)
02:24 < matrixentity> Also disabling acpi on bsd.mp doesn't detect the 4 cores, only just 1 anyways. So sadly I can confirm it is the truth.
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02:27 < mischief> acpi is needed to detect other cores
02:27 < matrixentity> Yeah so that's why it gets past the hang
02:29 < mischief> do you know exactly which driver it hangs on? you could disable that instead of all of acpi
02:31 < matrixentity> It hangs on detecting the cpu cores, that's why bsd.sp works. It just does not support enabling extra CPUs, simple as that
02:31 < matrixentity> So unless if I can find another oversight I might just have to mark this problem as closed
02:32 < mischief> no, i'm asking which line the kernel prints before the hang
02:32 < mischief> like specifically, the exact text.
02:33 < matrixentity> cpu#: failed to identify
02:33 < matrixentity> replace '#' with either 2 or 3
02:33 < fro> ok
02:33 < fro> good luck, etc
02:33 < fro> i'm heading out
02:33 < matrixentity> o7
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02:33 < matrixentity> I'm going to head off now
02:34 < matrixentity> Goodbye everyone
02:34 < matrixentity> It's half 2 in the morning for me
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06:23 < librecat> Thanks to my usb-c audio dongle i was able to say "fuck linux im gonna use openbsd from now on"
06:24 < librecat> I backed up only what i absolutely had to and wiped everything for a fresh start on openbsd
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06:53 < vortexx> when the installer prompts to choose sets, just type all
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07:13 < vortexx> oh well, was in scrollback. I bet canoeboot is the source of matrixentity's issues.
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07:42 < librecat> How likely would my work get merged if i make openbsd cross compilable
07:43 < librecat> i made hyperbolabsd more cross compilable so i do have some idea on what to di
07:43 < librecat> They had hacks in every makefile that i comonized in the share/mk/ folder
07:44 < librecat> and i made a multi stage bootstrap where it builds more in the next stage
07:44 < librecat> then i made a ext2 and grub based image builder
07:44 < librecat> but all that work got scrapped when they decided to move to musl
07:47 < vortexx> openbsd already is crosscompilable, it's just not documented much because the devs don't encourage it iirc
07:48 < vortexx> (I'd say any OS that runs on multiple archs has to be crosscompilable anyway)
07:51 < librecat> vortexx: i mean cross compilable from linuc
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08:18 < quinq> lil_lasagna, maybe as likely as fixing openbsd make
08:19 < quinq> s/fixing/making portable/
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08:19 < quinq> Sorry, s/lil_lasagna/librecat/
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08:20 < librecat> quinq: i was building hyperbolabsd using netbsd make
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08:22 < quinq> Is it POSIX?
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08:27 < mischief> netbsd is cross compilable from linux.
08:28 < mischief> not sure of the specifics but ive done it before, maybe the build process bootstraps its own make
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08:29 < IcePic> OpenBSD doesn't even like to have it cross compileable from one obsd arch to another
08:29 < IcePic> unless for the initial porting 
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08:30 < mischief> its pretty bad
08:30 < quinq> Cross-compiling is so 90's
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08:30 < mischief> i asked about cross compiling on the ml and got crickets
08:30 < mischief> quinq: it's not, and everyone does it every day now
08:31 < IcePic> its a large difference in having usr/src/bin/ls being cross-buildable, and having a non-obsd system being able to follow the obsd build system by first building the compiler, then libs and lastly the binaries
08:31 < quinq> Yeah, they roll out a 75GB “yocto” Linux, build it for hours and 10's of GB memory
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08:33 < mischief> i build yocto every day for work and i'm the principal engineer that works on it, so i speak from some experience
08:34 < mischief> it would do the project some good to document cross compilation, since i was lost when trying to do it and nobody replied on the ml
08:35 < quinq> I would quit a job if they forced me to use that, you're courageous
08:35 < mischief> i thoroughly enjoy my job and we are accepting applications :-)
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08:39 < quinq> That's wicked
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11:31 < vortexx> librecat: you're really looking to complicate your life if you want to crosscompile from linux. I'm sure it can be done with enough knowledge but you won't find much support
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14:16 < tylerius> Hello! I'm trying to undo FDE in a remote vm with console access, but since softraid is attached at boot I can't reinstall to sd0. Any tip on how to do this?
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14:49 < avemestr> tylerius: Reinstall.
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14:56 < tylerius> I had the hope to not having to bother Mischa. Thanks for the information.
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15:06 < jab> hey openbsd!  Writing pf.conf is a little confusing for new users (me).  Though I am learning.  Is there an open source OpenBSD package that has a web interface to pf.conf, such that the regular user can log into a running router and dynamically update pf.conf ?
15:08 < jab> I personally like https://github.com/turris-cz/reforis 
15:08 < jab> I think it would be awesome to sell OpenBSD based routers that ship such a web interface by default, so the average computer user can use OpenBSD as their router / firewall. 
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15:08 < tylerius> I don't think so, but you can check this kind of info via cvs tree or openports.pl / openbsd.app to look for packages
15:08 < surrounder> isn't that what opnsense does?
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15:09 < surrounder> freebsd-based, but still
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15:09 < jab> surrounder: opnsense is pretty cool, but I'd rather use OpenBSD.  I like them better. :)
15:09 < jab> but perhaps one could just take opnsense and "port" it to OpenBSD.
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15:36 < IcePic> the problem with gui and net helpers for fw rules is that they have to dumb it down, so you really don't know what you actually allowed
15:37 < IcePic> if you have a button that goes "allow ftp", you might end up with thousands of open ports, just for the call-back which will be choosing ports from 49152-65535 or something. Is that what you expected or not? For "web", is tcp-80,tcp-443,udp-443 what you meant or did it include 3128 for squid www proxy, 8080 and 8443 for those java apps? Noone knows
15:39 < IcePic> you enable SIP because you think you may at some point want it, and whoops, another 10k ports for the voice/video
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15:44 < IcePic> and if you really control all the parts, you can configure ftpd (or ftpd-proxy) and sip (or a sip-proxy) to use less ports in a defined range, but this does assume you know what risk you are mitigating, and why and how to change your server for it, so its now a bit outside of the fw gui having a button fpr "allow ftp" and one for "allow sip"
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15:51 < miah> we use firewalld for some linux stuff at work, and its a special kind of hell
15:53 < miah> i'll take a pf.conf any day over that
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17:20 < jonadab> Even when you can specify individual port numbers, you don't always have the granularity you need in edge cases, e.g., if you need to do SNAT on only _some_ outgoing traffic from a given IP range, depending on port and/or destination.
17:21 < jonadab> In general, GUI tools are just not a good fit for highly technical things like firewalls.
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17:33 < fro> k
17:43 < thrig> yeah I tossed firewalld at some prior workplace. really hard to reason about what the firewall would actually do, hard to do custom things, hard to read the generated rules
17:44 < Bradipo> I've never heard of firewalld... is that a Linux thing?
17:45 < Bradipo> This => https://firewalld.org/
17:45 < Bradipo> D-Bus API, blech.
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17:50 < thrig> "err, couldn't an attacker use the API to open holes in the firewall?"
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17:58 < mischief> good thing dbus has its own firewall
17:59 < thrig> somehow the dbus scripts get a chmod -x on my system
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20:58 < jonadab> I can't imagine how that could happen.
20:59  * jonadab has certainly never put chmod ugo-x in a cron job.  Nope, never ever.  At all.  Hardly.  You know, except when it seemed like a good idea.  But other than that, never.
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