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01:03 < fastcall> dg: i'm sadly aware of the debian problem, thats why I want to repackage this from the source lol
01:03 < fastcall> > so I believe the one under libressl is closer to openbsd's nc
01:03 < dg> fair, makes sense
01:03 < fastcall> but they aren't the same?
01:03 < dg> I meant closer only that it's patched for portability, I'd expect them to be functionally the same
01:04 < fastcall> ah okay perfect then
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06:00 < rnkn> I can see files in /var/mail/ but no matter what user runs `mail` I get the no mail message
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06:12 < rnkn> oh MAIL is set incorrectly
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07:14 < kaotica> i would want to get openbsd onto a raspberry pi zero 2w
07:14 < kaotica> hear it can be a project
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07:43 < avemestr> kaotica: I don't think that device is supported (https://www.openbsd.org/arm64.html), so it's quite amazing if you can get OpenBSD running on that.
07:44 < kaotica> avemestr: ahhhh
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07:46 < avemestr> kaotica: But but but, have a look at this: https://www.tumfatig.net/2023/running-openbsd-on-raspberry-pi-zero-2-w/
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07:48 < kaotica> thanks avemestr!
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13:57 < usagi_mimi> Hello
13:58 < usagi_mimi> I have an issue with libplacebo throwing errors and blue screen for all video files. Even firefox can no longer play video. I see there is a patch on the mailing list but I've never applied one with the openbsd ports before.
13:59 < usagi_mimi> If I drop the diff into /usr/ports/graphics/libplacebo/patches does it automatically get applied when I run make install?
13:59 < usagi_mimi> I know it's a basic question sorry I've been reading the manual and there isn't a clear example of how to do it.
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14:03 < puffybuf> check the staging directory when compiling it? see if the patch applied
14:04 < puffybuf> I just use mpv for all my video files. Works on wayland even
14:06 < ivdsangen> the diffs posted to the list usually apply to the ports tree itself and should not be placed inside patches/ directory of the port, you can usually use the patch(1) program to apply the patch to the ports tree (or a copy of a part of the tree under mystuff/)
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14:07 < ivdsangen> when using patch, you can check if it applies with -C
14:07 < usagi_mimi> I'll check patch(1) documentation thanks. I'm using mpv and videos are just broken for most every codec due to libplacebo bug in -current.
14:07 < usagi_mimi> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=176267616618553&w=2  I want to apply this patch
14:09 < IcePic> "patch -C < some.diff" is nice
14:09 < IcePic> making sure it applies fine before trying and screwing up half of the files
14:10 < ivdsangen> yes, and patch -R < some.diff to back out again
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14:10 < usagi_mimi> Oh it's commited already. How long does it usually take before the fixed bin appears on -current?
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14:11 < usagi_mimi> I haven't touched this system in months so I just updated everything as normal. All is working fine but my yt-dlp/mpv and videos in web browser.
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14:22 < IcePic> usagi_mimi: for x86_64 about a day or so
14:22 < usagi_mimi> Thanks I'll just wait then 
14:23 < usagi_mimi> Are you guys using got? I've been wondering how is compares to git. 
14:23 < IcePic> I'm slowly getting to use it
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14:24 < IcePic> its "cvs with better database" more or less, so while git is the ultimate collaboration tool with a crappy interface, got works better for small teams or single devs (in my opinion) while still retaining git-repo compatibility.
14:24 < IcePic> then again, I tended to like subversion in its time
14:25 < usagi_mimi> Is the plan to switch over to got for all development in OpenBSD once it's finished?
14:25 < IcePic> that I do not know, but I get the feeling that if git was the destination, the move would have been done by now
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14:27 < IcePic> I think stsp and friends code to make got as good as possible, for a tool that mostly mimics cvs/svn usage with repos and checkouts, but if it will sway the whole dev team or not is hard to predict
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14:27 < puffybuf> You can use the snapshot packages with -D snapshot  , I guess those are newer?
14:27 < usagi_mimi> Oh right I forgot about snapshots I only use them when it's required.
14:28 < IcePic> puffybuf: if one intends to run snapshot packages, you should be on snapshots-or-current that is somewhat recently updated. 
14:28 < IcePic> you will get weird errors if you mix snap packages on release systems
14:28 < IcePic> and some non-weird errors like "missing libc.so.<some-number>" when the package needs something more recent than what you have
14:28 < puffybuf> you wouldn't even be able to install them on release, the lib versions would block it
14:29 < usagi_mimi> IcePic: I hope it does sway them when it's eventually ready and git is no longer required for basic stuff. A more user friendly git would be very nice. I've been using git for a long time now and I still discover new things in it all of the time. It's frustrating to work with sometimes.
14:29 < IcePic> I work with git too and miss the "old times"
14:30 < usagi_mimi> My main worry with git is the fact that a lot of stuff is now behind a log-in wall. I hate having to maintain a github account.
14:30 < IcePic> it does fancy things, and that is probably nice if you are handling repos like KDE, Samba or Linux. I, on the other hand, am not handling repos of that size and complexity
14:30 < puffybuf> 'got' will eventually be in base
14:30 < puffybuf> ... I'm predicting it now years ahead
14:30 < IcePic> puffybuf: the interesting part is if it gets used for the main obsd development
14:30 < usagi_mimi> I feel like even with a complex/large repo most of the things git can do would be frustrating.
14:31 < TommyC> In what way?
14:31 < usagi_mimi> There are a lot of foot guns
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14:32 < IcePic> as for the git client, there was some simplicity in having a checkout (or many) and if you screwed it up, you checkout a new one and restart, instead of trying to dig up a stashed commit, in the middle of an unmerged branch which you need to fastforward and then ..
14:33 < usagi_mimi> Yeah I just start over with stuff I manage with git all of the time
14:33 < IcePic> there are a lot of concepts in git for which you can feel like you got into a one-way road block and there is a magic set of 12 commands that you could possibly find if you google for a long while
14:34 < usagi_mimi> I hate having to rely on google for things like that. It's like they added a bunch of features then didn't tell anyone about them. 
14:34 < usagi_mimi> For basic checkout it's not bad but when working with others...
14:34 < phy1729> (There's also a #git channel for when you're stuck)
14:35 < thrig> there's also xkcd://1597
14:35 < IcePic> and then some simple mistakes I do, like "checkout project noone ever ran on obsd", then I try to build it, and have to edit Makefile a bit, then linking says they used sprintf or strlen so I fixup a few more lines of the code, then people on GH don't know what to make of a diff, so in order to send it upstream, I have to get back to the gh-project, fork it, make a new checkout (or do trix with resetting 
14:35 < IcePic> the upstream), then commit to it and then make a pr from my gh to theirs
14:36 < phy1729> thrig: re alt text: sticky notes
14:36 < IcePic> for some reason it ends up in doing a lot of steps to present it as .. a diff except its named PR on the GH web
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14:37 < usagi_mimi> I'm wonder if something akin to github will be provided for things like ports if obsd eventually includes got in base.
14:37 < phy1729> IcePic: git remote rename origin upstream; git remote add origin git@github.com:you/repo.git
14:37 < IcePic> phy1729: sure, I just don't have those commands stashed in my memory, and I still need to go back and fork it
14:38 < usagi_mimi> An 'openhub' would be very nice I would donate what I could to get something like that online.
14:38 < TommyC> It seems like a lot of these complaints could be applied to learning anything new (git or otherwise).
14:38 < IcePic> TommyC: absolutely
14:39 < usagi_mimi> TommyC: sure I'm not really complaining I'm just saying there is so much obscure stuff within git that I still discover new things after using it for years. I just wish the interface was more simple and more importantly documented.
14:39 < phy1729> IcePic: no no stash is a different subcommand ;)  one could quibble the issue isn't with git but with the expectations that have arisen around github usage
14:39 < IcePic> TommyC: I complain when linux changes ifconfig to "ip", netstat to "ss" and so on too
14:40 < IcePic> phy1729: sure, but for MANY, git ~= GH
14:40 < phy1729> sadly yes
14:41 < usagi_mimi> Do you all run obsd desktop?
14:41 < IcePic> no, not as much. Lots and lots of networked and headless obsd boxes
14:41 < usagi_mimi> I've been using it on my laptop for about a year now and I really like it. 
14:42 < IcePic> and when I do, its twm. Don'y know if that is a desktop or just "something that fits multiple xterms"
14:42 < usagi_mimi> Yeah I figured a lot of people were using it for things like that. I also run it on my home server and as a firewall.
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14:42 < usagi_mimi> My desktop is dwm because that's what I was using before I switched over. I'm going to try to switch to one in the base system when I have the time to configure it properly.
14:43 < usagi_mimi> I basically just run a browser and emacs.
14:43 < usagi_mimi> I was using EXWM for awhile but I had to give it up due to my need for a modern browser. They don't play well together.
14:44 < usagi_mimi> Anyway thank you all. I don't want to fill the channel with stuff that I assume should be in #openbsd-social
14:45 < usagi_mimi> Also thanks for mg. I really like it. 
14:46 < phy1729> (I'd mostly hope that channel stops existing; things mostly OpenBSD related are fine. Just try not to be negative of other projects or conspirtorial.)
14:46 < usagi_mimi> We can't talk about the shadow developers conspiring to take over the openbsd project? 
14:46 < usagi_mimi> :)
14:47 < usagi_mimi> While I'm here is anyone using cwm as their desktop? I'm thinking about trying it.
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15:22 < humm> usagi_mimi: yes, I’m using cwm
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23:34 < rnkn> big thanks to everyone who advised me getting my Mojolicious web app (unprivileged user) to edit/chown files on disk. got it all working now with a segregated helper script (as root) :D
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23:46 < ssm_> I'm confused on packet direction in pf (and all firewalls). say I'm relaying smtp through wg0 from behind nat, would I pass in, out, or both on egress (vps side) once the smtp server sends the envelope to the default gateway (egress)? I tried switch to just passing in, but that doesn't seem to work, but ultimately I can't figure out why it wouldn't. as I understand it, once pass state is established, it 
23:46 < ssm_> should go through on the interface but it doesn't unless I have an 'out' rule.
23:48 < Bradipo> So you would need a pass in on wg0 to permit the SMTP traffic.  But that doesn't do anything for letting the SMTP traffic go out.
23:48 < Bradipo> Also, I assume you're passing out on egress with nat?
23:49 < Bradipo> That way the outgoing SMTP traffic appears to come from your firewall and not whatever is behind the wg0 interface, right?
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23:53 < ssm_> hmm no I'm not, so you're saying I should do something like `pass out on wg0 from $wg_user nat-to egress port submission`
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23:56 < Bradipo> Which IP do you want to NAT?
23:57 < ssm_> my roadwarrior's src behind wireguard?
23:58 < ssm_> vps wg addr is 10.0.1.1, roadwarrion is 10.0.1.2, nat 10.0.1.2 to vps egress
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