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01:59 < rnkn> I'm going to solve my aforementioned web app permissions problem thusly (and appreciate critique); the wep app will start as root, chroot and drop privileges, then it will communicate via socket to a helper script that runs as root to do all the file modications and system user account creation
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02:03 < o0x1eef> Why the first part, most web servers would do that for you, and you could avoid it entirely with a high port. 
02:07 < rnkn> o0x1eef: apparently this web server does not? what do you mean a high port? it will be behing nginx communicating via a different socket
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02:10 < rnkn> the web server is Mojo::Server::Prefork
02:10 < o0x1eef> Why do you have to be root for the first part ? The chroot ? Otherwise you could bind to a port >=1024 as an unprivileged user, and let nginx proxy to your app server running on that higher port. 
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02:12 < rnkn> o0x1eef: the chroot yes
02:12 < rnkn> afaik an unprivileged user can't chroot
02:12 < o0x1eef> AFAIK not on OpenBSD but on FreeBSD they can.
02:13 < o0x1eef> It sounds okay I guess, I'm just wary of running things like perl, etc, as root.
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02:15 < o0x1eef> Have you looked into pledge and unveil?
02:15 < o0x1eef> You could use those as an unprivileged user, unveil sounds like it might help
02:16 < rnkn> I have a little, the reason I'm hesitant is that I'm doing development localy on a Linux machine, so to really test things I'd need to faff about with a VM
02:17 < rnkn> atm I have a directory that mirrors my server /var/www and I just chroot into that
02:19 < o0x1eef> On OpenBSD I would personally look into unveil as an alternative to chroot that doesn't require root, so you don't have to run perl as root.
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02:27 < rnkn> yeah, it's just that I want my local dev environment to mirror my server
02:29 < o0x1eef> Then your idea should work, but it is optimized for your dev environment rather than your users
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02:35 < afresh1> security(8) runs as root.  Perl isn't any scarier to run as root as anything else.  I mean, if _possible_ using pledge and unveil is generally a good idea.
02:37 < o0x1eef> The issue with things like Perl in web apps is the CPAN dependencies. Can you really trust them. I'm never sure. So I would take a more cautious approach, and unveil/pledge could definitely help there.
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02:38 < rnkn> yeah but if I don't trust the CPAN dependencies I'm not left with much of a framework
02:38 < o0x1eef> That doesn't mean you can't take precautions. WIth pledge you can decide what sys calls are allowed. With unveil you can control access to the filesystem. So if malicious code does happen to run, you have some protection.
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05:29 < rnkn> I'm getting this on OpenBSD server but not on Linux local when trying to drop privileges for a Perl app: unable to allocate memory for closure at lib/Bliptown/Model/Page.pm line 92.
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05:47 < rnkn> that's bad right?
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05:55 < rnkn> the line in question calls a FFI::Platypus imported C function md_html from md4c
05:55 < rnkn> so OpenBSD does not want me running my C code?
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06:19 < rnkn> thought this could be due to a nosuid on /var but changing that didn't help
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06:34 < thrig> login.conf limits may be relevant
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06:52 < rnkn> thrig: yeah I've boosted them pretty far
06:54 < rnkn> the daemon starts as the bliptown login class, then the Perl script chroots and chdirs and setuid to the _bliptown user. I'm not sure what login class that makes _bliptown?
07:12 < rnkn> I've set usermod -L bliptown _bliptown
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07:15 < rnkn> okay it's definitely the call to the C library md_html
07:15 < rnkn> *C function
07:15 < rnkn> I comment that line and it works
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07:31 < IcePic> rnkn: sounds like you found a good place to printf some debig, like get_loginclass and getuid,getresuid,geteuid and so on
07:31 < IcePic> debug*
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07:52 < rnkn> it seems that once the app drops privileges it's running as no login class?
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08:04 < rnkn> according to /etc/passwd the user _bliptown is in the bliptown login class, but according to the logging from within the Perl app its stack limits are completely different
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08:06 < rnkn> but it's still running with 8MB soft stack limit and 32MB hard limit, which should be plenty?
08:14 < rnkn> I've currently done the chroot, chdir and setuid within the Perl app, but Google AI is telling me I should do this in the rc.d script?
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08:20 < cgnarne> why would you listen to a parrot?
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08:26 < IcePic> rkta: depends on if it needs to do things before it setuids or not
08:26 < IcePic> X11 will bind to the gfx hardware and so on, then drop privs for the rest of its run. If your daemon doesn't need to do things as one user (root) and then drop privs, it can just run with low privs from the start
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08:28 < rnkn> I want the app to run in a chroot, but it can't chroot itself
08:30 < rnkn> I'm starting to think this chroot endeavour is a lost cause...
08:30 < IcePic> so if root starts rc.d/some_daemon it could run chroot(8) as uid 0 and you give params to chroot(8) so it setuids to the wanted uid
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08:35 < rnkn> I'm just testing the chroot (which I thought was solid) manually and perl is crippled
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08:39 < rnkn> it's so frustrating because it works on my Linux machine. bah!
08:39 < rnkn> (doing the chroot/setuid within the app)
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10:07 < rnkn> is this AI advice remotely true? https://paste.sr.ht/~rnkn/d569a8627753cd7112be4ec1f1d320f29f596656
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10:10 < quinq> Why would anybody review random sentences auto-generated from a computer for free
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10:11 < rnkn> I can pay 50 internet points
10:12 < rnkn> can go as high as 100 if the feedback is really good
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10:15 < cgnarne> stop listening to the parrot
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10:21 < quinq> rnkn, though if you have an actual technical question about a problem you're trying to solve, I'm pretty sure some people around here would try to help
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10:22 < rnkn> quinq: I have lost hope in my ability to chroot my web app; will setting an appropriate unprivileged daemon_user and login class be enough?
10:23 < rnkn> I guess that's not definitively technical, more qualitative 
10:23 < quinq> Well, OpenBSD already provides a chrooted web server that can talk to another service through CGI
10:25 < quinq> You need a process to open the privileged port from the outside
10:25 < quinq> s/from/listening on/
10:26 < quinq> If that process doesn't support “dropping privileges”, then it'll always run as a privileged user anyway
10:26 < quinq> What's the architecture of that “web app”?
10:26 < rnkn> Mojolicious (Perl)
10:31 < quinq> I suppose you could duplicate perl installation into a chroot
10:32 < rnkn> what I did was nfs mounted ro the /usr/libdata/perl5 and /usr/local/libdata/perl5 dirs into /var/www
10:33 < rnkn> copied perl, did all the ldd stuff
10:33 < rnkn> libc, etc.
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11:18 < rnkn> I gave up and it's just running as daemon_user="_bliptown" now, no chroot. I'm not sure how I feel about this. 
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14:05 < xx> when browsing https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/ can I get it to display the actual file contents?
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14:24 < cgnarne> yes
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14:36 < xx> how?
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14:38 < cgnarne> what did you try to get the content?
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14:48 < xx> click the filename
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14:50 < cgnarne> then try revision or download
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14:52 < cli> is there an idiomatic way to compile some userspace binary from src with debug symbols?
14:54 < xx> cgnarne: thanks
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14:57 < amnesiac> Hi. anybody tried android debug bridge under openbsd ? 
14:57 < amnesiac> one more question could vmd passthrough hosts usb devices to guest ?
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15:02 < sibiria> it has no passthrough
15:02 < amnesiac> sibiria, i see
15:03 < amnesiac> sad sad
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15:06 < sonya> i tried passthrough with qemu and usb-stick, failed. 
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15:28 < amnesiac> sonya, interesting. thank you. 
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15:29 < amnesiac> i remember tried block device passthrough and it worked
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15:32 < sonya> may be i screwed config. it's possible. unfortunately. https://termbin.com/jqs7
15:49 < IcePic> cli: I think you just set DEBUG to a value
15:50 < IcePic> to "-g" more specifically
15:50 < IcePic> and if it is set, the binary will not get stripped
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16:24 < haddock> anyone in here have a good idea how to recreate master.passwd, I tried using pwd_mkdb on it but then it complains about shadow not being in the group. 
16:29 < IcePic> haddock: what is the exact error?
16:29 < IcePic> I seem to have a group named _shadow with id 
16:29 < IcePic> 65
16:31 < IcePic> the interesting thing is probably 1. why you need to remake master.passwd and 2. what you managed to do before in order to need to run it now
16:31 < haddock> IcePic: my master.passwd got corrupt, I booted the system into single user mode, mounted / and /usr and then tried to run pwd_mkdb but go "cannot find _shadow in the group database" and if I try to just go for passwd I get that line too long. 
16:31 < IcePic> so is it possible you have a broken /etc/group als?
16:31 < IcePic> also*
16:31 < o0x1eef> rnkn I'm not sure I follow. Why do you use OpenBSD if you won't use any of the features that are specific to it, and arguably, what makes it secure in the first place ? eg pledge, eg unveil. I get you use Linux locally. But what's the point of using OpenBSD at all? Not a jab. Just trying to understand.
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16:32 < metavoid> haddock: did you check /var/backups?
16:32 < haddock> IcePic: that might be possible I never looked inside of groups 
16:32 < haddock> metavoid: no I didnt :D 
16:32 < IcePic> /var/backups should have both  etc_group.backup          etc_group.current  
16:33 < IcePic> and passwd if need be
16:35 < haddock> Okey thanks, I will go and have a look 
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17:10 < haddock> IcePic and metavoid thanks now the system is back up again :D
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20:52 < Posterdati> hi
20:55 < Posterdati> please help, I have a router with OpenBSD on it, I need to redirect the traffic for smtpd... I used the rule: pass in on egress inet proto tcp from any to (egress) port { 25 143 465 587 993 995 } rdr-to $mailserver
20:56 < Posterdati> but lan clients could not connect to the mailserver to send mails...
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20:59 < IcePic> no hairpin nat on pf, give the lan clients info so they connect to the $mailserver directly
21:00 < IcePic> lan clients presumably dont have packets that match "pass in on egress"
21:00 < IcePic> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/rdr.html#reflect
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21:18 < asji> About pf rules sequence: in the perspective of prevention, what is the difference between both, if we "block first" and "give access later", or in reverse? 
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21:26 < phy1729> "For block and pass, the last matching rule decides what action is taken"   Though I usually put quick on everything so I can read it top down.
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23:54 < rnkn> o0x1eef: because it’s cool
23:55 < izder456> https://codeberg.org/Izder456/OpenBSD-Soju wrote up some simple automations for my irc bouncing service
23:56 < rnkn> o0x1eef: OpenBSD’s security is not just pledge and unveil, surely
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23:59 < ssm_> my rule order from top to bottom is queue match -> pass all (est. state) -> block all -> quick rules for lo0, ipv6, whatever -> match -> pass
23:59 < rnkn> one thing is I’m able to mount /usr and /usr/local as ro
23:59 < ssm_> pass all not actually needed I think
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