--- Log opened Wed Nov 12 00:00:10 2025
00:01 < dg> the out will be on the egress interface, so you probably want "pass out on egress"... in that case
00:03 < dg> although it might be better with multiple rules, a rule to "pass in on wg0 from $wg_user proto tcp to any port submission", then have a rule like "pass out on egress from $wg_user nat-to egress"
00:03 < dg> i.e. if the firewall allows traffic from $wg_user, nat it, then have rules on the inbound deciding what's allowed
00:04 < ssm_> if I'm correct, binat lets packets coming in on my interface to see what's running on roadwarrior? which if true would be useful for uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nfs?
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00:05 < ssm_> s/see what.s running/use ports/
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00:06 < dg> i'm not sure why you'd want to use nfs over the internet
00:06 < ssm_> wireguard
00:06 < ssm_> which is the internet, I suppose. I use it to mount my mbox dir
00:06 < dg> but if it's within a wireguard network there's no need for any nat
00:07 < dg> you can just talk between the internal IPs fine
00:07 < ssm_> yeah you're right
00:07 < ssm_> dang what the heck do you use binat for then
00:09 < dg> I've seen it used for things like if two companies merge and they shared some internal IP space
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00:28 < asji_> Question: is any alternative to "ssh-copy-id" in obsd? 
00:29 < asji_> ±
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00:30 < fro> yeah don't stay for an answer or anything
00:31 < gman999> it was a painful 45 seconds....
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00:38 < rnkn> I can't seem to get my rc daemon's rc_check to work https://paste.sr.ht/blob/de8c735151f15e2706f31b6dc66216a234ddf549
00:39 < rnkn> the pgrep works on the command line:
00:39 < rnkn> pgrep -T0 -q -xf "perl /usr/local/www/bliptown/script/bliptown_helper"
00:39 < rnkn> surely they're identical
00:39 < rnkn> but alas, doas rcctl check bliptown_helper returns 1
00:40 < dg> run rcctl with -d?
00:41 < rnkn> nothing much to tell https://paste.sr.ht/blob/54d2e37514b7f64e71984db23cf667b7b447c875
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00:46 < dg> are you sure it's "perl ${daemon}" or "/usr/bin/perl ${daemon}"
00:47 < rnkn> in ps -aux it's just perl, but just tried and rc_check failed
00:47 < rnkn> (just tried /usr/bin/perl that is)
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00:48 < rnkn> I've checked the routing table and everything is running on 0
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00:49 < rnkn> I've also tried removing "rc_bg=YES"
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00:52 < thrig> man perlipc  talks about daemonizing a perl process
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00:56 < rnkn> had a quick look at perlipc section on daemons but it doesn't seem applicable to this helper script. it's a fairly simple script.
00:56 < rnkn> if interested https://paste.sr.ht/~rnkn/4106a35278725b6f5b3640e33c7066825f2f4885
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00:59 < rnkn> given the rc_check() pgrep line works on the command line but not via rcctl it's gotta be something amiss with the rc script surely
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01:04 < pardis> invoking '/bin/ksh -x /etc/rc.d/whatever' can be helpful in such cases
01:05 < rnkn> huh, okay I think I found the culprit... /var/run/rc.d/bliptown_helper has /usr/bin/perl as the pexp; deleted that and restarted, now rc_check works :D
01:05 < rnkn> s/has/had/
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01:06 < rnkn> maybe rc.subr only deletes the /var/run file if rc_check returns 0 before stopping the process? i.e. if the pexp doesn't match it thinks the process has stopped and so doesn't remove the runfile
01:06  * rnkn speculates
01:10 < rnkn> if there are any guns at perl & security, any feedback/critique on that last paste would be much appeciated (since it runs as root)
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01:34 < thrig> /tmp is a terrible place for a socket, usually
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01:46 < dg> i'd be more concerned with accepting Storable data from an untrusted source
01:47 < dg> given the man page says not to do thaat
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01:53 < dg> there's also a TOUTOC issue in calling safe_file() then using open(), it would be possible (although hard) to replace that file with a symlink elsewhere
01:57 < rnkn> thrig: noted
01:58 < rnkn> dg: what makes it untrusted? the socket should only be rw by root and the webserver group
01:58 < dg> well anything crossing a security boundary is usually considered untrusted
01:59 < rnkn> how should I make it trustworthy?
02:00 < rnkn> I thought the socket ownership/perms would be enough 
02:00 < dg> I'd just use json, the issue is if you pass a blessed object or such over storable it can revive it on the other end, including running destructors
02:00 < dg> (similar to how e.g. YAML can be attacked)
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02:03 < rnkn> okay cool
02:04 < rnkn> I kinda don’t wanna use json because I think it’s ugly
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02:04 < rnkn> so I will have to think more about ensuring no blessed objects can pass
02:05 < rnkn> and move the socket into /run
02:05 < dg> Data::MessagePack or CBOR are maybe slightly more reasonable formats (although I haven't done CBOR in perl, not sure what the libraries are like)
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02:06 < rnkn> as in replace Storable?
02:06 < dg> yes, Data::MessagePack::Stream maybe
02:07 < rnkn> damn I thought Storable was an elegant solution 
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02:08 < dg> I mean, yes, but unfortunately Storable is an old format and has this: https://perldoc.perl.org/Storable#SECURITY-WARNING
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02:09 < thrig> Sereal is more recent
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02:10 < rnkn> ouch
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02:13 < rnkn> the data in this case is sufficiently simple so I should probably go with MessagePack
02:13 < rnkn> did I mention I dislike json?
02:13  * afresh1 likes JSON, but mostly because JSON::PP is in core
02:14 < rnkn> > The MessagePack format saves memory than JSON and Storable format.
02:14 < rnkn> oh I like that ^
02:15 < afresh1> are you memory constrained? :-P
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02:17 < rnkn> not really, I just like minimalist stuff
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02:17 < rnkn> (despite using Mojolicious for this project)
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02:17 < afresh1> I mean, Mojo is minimal compared to say Catalyst :-D
02:19 < pardis> messagepack is "minimalist" compared to json in the same sense that xz is "minimalist" compared to gzip
02:19 < pardis> saves space on the wire at the cost of being more complicated to handle
02:21 < pardis> given the amount of work going into just getting this service running, I would think the total lack of human-readability would be a serious hindrance for debugging
02:21 < afresh1> couple of comments on that paste.  Should probably check success of getgrnam.  You should not trust $@ to be _unset_ if nothing goes wrong.  Instead do `my $success = eval {...}; unless ($success) { warn; }` (warn prints out $@ by default)
02:22 < thrig> eval { ...; 1 };
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02:22 < afresh1> thrig: oh, yes.  that
02:22 < rnkn> okay brilliant, thankyou 
02:23 < rnkn> pardis: you reckon json?
02:24 < pardis> I would always choose json over msgpack unless there are very good reasons not to
02:24 < rnkn> personal aesthetics?
02:25 < pardis> such as, for example, if your code needs to run on a Mars rover and you are competing with 50 other teams for limited bandwidth in a transmission window
02:28 < oldlaptop> doesn't Google's "protobuf" stuff have a knob you can turn between "human-readable" and "super-compact ultra-optimized binary"?
02:28 < oldlaptop> (which might be cool, but is definitely not "minimalist")
02:29 < dg> oldlaptop: no, there's a text representation used in debugging and so on, but it isn't interchangable on the wire
02:29 < oldlaptop> That's more or less what I mean.
02:31 < dg> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8949#name-diagnostic-notation cbor has similar
02:32 < oldlaptop> It can't actually transmit the text on the wire at all?
02:32 < oldlaptop> even if I twiddle the knob at both ends and gladly accept both of my pieces when it breaks?
02:33  * oldlaptop thought it could transmit the text on the wire
02:33 < dg> I mean, if you write some code I'm sure you could make it happen
02:35  * oldlaptop grumbles indistinctly and goes back to using json for such things
02:37 < rnkn> dg: why Data::MessagePack::Stream instead of Data::MessagePack?
02:39 < dg> Data::MessagePack's docs say that
02:41  * rnkn 's face goes red
02:42 < dg> btw, another comment on that paste:
02:42 < dg> perl -MO=Deparse,-p -e'rename($safe_file, $safe_new_name) if -f $safe_file || die "Cannot rename file: $file ($!)";'
02:42 < dg> postfix if does not behave how you think it does
02:42 < dg> this command makes perl parse it and add parens so you can see how it parsed it
02:43 < dg> I'd also maybe consider autodie for this given you catch errors
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03:08 < rnkn> dg: thankyou thankyou, I thought that might be wrong
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03:12 < rnkn> split it into two
03:13 < rnkn> helper mkII https://paste.sr.ht/~rnkn/5942c799c901fda73369ba6ed0f48fadb8fc89f6
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03:14 < rnkn> I like the neatness of specifying the paths to use lib as relative, despite knowing it will create errors if the script is started from some other directory. is there a nice way to control for that?
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03:29 < dg> https://perldoc.perl.org/FindBin
03:32 < rnkn> hmm Data::MessagePack seems to require cmake and g++, which doesn't seem very minimal
03:32 < rnkn> dg: thx
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05:32 < rnkn> > nginx: [emerg] variables in "ssl_certificate" and "ssl_certificate_key" directives are not supported on this platform
05:32 < rnkn> well that fkn sucks
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05:35 < rnkn> oh man, I think this might be a showstopped
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05:39 < rnkn> does that mean there is no way to do variables in ssl certs on openbsd at all?
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06:02 < dg> "at all" is a bit strong, libressl doesn't support that function (https://github.com/libressl/portable/issues/534)
06:03 < dg> potentially something like caddy could work for you
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06:09 < rnkn> caddy is too shiny. not my style.
06:10 < rnkn> I think I may have a solution... have the helper script manage a list of "keypair example.com" and include those in relayd.conf
06:11 < dg> I have similar for acme-client + haproxy, it's a shell script that writes a haproxy crt-list file
06:11 < rnkn> I'm glad you didn't immediately say this is a security problem
06:11 < dg> ;)
06:11 < rnkn> haha
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06:13 < rnkn> so if relayd is handling SSL termination, I'm still gonna need to provide the responses to /.well-known... wondering whether to do this straight with the Mojolicious app or direct these to httpd
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06:16 < rnkn> something simple like https://termbin.com/7h6p
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06:17 < rnkn> and if I'm reading relayd.conf(5) correctly, relayd can be controlled via socket but only communicates via TCP port?
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06:59 < rkta> Since my last upgrade the daily insecurity reports complains about a lot of 'Disk /dev/X is user root, group wheel, permissions brw-r-----.' How do I fix this?
07:01 < sonya> rkta, could you termbin the example ?
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07:02 < rkta> sonya: http://rkta.de/pub/insec
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07:04 < zelest> rkta, The group should be operator, not wheel.
07:04 < sonya> rkta, ^^
07:05 < rkta> I wonder why it is wheel, I did not change it manually...
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07:05 < sonya> to fix, i guess, as root: # cd /dev/ && sh MAKEDEV all
07:06 < rkta> Still some :wheel files left after this, though
07:07 < zelest> Some devs should be wheel, but not the block devices
07:07 < IcePic> sonyas line is good, it would fixup any other yet unknown ownership errors
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07:08 < zelest> Also, see check_disks() in /usr/libexec/security :)
07:11 < rkta> I refuse to manually match that regex this early in the morning :)
07:13 < IcePic> "Free the mallocs! Match the regexes!"
07:16 < zelest> :D
07:16 < zelest> I love the smell of regex in the morning!
07:18 < rkta> btw, can I suppress some warnings in this report? Login anonymous without a password is on purpose. I don't need a daily reminder.
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07:21 < zelest> Yes, check PASSWDSKIP in security(8)
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07:34 < IcePic> the answer came so fast, I think zelests boxes are all pwless for anonymous logins
07:35 < rkta> Nice. What about the report that login 'got' is off, but has alternate access files? That's also on purpose.
07:36 < IcePic> I get similar on my anoncvs box, and I still like to get those daily reports. At least if someone adds a new pwless account, I would hopefully notice
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07:38 < rkta> I also want to have that warnings. But I'd like to say 'it is ok' in same cases.
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07:39 < rkta> OTOH, if someone manages to add a pwless login, they are likely able to add it to PASSWDSKIP.
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07:41 < IcePic> wasn't explicitly thinking of someone being root and running stuff but more like a package/port adding some shady account or so
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07:41 < IcePic> I expect all the persistent-threat-actors to be more clever than security(8) =)
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07:55  * fart_cat hacks your PASSWDSKIP and improves your INFOSEC policies
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08:11 < IcePic> export INFOSEC=very_secure
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10:17 < naoki> is arm64 7.8 install78.img broken? I got "booting sd0a:/bsd: sd0a:/bsd: Inappropriate file type or format"
10:17 < naoki> snapshot works
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10:30 < IcePic> is the disk with install78.img on it the device named "sd0" ?
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11:59 < naoki> IcePic: https://gist.github.com/RadxaNaoki/fda1597abe311d8ead8f7e0e77b749f7
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12:38 < k0ga> -/win 7
12:38 < k0ga> ups
12:45 < sibiria> <esc> 7
12:47 < zelest> <alt> 7
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13:35 < lts-> Ooh fixes for /usr running out of space during upgrade https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20251112121631
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13:44 < quinq> nice!
13:44 < quinq> But “If "df /usr" says the filesystem is over 90% full”
13:45 < quinq> 90% is high ok, but... It's completely subjective to the actual size
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15:08 < naoki> Does anyone try amdgpu on arm64? On Radxa Orion O6, kernel freezes just before mounting rootfs. Workaround is disabling amdgpu and azalia.
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16:05 < quinq> Can I nuke /usr/share/relink/ before a sysupgrade for gaining space? :D
16:07 < Bradipo> If you don't have enough space in /usr you should increase the size of /usr.
16:07 < Bradipo> I know that doesn't answer your question, but I don't know if it's advisable to delete /usr/share/relink
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16:13 < IcePic> in my old tests, wiping it made the kernel and libs relink not-work
16:13 < quinq> I already did it, just had to extract it from the base tarballs again
16:13 < quinq> IIRC ^^
16:13 < IcePic> now, it may have gotten better, but removing the /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC*/*.o files does work, but wiping all seemed to remove makefiles or things needed for the next-boot relink
16:14 < IcePic> the computer will boot, just not with as much random linkage
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16:18 < quinq> Yeah but it should be reinstalled part of the upgrade anyway
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16:26 < ssm_> i was nuking /usr/share/relink before it was cool; now it's officially supported
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16:50 < vortexx> that person may not be in here anymore but I'd be surprised if amdgpu works on arm64
16:52 < quinq> ssm_ :)
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17:59 < markmcb> Anyone using syncthing on 7.8 with an rpi5? I get a panic shortly after starting the service. Haven't been able to find anything online, so it could just be me.
18:03 < markmcb> the error is "panic: netlock rwlock: exit write when lock not held"
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19:48 < markmcb> details here: https://forum.syncthing.net/t/openbsd-7-8-arm64-rpi5-panics-on-st-start/25660
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21:32 < asji> Hello. To add more memory to some application (database daemon) I need to edit the /etc/login.conf file. In what section I need to increment the values? in the default\: ? 
21:33 < asji> or in daemon\: ? 
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21:34 < Bradipo> If those limits are being imposed by login.conf, then yes.
21:35 < vortexx> looking at the pkg-readme for postgresql, it's class daemon.
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21:39 < asji> Bradipo: the limits are part of database warning, that say that 128 is too low and the recommended is 6400 
21:40 < asji> I am just following some tutorial, 
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21:57 < uwharrie> what does the tutorial say to do?
22:00 < asji> uwharrie: the tutorial say that I need to add some values to the "staff" group in login.conf file, and add some other values in sysctl.conf. The tutorial expect chromium usage, but I just wish to a database. In any case, the tutorial make reference of another one, that explain how to calculate the values, based on the RAM we have. 
22:02 < uwharrie> not sure what good's going to come from messing with sysctls, and that advice is unlikely to help postgres
22:03 < uwharrie> outside of the ones called out in the pkg-readme
22:03 < asji> Hmm... you are just saying that, the tutorial is not pointing me to the answer..
22:05 < uwharrie> yes
22:06 < asji> but the login.conf is part of it, not the sysctl.conf file values. Oh my.. I forgot what directory this files are.. any recomendation of pkg-readme files location? 
22:07 < uwharrie> /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/ 
22:08 < uwharrie> or see https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/ports/databases/postgresql/pkg/README-server?rev=1.37&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup and https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/ports/databases/postgresql/pkg/postgresql.login?rev=1.3&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup and https://man.openbsd.org/login.conf
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22:12 < asji> uwharrie: I cannot "click" links, but is not postgresql.. anyway, the file description speak about "which values I should increment" in sysctl.conf and which values I need to append to login.conf. Nothing specific for the database in case, just a global description
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22:16 < uwharrie> you should still be able to review the readme file which would point you to the correct login.conf.d file and login.conf(5)
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22:22 < asji> big reading i see
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23:25 < asji> how does a user "loose" the ability to ssh into a system, without setting up that rule? 
23:25 < Bradipo> You mean "lose"?
23:25 < asji> yes lose
23:26 < Bradipo> How did you lose access?
23:26 < Bradipo> And are you sure you had access in the first place?
23:26 < asji> I don't know.. that is why I ask.. the user cannot login, or viA SSH or via keyword and machine 
23:26 < Bradipo> How do you know the user cannot login?
23:27 < asji> because is in my local network and I try both methods.. ssh and with keyword directly in the machine in cause
23:28 < asji> root is able to login.. that user not.. in any way.. always refusing (welcome) -> Login
23:28 < asji> via ssh ( connection refused ) 
23:28 < asji> using other user: login works.. 
23:28 < Bradipo> So you're saying that if you try to login as root it works, but if you try a different user, you get "connection refused" ?
23:29 < asji> yes
23:29 < Bradipo> I'm not sure I believe that...
23:29 < Bradipo> "connection refused" usually means that there is no daemon listening on the port (in this case 22).
23:29 < asji> should I create a video and send it ? :D
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23:30 < asji> it ask password.. but aFTER pass I get connection refused
23:30 < asji> the daemon is working fine.. else I couldn't not ssh with rootr
23:30 < Bradipo> Well, then the question becomes, what is reporting "connection refused".
23:31 < Bradipo> Because it's not possible to get a connection *AND* have "connection refused" on the same port.
23:31 < Bradipo> Try: telnet host 22
23:31 < Bradipo> Does it connect?
23:31 < asji> <connection refused> 
23:32 < asji> wait.. the port .. 
23:32 < Bradipo> Well, I don't believe that this host is the same host you used for both users...
23:32 < asji> yes is there.. SSH-2.0
23:34 < asji> after that, what ever I write say: invalid ssh identification string \n connection closed by foreign host
23:34 < Bradipo> Well, sure, you don't know how to talk the SSH protocol over port 22 do you?
23:34 < asji> no
23:34 < Bradipo> So it's no surprise that you get, "invalid ssh identification string".
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23:35 < asji> Cool! but the question still the same.. what could forbid login permissions to that user? 
23:35 < Bradipo> Well, that's a different question than "connection refused".
23:35 < Bradipo> Are you saying now that you no longer get "connection refused"?
23:35 < asji> is part of it :)) 
23:36 < asji> I still get the same error
23:36 < Bradipo> So you try to login as one user and the password is rejected?
23:36 < Bradipo> Because before you said that it would ask a password and then return connection refused.
23:37 < asji> yes.. something is rejected, because if I try to use some random name.. I can keep trying without being disconnected.
23:37 < Bradipo> What version of OpenBSD/OpenSSH?
23:38 < asji> so my user can be "asji" and when I try I get connection refused and I am disconnected. If I try ssh with Bradipo@host I can fail passwords and I am not disconnected. 
23:38 < asji> 7.8
23:38 < fro> heh
23:38 < Bradipo> I don't recall which release included the new feature...
23:38 < Bradipo> Perhaps you're running into: https://man.openbsd.org/sshd_config#PerSourcePenalties
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23:40 < asji> that #PerSourcePenalties is not in man pages.. only in obsd site? I cannot find /PerSourcePenalties in man page
23:40 < Bradipo> It should be in the man page.
23:40 < asji> with some other word.. not that one
23:41 < Bradipo> Then your man pages are out of date...
23:41 < thrig> man -akO tag=PerSourcePenalties any=PerSourcePenalties
23:41 < Bradipo> https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-7.8/sshd_config#PerSourcePenalties
23:41 < c0co> sshd_config(5)
23:41 < Bradipo> That's the OpenBSD-7.8 version of the man page.
23:41 < asji> what do you mean, is outdate? 
23:41 < Bradipo> If you type: man sshd_config and you *don't* see PerSourcePenalties, then your man pages are out of date.
23:41 < asji> no updates for syspatch 
23:42 < Bradipo> syspatch doesn't update man pages.
23:42 < Bradipo> At least I've not known it to do so.
23:42 < asji> Bradipo: yes... I cannot see .. so how can I update the man pageS? 
23:42 < Bradipo> Did you try what thrig suggested?
23:43 < asji> oj.. with that sequence I can find it.. sadly it doesn't say, from what man page is part ofd 
23:44 < c0co> sshd_config(5)
23:44 < Bradipo> It does say.
23:44 < Bradipo> Press 1G
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23:44 < Bradipo> It will take you to the top of the man page and you can see what man page it comes from.
23:44 < Bradipo> That's "one" followed by "shift g"
23:45 < humm> Bradipo: my less supports g
23:45 < asji> sshd_config(5) ... this is strange.. why I could not find it using / .. 
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23:45 < Bradipo> humm: Never used it.
23:46 < Bradipo> That just goes to show that one can always learn new things about *nix... lol.
23:46 < Bradipo> g goes to top, G goes to bottom, nice.
23:46 < Bradipo> asji: I have no idea why / didn't work for you, it works for me.
23:46 < asji> vi things.. I am aware.. but /PerSource find no results. 
23:47 < Bradipo> And /PerSource finds it for me too.
23:47 < Bradipo> You aren't typing //PerSource are you?
23:48 < Bradipo> e.g. the first / will enable searching, but if you type another / obviously there won't be "/PerSource" in the man page.
23:48 < c0co> and I
23:48 < asji> AH Now I got IT .. I was using "man sshd_config" not "man 5 sshd_config" ( different results
23:48 < Bradipo> They shouldn't give you different results.
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23:48 < asji> but I get different results :) 
23:48 < Bradipo> man sshd_config should bring up sshd_config(5) automatically.
23:49 < Bradipo> What is different?
23:49 < Bradipo> Sounds like you may have a rogue sshd_config on there?
23:49 < Bradipo> man sshd_config on my OpenBSD system brings up sshd_config(5).
23:49 < asji> The difference is in the results.. with the first I don't find String.. with the second I find string
23:50 < Bradipo> But that can only be possible if they are *different* man pages.
23:50 < Bradipo> So either you have a rogue sshd_config installed somewhere, or you're missing something critical in your description.
23:50 < asji> make sense to me, but that is the result I have.. not my choice of having different results
23:50 < Bradipo> man sshd_config and man 5 sshd_config should bring up the exact same man page.
23:51 < Bradipo> asji: It's your choice to understand or not though. ;-)
23:51 < asji> so there is a strange bug that I cannot report because I don't understand it :) 
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23:51 < Bradipo> When you type: "man sshd_config" what is the first line of the man page (at the top)?
23:53 < asji> well, in fact I don't find the /stringPerSource in both examples.. 
23:53 < asji> SSH_CONFIG(5) .. yeah.. make sense
23:53 < Bradipo> Ok, so they are the same.
23:54 < Bradipo> Now exactly what are you typing in the man page to search for "PerSource" ?
23:54 < asji> they look the same but the / is not working as expected
23:54 < Bradipo> Do you have PAGER defined?
23:55 < asji> hmm.. I guess not because I didn't define nothing is at it's best as default
23:55 < Bradipo> Right, by default PAGER is not set.
23:55 < Bradipo> I'm just trying to eliminate possible causes.
23:56 < asji> Or Maybe I thing what can be.. something strange is in Tmux .. when I try to same in a new terminal without using tmux, I can search using /
23:56 < Bradipo> So what are you typing into the man page (which should be viewed by less) that results in not finding "PerSource"?
23:56 < Bradipo> Are you entering vi mode by pressing 'v' first?
23:56 < c0co> Bradipo I believe you might be a masochist
23:56 < Bradipo> lol
23:56  * TommyC agrees
23:57 < Bradipo> I'm no masochist, for sure.
23:57 < asji> c0co: LoL 
23:57 < TommyC> From my perspective, they keep moving the goal post on you and you keep chasing.
23:57 < Bradipo> I don't think so.
23:58 < asji> believe in what you wish to .. Believe Freedom! Good Good! .. anyway, / works without tmux
23:58 < Bradipo> We have established that asji is in fact looking at the right man page.
23:58 < TommyC> Sure, but: "man sshd_config and man 5 sshd_config are different!" "the / is not working" "it's not working when I use tmux" ...
23:58 < Bradipo> Could be.
23:58 < Bradipo> Don't use tmux.
23:58 < thrig> anyways a little wrapper script is https://thrig.me/tmp/manfor.txt
23:59 < TommyC> You see how it looks like they're moving the goal post? Almost seems like a method to intentionally waste your time. Some would call it... "trolling."
23:59 < Bradipo> asji: What do you have to say for this accusation?
23:59 < TommyC> It's not an accusation, just an observation.
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