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08:21 < Posterdati> so that ibm eserve xseries 225 is a i386 machine, I was able to boot netbsd 10.1 kernel
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08:22 < Posterdati> ibm eserver xseries 225 type 8647
08:22 < sonya> Posterdati, why not 7.8-i386 ?
08:22 < Posterdati> I will burn a cd with it, the problem is the scsi system
08:23 < Posterdati> it has got 3 controllers: two scsi controllers and 1 server raid scsi controller
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08:23 < sonya> i thought that windows-2003 server was 64 bit, as it was a kind of standard those years (for win servers)
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08:24 < Posterdati> sonya: no 64 bit kernel's booting
08:24 < sonya> got it..
08:24 < Posterdati> sonya: only 32 bit ones
08:25 < kylen> Hi everyone, does anyone have a link to an OpenBSD ISO for the Raspberry Pi 500 that works with automatic installation? I don't have a USB‑UART cable, and the arm64 image only runs over serial, not VGA :-/ . If OpenBSD showed up on the LAN, I could log in and continue from there? 
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08:42 < mischief> kylen: there's no official image like that. usb uart is approximately $1 on aliexpress.. they're pretty handy to have if you intend to work with embedded machines.
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08:52 < vortexx> Posterdati: the badges on vintage machines can be misleading, at least you now know for sure it's i386 and you can move ahead. OpenBSD should be able to handle the scsi stuff.
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08:53 < vortexx> kylen: man autoinstall && man install.site
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09:04 < IcePic> sonya: nah, win 2003 was of equal age of win-xp, and while there appeared 64bit versions of those for test, most people were running 32bit long after those were shipped
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09:06 < IcePic> sonya: according to wikipedia, 64bit (amd64/emt64) came in 2005 for w2k3: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/7yx3zy1ymfdwgveu6rurnh7kcl2qrul.png
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09:14 < IcePic> As for running on old x86_32s with raid, do mind that obsd removed all adaptec raid controller drivers, they had so many data-killing bugs that it wasn't useful to retain unless you had access to adaptec internal docs from what I remember. The windows drivers obviously tapered over the bugs with software, but it was never documented what bugs were in which firmware version and so on
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09:26 < i00nsu> hello, my experience with openbsd start really good and today I am getting insane. \\\ I start httpd in a machine and I cannot acccess the content within the same machine, nor any other from the same network. With or without enabling pf.. all I get always "refused to connect". 
09:28 < i00nsu> what I am doing wrong that unable me to connect to localhost / 127.0.0.1 / or the IP of that machine. ( httpd is running and port 80 is active open to accept connections from * ) 
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09:30 < i00nsu> I can even setup pf to accept all: "pass in on any from any" ( and I get the same error: connection refused ) 
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09:32 < i00nsu> httpd.conf is listening from * 
09:32 < IcePic> does "netstat -an" confirm that?
09:32 < i00nsu> IcePic: yes *:80
09:33 < zelest> pfctl -d and how do you try to connect? telnet 127.0.0.1 80 ?
09:34 < i00nsu> well, I get a page saying "400 Bad Request" 
09:35 < i00nsu> it looks like a html page, but looks like is only readable from telnet
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09:36 < zelest> bad request isn't connection refused though :)
09:36 < IcePic> if you get "400 bad request" then httpd is answering and telling you something is bad
09:37 < i00nsu> using w3m for example, "w3m 127.0.0.1:80" got "unknown address" 
09:37 < zelest> add http:// before it
09:37 < IcePic> w3m perhaps needs "http://127.0.0.1" 
09:38 < i00nsu> IcePic: "cannot load" 
09:38 < zelest> Check your webserver logs to see what's causing that 400 error. Do you host any cgi or fastcgi behind httpd?
09:38 < IcePic> or could you post the httpd.conf ?
09:38 < zelest> (to pastebin)
09:39 < IcePic> zelest++
09:39 < i00nsu> IcePic: I am using a fresh installation, httpd.conf is the copy from /etc/examples 
09:40 < i00nsu> without any fancy configuration.. jus the default
09:40 < IcePic> does it expect your machine to be named example.com ?
09:41 < i00nsu> since is "offline" why not? Shouldn't work? 
09:41 < IcePic> if I look at the example conf, it does and it also would need key and cert for example.com or it would complain at start
09:41 < zelest> I think the first entry in httpd.conf becomes the default  though
09:42 < zelest> With emphesis on think :D
09:42 < IcePic> zelest: but it sends you via 302 to https
09:42 < zelest> ah!
09:42 < i00nsu> hmm
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09:45 < i00nsu> ok.. if I remove the tls and certificates (only listening from 80) .. I can see "403 forbidden" ... but I cannot connect from other machine from the same network. ( and the same error would be what I expect ) .. pf rules are accepting connections from all ( no filter ) 
09:47 < zelest> did you reload the pf rules after modifying pf.conf? it should be accepting connections
09:47 < zelest> try pfctl -d to disable pf temporarily (pfctl -e to enable again)
09:47 < IcePic> and possibly running httpd manually with "-d" so you get all debug output on the console that started it
09:48 < IcePic> also, one step would be to tell httpd where to find content, and make sure httpd-readable file index.html is there
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09:51 < IcePic> like running "date > /var/www/htdocs/index.html" to have some (silly) content
09:51 < i00nsu> ok.. so, I can access from the local-machine, that is running httpd, but even with pfctl -d (pf disable) I cannot see it from local network
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09:51 < IcePic> removing the https part of httpd.conf and the "location * block return 302" part makes it work
09:52 < i00nsu> IcePic: I already did (all certificates and https are gone) 
09:52 < i00nsu> no access from pc from the same network 
09:53 < IcePic> "tcpdump -n -i <name of interface on webserver> tcp and port 80"
09:53 < IcePic> then you see if packets reach your box at port 80 or not
09:53 < IcePic> ..from other machines on the net
09:54 < i00nsu> no results.. no traffic
09:56 < IcePic> then packets are not reaching this host
09:56 < IcePic> is it a virtual machine?
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09:56 < i00nsu> no, two seperated machines, the one that is running httpd is OBSD and the other is a linux box
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09:58 < i00nsu> wait.. I got it.. browser setup httpS without asking. removing I got it. 
09:58 < k0ga> root
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10:00 < i00nsu> ok.. thank you..
10:00 < pmb> Can someone post results of `ls -l /etc/ |grep -E 'conf|my|host'` so I can reset my permissions
10:00 < i00nsu> pmb root:wheel
10:01 < k0ga> hahahhahahaha
10:01 < k0ga> :P
10:01 < pmb> try /etc/resolv.conf with 640 permissions :)
10:01 < pmb> sorry 600
10:01 < zelest> pmb, https://deactivate.org/perm.txt
10:02 < pmb> @zelest, thanks
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10:07 < pmb>  /etct/resolv.conf was the only one I had issues with after some "time saving" automation.
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10:09 < pmb> https://paste.gnome.org/9HxiBtVus
10:10 < zelest> "it was DNS!"
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10:15 < i00nsu> ok, lets see the next step: I setup a ddns address, setup httpd and acme-client. When trying to generate ssl certificate for acme, I get a bad exit: netproc(7775) "invalid response from domain/.well-known/acme-challenge/someRandomCodeHere" .. what I need to setup here? 
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10:16 < pmb> Interesting article here on this resolv.conf/permissions issue: https://sourceopen.com/index.php/ping-and-traceroute-unable-to-resolve-hostnames-while-other-programs-work-fine/
10:17 < pmb> I needed dhcp challenges so went with certbot
10:17 < pmb> Am I mistaken that acme-challenge does not do DNS challenges?
10:18 < pmb> lol, dhcp challenges
10:18 < dennis> mtree(8) also stores default permissions for system files in /etc/mtree/
10:20 < pmb> dennis nice, thanks
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10:23 < sibiria> acme-client only does http-01 challenge
10:23 < sibiria> and cannot process discrete CSRs either
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10:38 < jab> I'm looking at my httpd.conf's access log.  lots of GET /wp-admin/setup-config.php  I'm not even using wordpress.  :) 
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10:41 < sibiria> "they" don't know that
10:42 < inz> jab, welcome to the internet.
10:42 < zelest> a nightly cron, some grep magic straight to /etc/pf.shitheads and a table reload. :D
10:43 < inz> I reported some of the worms to their respective service providers for a day or two, but it's way too much hassle.
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10:51 < IcePic> pmb: acme-client doesn't, thats right. And in some sense, very few cert-requesting programs do, they just call out to some script/program that you mostly need to supply that knows how to act in your name and tell a remote DNS to change some value to the expected key
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14:49 < sibiria> pmb: i recommend ACME.sh
14:49 < sibiria> it supports dns-01, can hook challenges to customiezd scripts, and it supports CSR processing
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15:09 < zbcm> pf is so cozy. I love running pfctl -ss and seeing basically nothing
15:09 < zbcm> and "pfctl -vsr | grep -A 2 block" to see many things
15:10  * oldlaptop likes reading syslog and seeing `sshd: invalid protocol version GET /admin.php`
15:11 < oldlaptop> (which is what happens when you put ssh behind stunnel on port 443 or 8443 or something)
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15:19 < thrig> or port 22
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15:20 < zbcm> stunnel on port 22!
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15:23 < jca> oldlaptop: ports/net/sslh comes to mind
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15:24 < oldlaptop> It apparently didn't ten years ago (or whatever it was) when I last needed ssh-in-tls
15:24 < oldlaptop> it probably should have though
15:25 < oldlaptop> I would be... surprised to see the bots try HTTPS on port 22
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15:25 < oldlaptop> but that would certainly be amusing
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15:26 < ssm_> no one really attacks my wireguard port, I serve ssh on port 22, but it's restricted with `user` in my pf config so no one touches that either
15:26 < ssm_> code smell too bad even for bots
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15:28 < ssm_> (reason for listening on 22 even with wg is because it's for my public repository, I ssh over wg for admin stuff)
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15:33 < thrig> you can also put ssh behind a web server on port 80 or whatever, but that requires some trickery
15:35 < IcePic> ssh3 behind quic
15:35 < IcePic> except its not really ssh v3, they just chose that weird name
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15:36 < thrig> the trick is to have the web server and client pass the stream over to a ssh server and client, so you need a web server (Go) that supports that
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21:43 < jonadab> nerfur: get thrig 
21:44 < jonadab> Err, tabcomplete failure, sorry.
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22:19 < rnkn> I think I already know the answer, but acme-client can't do wildcards right?
22:21 < phy1729> wildcards require DNS-01 and acme-client only does HTTP-01
22:21 < rnkn> phy1729: thanks
22:22 < rnkn> uacme to the rescue!
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22:37 < averymt> it's also fairly trivial to write a script to do wildcards, I had to since I use gdnsd as my DNS server
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23:27 < rnkn> averymt: you mean a script using acme-client, or from scratch?
23:27 < averymt> from scratch
23:28 < averymt> I did it in about 170 lines of bash (probably compatible with sh but I haven't tested it) using jq, curl, and ftp to download the cert from letsencrypt
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23:47 < asji> something I wish to understand about obsd development: openbsd only focus in setting up a secure system of the default system, or includes the big amount of packages enable by pkg_add ? 
23:49 < dg> I'd say packages vary, some packages have patches for things like pledge support, for example chromium, but it's difficult for every package to be maintained to that level
23:50 < rnkn> oh I forgot my registrat provides wildcard certs via API, so it's a curl one-liner :D
23:51 < ssm_> security auditing is primarily focused on the base system, but there are some notable ports that get some extra love, include pledge(4) and unveil(4) jails; most notably www/chromium. The base system is also quite large and can serve a wide swath of usecases, we've got our own state-based firewall, window managers, X server, dhcp client & server, bgp daemon, wireguard, ipsec, among many other things
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23:53 < asji> I mean, some packages produce the "package.core" file, which means they are not very secure, right? At least the code is unstable
23:53 < ssm_> .core files are coredumps from processes that exited with an irregular exit status
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23:55 < ssm_> openbsd doesn't have magic to make 3rd party code from external projects not-buggy
23:56 < asji> so all packages that are not installed by default are 3rd party code
23:57 < ssm_> yes, if you pkg_delete -X you'll be left with just what's in base
23:57 < ssm_> though there are a few ports that are part of openbsd (like smtpd filters), but they're not part of the base system
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23:57 < uwharrie> there's also some 3rd party code in the base system
23:57 < ssm_> yeah, /usr/gnu
23:58 < ssm_> s/gnu/src\/&/
23:59 < averymt> there's also unbound and a few others that are in the main tree
23:59 < ssm_> dhclient was one, but it's been removed some releases ago
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