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--- Day changed Thu Nov 13 2025
00:00 < Bradipo> Ok, sorry, didn't mean to twist the meaning.
00:00 < asji> Guilty I am Guilty for all bads I done.. ( not Christ that pay for the bad he didn't ) .. anyway.. this is not really helping me to solve the ssh/login problem. 
00:00 < Bradipo> asji: Have you figured out why your connection is being refused yet?
00:00 < c0co> lol
00:00 < fro> what
00:01 < asji> Bradipo: no.. is a fresh install that "abuse" was not made by me
00:01 < Bradipo> asji: The point about looking at PerSourcePenalties is that it *could* describe why you're connections are not working.
00:01 < asji> doesn't make sense.. could be if the ssh server was public.. but not the case.l
00:01 < fro> i don't think this is going anywhere
00:02 < c0co> that's not true fro
00:02 < c0co> it's definitely going somewhere
00:02 < c0co> just nowhere that braincells can survive 
00:02 < asji> fro.. that is the point of being behind a computer.. stay in somewhere.. not go
00:02 < Bradipo> asji: Stick to the task.
00:02 < fro> also if it's a fresh install, just reinstall
00:02 < fro> start over
00:02 < fro> problem solved
00:02 < fro> NEXT
00:03 < Bradipo> I believe asji stated that no changes were made...
00:03 < asji> fro.. can be.. but I wish to learn.. 
00:03 < Bradipo> asji: Did you change anything with sshd_config?  Or pf.conf?
00:03 < c0co> oh no I'm taking the bait but
00:03 < Bradipo> How "fresh" is your install?
00:04 < c0co> If you've been using tmux, have you connected many times via ssh as that account? you might have so many ssh sessions open in bg tmux frames that you can't add any more lol
00:04 < c0co> restart the computer you are working from lol
00:04 < Bradipo> Yes, please reboot and see if the problem goes away.
00:05 < asji> The problem continues.. if reboot was the fix of problems, I would be a master .. I already reboot several times.. login via keyword or ssh for that user is lost.
00:06 < c0co> reboot from your computer, not the host you're 
00:06 < c0co> wait
00:06 < c0co> are you trying to ssh to the computer you're already on
00:06 < Bradipo> reboot the system that has sshd running which is rejecting your logins.
00:06 < asji> c0co: LoL No.. but that could be possible without any problem
00:06 < Bradipo> c0co: I thought you weren't going to be sucked into this. ;-)
00:06 < c0co> No I said i *was* taking the bait
00:07 < Bradipo> Oh.
00:07 < c0co> reboot both your computer (client) and the target host (the openbsd system you can't ssh into)
00:07 < asji> guys, something else did happen.. now, what ever happen, is in some logs ?»? 
00:07 < Bradipo> Unlikely.
00:07 < Bradipo> sshd doesn't log much by default.
00:08 < asji> The Login User
00:08 < Bradipo> You could look at /var/log/authlog
00:08 < asji> the Permissions
00:08 < c0co> /var/log/authlog
00:08 < fro> lol
00:08 < c0co> (on the host you're trying to connect to)
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00:09 < asji> Cool!! Thank You.. I don't understand the error but probably you do: Error: mm_reap: child terminated by signal 11
00:10 < Bradipo> This is 7.8?  What architecture?
00:10 < asji> amd64
00:11 < asji> what the heck that error means? 
00:11 < Bradipo> So it crashed?
00:11 < asji> No crash.. just reboot 
00:11 < Bradipo> Well, signal 11 is a crash.
00:11 < asji> a crash in what? in ssh? but I can login with root without crash signal
00:12 < emmanuelux> hello is vmm is far for being multithreading ?
00:12 < Bradipo> Where did you find that error message?
00:12 < asji> Bradipo: /var/log/authlog
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00:13 < Bradipo> And your /etc/ssh/sshd_config is default values?
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00:14 < asji> no fully defaults (permit root yes) .. that is what did change.. 
00:15 < asji> at least I could do that.. else I need to walk some meters to configure with keyboard
00:15 < Bradipo> Sure, of course you want to use SSH.
00:16 < Bradipo> Better to restrict root over SSH to using SSH keys.
00:16 < c0co> better to not permit root over SSH at all, and use SSH keys for the user
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00:16 < asji> look.. I know all this steps for security.. but the obsd is in the internal network.. the only person that connects is me.. not even outside scans he gets
00:17 < Bradipo> Then why did you feel like you need to justify the reason for using root?
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00:17 < asji> well the justification is: if I am not able to connect via ssh with a normal user.. I can with root.. (AT LEAST) 
00:18 < c0co> will you tell us more about the computer you are using and the host you are trying to connect to? are both openbsd?
00:18 < asji> and the PerSource doesn't tell me how to remove that restriction... 
00:19 < asji> yes, both 
00:19 < Bradipo> PerSourcePenalties may or may not be relevant.  I mentioned it only because it fit your symptoms.
00:19 < c0co> and what about the hardware?
00:19 < Bradipo> Only you know what's on this system (presumably because you installed it), so your task is to describe the problem in the most clear terms possible.
00:19 < asji> c0co: is not the best.. just normal computers Intel 
00:20 < asji> I try Bradipo .. I am not technical guy, so I am just facing the problems without studing about obsd or hardware 
00:21 < Bradipo> You can start by showing what command you ran and all the arguments.
00:21 < Bradipo> e.g. "ssh -l username hostname"
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00:21 < Bradipo> And then use a paste site to show the results.
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00:22 < asji> ssh user@host (as simple as that) the same with root
00:22 < Bradipo> And what is the output?
00:22 < c0co> do it with ssh -vvv 
00:23 < asji> user@host password: 1234 \n connection to hostIP closed by remote host. \n and repeats the same message ( two times the same message) 
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00:24 < c0co> are you doing this inside tmux
00:25 < asji> no c0co .. the end of message using ssh -vv user@host is: debug1: Exit status -1
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00:26 < Bradipo> Perhaps a video would be more enlightening...
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00:28 < asji> Bradipo: how to make a video in a OpenBSD system with X? 
00:28 < asji> without ()
00:28 < Bradipo> You can use ffmpeg.
00:28 < Bradipo> Oh without X...
00:28 < Bradipo> Who uses OpenBSD without X?
00:29 < Bradipo> I suppose on a headless server that has console on serial, maybe...
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00:29 < asji> Anyone who use many other Linux without X What was the WM of Unix? 
00:29 < Bradipo> And supposedly *I'm* the masochist? :-)
00:30 < c0co> lol
00:30 < asji> but the problem is in the machine that reject connections.. not in the ssh connection. So.. 
00:30 < c0co> pray to the spirit of the machine for guidance
00:30 < emmanuelux> openbsd as firewall, nfs server, mail server, http server, relayd (bastion) server etc
00:31 < Bradipo> Look we need a lot more output, real output, to even understand what you're saying.
00:31 < asji> Lol.. they say.. pray but do something.. 
00:31 < Bradipo> It's possible tmux has the ability to "snapshot" the terminal and make a hard copy.
00:31 < Bradipo> At the very least you could use tmux to copy/paste into a text file and upload that somewhere.
00:32 < Bradipo> Do you know how to use tmux' copy/paste ?
00:32 < asji> Bradipo: does obsd have something like Gentoo wgetpaste? 
00:32 < asji> with wgetpaste I can paste millions of lines in the terminal
00:33 < emmanuelux> depend on the terminal (shift + mouse click copy on tmux)
00:33 < thrig> pasting lots of lines sounds like a very bad idea
00:33 < Bradipo> You could juse use script(1)
00:33 < Bradipo> To use script(1) you just type "script" at the command line.
00:33 < Bradipo> Everything you type will be recorded.
00:33 < emmanuelux> even mouse select does work too 
00:33 < Bradipo> And then you type exit.
00:34 < Bradipo> By default it writes to a file named "typescript".
00:35 < Bradipo> You could then upload typescript to some filebin site.
00:35 < asji> looks good, but how can I add it to some pastebin platform? 
00:35 < Bradipo> You can figure out how to use IRC, but you cannot figure out how to use paste sites?
00:36 < Bradipo> You realize that IRC is ancient tech these days and people have to go out of their way to figure out that 1) it exists, and 2) how to use it.
00:36 < asji> Bradipo: I am in a damn terminal.. 
00:36 < Bradipo> w3m ?
00:36 < asji> I can use w3m yes
00:37 < emmanuelux> virtualize openbsd before production ?
00:37 < asji> but the problem is the same.. I don't know how to copy the typescript file into pastebin file.. 2
00:38 < asji> there is no copy paste option
00:39 < emmanuelux> ssh on other platform, or virtualize
00:46 < asji> I follow the recommendations that fro give.. remove user and add new user.. Problem solved. ( ssh connection sucess ) 
00:46 < asji> the problem was in the machine not in ssh
00:47 < Bradipo> How was that the problem?
00:47 < asji> what was the problem.. I guess I will never know.. something was causing that error, but only with that user. 
00:48 < asji> I am not an expert.. never happen that to me in other systems
00:48 < Bradipo> Well, a review of what you did to/with that user might reveal what happened.
00:48 < yakubin> Maybe the user’s login shell used to be a script that printed “Connection refused” and exited. :)
00:48 < Bradipo> lol
00:49 < asji> lol .. binkuya
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00:51 < asji> Bradipo: did nothing.. I just install obsd.. install database, configure ssh and reboot.. after that I walk some meters and try to login to continue .. and here we are.. 
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00:53 < asji> some mystical even did happen.. but I think that solution of creating new user is better than reinstalling.. less time wasted
00:56 < Bradipo> We're talking about computers, not mysticism... unless you think that the solar output that's currently causing the Aurora Borealis somehow flipped some bits on your disk...
00:57 < Bradipo> Yes, creating a new user is better than reinstall, but learning what happened so you don't do it again is better.
00:57 < fro> jesus take the terminal
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01:00 < asji> Bradipo: yes :) but.. my memory is not so good that I could understand what bad I did. The point is.. the problem was in the machine that was serving ssh, but was not in ssh server.
01:00 < Bradipo> You could compare the directories of the old and new user.
01:03 < Bradipo> But yes, it wasn't due to a change in configuration of SSH if that's what you're implying.
01:06 < emmanuelux> https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/1mbjf33/determining_my_openbsd_install_date/?rdt=38758 =>   is "ls -lsFTt /etc | tail -1"  reliable ?
01:08 < Bradipo> Hahah, assuming that old clutter doesn't get deleted.
01:09 < Bradipo> But what if you have done dump/restore...
01:09 < Bradipo> The files in /etc might be older than the actual install date.
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01:12 < emmanuelux> file /.cshrc seems to done the date of openbsd installation too? (else if before 2005 ?)
01:12 < emmanuelux> give*
01:13 < Bradipo> Maybe.
01:14 < emmanuelux>  i have only 2021 but I an new to openbsd (begin with covid in 2020), how I have miss it...
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09:12 < avemestr> jcs did a nice write-up on OpenBSD with a fancy cubic case some years ago: https://jcs.org/2021/07/19/desktop
09:13 < avemestr> But the just announced Steam Machine would seem to be a great (and probably cheaper) for all cubic case needs combined with OpenBSD. As Valve says "It's a PC..." and it is with AMD CPU and GPU. *fingers crossed*
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09:38 < Minall> Why limit, why not OpenBSD in the Steam Frame
09:38 < Minall> haha
09:39 < Minall> I wonder if it connects through Xorg for remote desktop. In which case, we could stream OpenBSD -> Steam Frame
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11:16 < c0co> Bradipo 100% guaranteed that guy had 30 bg tmux frames all with concurrent SSH connections to the user leading to segfault on the attempt to create a new connection 
11:20 < c0co> anyone got any suggestions on how I can start troubleshooting a non-responsive touchpad on obsd? I've identified the device in dmesg as 'ietp0 at iic1 addr 0x15 irq 51wsmouse0 at ietp0 mux 0'. I was going to start by trying to debug the interrupts but /dev/wsmouse0 is always 'device busy'
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11:26 < c0co> for context, X11 + i3. (was not working pre-i3 though. Cursor just sits in centre of screenspace, no response from touchpad presses / movement / buttons at all)
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11:30 < dg> don't run X11, then either try looking at the raw device then, or maybe try with wsmoused to see if that works to rule out X11 issues
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11:45 < IcePic> c0co: "systat vm 1" would list interrupts on the right upper corner, at least a start
11:45 < IcePic> if running X11, "xev" will list all detected events, could possibly help
11:45 < c0co> thanks very much
11:46 < c0co> ok great, from systat I see it actually is receiving interrupts
11:47 < c0co> ah, but xev isn't
11:47 < c0co> so the interrupts aren't being forwarded to x
11:48 < IcePic> well, x isn't so much into receiving ints directly, it would be the kernel that handles them and then signals X11 that wsmoused has detected some input
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11:52 < c0co> since there's absolutely no response from xev on the inputs, I guess that means it's not receiving anything from wmoused (rather than it being something like the accel values etc. being too small or something and movement not being perceptible)
11:52 < sonya> c0co, can you say a brand-model of your touchpad?
11:54 < IcePic> "man ietp" says its elantech touchpad, it also points to wscons being the driver that handles it (and where c0co possibly could/should) add debug prints
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11:56 < c0co> yeah my understanding is it's elan. I can't give an exact branding. It's part of the Dell OEM assembly for latitude 7410 chromebook; SKU 
11:56 < c0co> G1302
11:56 < c0co> but I'll confirm that by pulling off the assembly and looking at the pad's chip later
11:56 < c0co> i've tried identifying it previously with inconsistent info
11:57 < sonya> no need, thanks
12:03 < dg> IcePic: it looks like there's already a IETP_DEBUG that enables some debug prints
12:04 < dg> (sys/dev/i2c/ietp.c)
12:05 < c0co> trying to KISS On this first though before I start trying to debug the driver - anyone more familiar with X know whether there might be config issues in something like .xinitrc, .xsession etc? (.xsession-errors is empty)
12:05 < c0co> relating to inputs*
12:06 < dg> doubtful, you can mess up buttons but I'd be surprised if you can make it not move via that
12:06 < dg> it would probably also be useful to check output of doas wsconsctl | grep '^mouse'
12:07 < dg> e.g. on a thinkpad I get a mouse1 and mouse2 for the two pointer devices, you can check based on the values there that the driver is detecting some parts correctly
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12:07 < c0co> I get mouse and mouse1
12:11 < dg> ok, if you do want to rule out X you could maybe plug in a usb mouse
12:11 < dg> I would guess though that this is a driver issue
12:12 < IcePic> agreed
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12:14 < c0co_> wrt usb mouse: i also don't get any inputs. I tried a reboot to see if it was some weird issue with attaching to the kernel, and in the interstitial state of X starting up, i was able to receive mouse inputs frm the usb mouse, but by the time blowie appeared on the login screen, it was dead again. I tried this a second time to see if I would see the same primitive cursor movement with just the touchpad, 
12:15 < c0co_> but did not
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12:17 < c0co_> so not sure what steps to take next
12:17 < c0co_> i guess I could try just starting from scratch with X incase I buggered up the config at some point
12:18 < dg> has the touchpad ever worked on this hardware?
12:18 < c0co_> yeah it worked when it was a chromebook
12:18 < dg> ok, just checking :)
12:19 < c0co_> it wasn't a chromebook for very long once I got hold of it though so I don't know whether it had any longer term issues before I got it ;)
12:21 < dg> I wonder if the usb mouse not working is somehow the driver for the touchpad being buggy and causing something to get stuck, you could try boot_config at boot to disable ietp
12:21 < dg> I'd be sort of surprised if you broke X config that much
12:21 < dg> (by disabling ietp I'd expect the usb mouse to work properly)
12:22 < dg> (that might also be a bit of a big hammer, I've never touched any of the input drivers...)
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12:30 < sonya> if 'standard' usb-mice is out, then (may be) , as dg said above, (by disabling ietp I'd expect the usb mouse to work properly),  or else. hard for me to say. i thought that may be creation of  /etc/xorg.conf could help (but i'm not so sure now) with Section "InputClass" → Identifier "Elantech Touchpad" Driver ?"ietp"? (or the one X11 will pick to communicate with tp) Option "AutoServerLayout" "true" MatchIsTouchpad "on" Option "Device
12:30 < sonya> " "/dev/wsmouse0" → EndSection .. disable ietp to look at things is a good idea indeed .. too much words, sorry
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12:32 < c0co_> hey no problem i appreciate the attempts to help in all forms
12:32 < c0co_> I'm not sure how to actually *do* that though lol. I've not messed with boot_config before
12:33 < sonya> man 8 boot.conf
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12:34 < c0co_> ahhh I get it, it's at the boot> prompt on boot where previously I've just let it do it's thing to boot. didn't realise that was an actual interactive prompt before
12:34 < c0co_> i'm definitely going to break things with that, nice!
12:34 < c0co_> thanks
12:35 < IcePic> c0co_: one can hold ctrl or some key to make the computer skip boot.conf 
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12:35 < IcePic> in case you put something really bad there
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13:17 < anthk_> hello, any way to save cmixer settings so the volume levels stay as they are
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13:18 < zbcm> Before I dig into this: Has anyone gotten a https proxy to work in yt-dlp? It needs py-requests for proxy support, but installing the port doesn't seem to work.
13:19 < anthk_> also, something like what chronyd does to restore settings from disk, but for ntpd or rdate
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13:32 < sonya> zbcm, here it works this way: 'yt-dlp --proxy http://127.0.0.1:8118' (privoxy). works with https://$url. https and socks proxies also supported by yt-dlp
13:35 < sonya> anthk_, cmixer is a frontend to sndioctl and you can, i guess, create save/restore script to dump sndioctl values on exit and restore'em on boot. 
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14:01 < zbcm> Thanks. That works for yt-dlp. Now I need to figure out it won't work when I triy to use it in yt-x
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15:42 < mystic> hello guys, anyone know how to make a kernel dump ? I tried to trype "rebood -d" e it start to make the dump. At boot I entered in single mode and then at the prompt "savecore -z /var/crash/". But the os says "no dump found". Why not ?
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19:43 < uzuri> hie
19:44 < uzuri> as of the snapshot of 9th Nov. mpv seems to be broken, all i get is a blue screen and ambigious error msgs
19:45 < uzuri> the sound of the video is playing though
19:45 < uzuri> anyone else have this issue?
19:46 < ssm_> uzuri: any better results if you force a software-accelerated vo like xv or x11?
19:46 < uzuri> ssm_: how would that be done? whats the flag?
19:47 < ssm_> mpv -vo xv file
19:47 < sibiria> today in #openbsd: Snapshot-Enjoyer Faces Sudden Trouble
19:48 < uzuri> ssm_: horray that seems to work !!
19:48 < uzuri> altough its bit worse quality
19:48 < ssm_> if you run mpv with default flags, anything interesting in the terminal output?
19:49 < uzuri> sibiria: this is literally the first time i have ever encountered a bug since i started using openbsd since april and its something negligible like mpv..
19:49 < ssm_> this sounds like vaapi broke maybe
19:49 < uzuri> nice try tho
19:49 < thrig> Big Trouble in Little -Current
19:50 < uwharrie> uzuri: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=176267172717165&w=2
19:50 < uzuri> ssm_: ima paste it rq wait
19:52 < uzuri> http://paste.debian.net/1408406/
19:54 < sibiria> uzuri: strap in
19:54 < uzuri> also i upgraded to the nev snapshot that got released today, updated all pkgs, reinstalled mpv & its depencencies, yada yada 
19:54 < ssm_> looks like the same error as in UwUharrie's link; there's a patch for libplacebo that seems to fix it in the second message in the thread
19:55 < uzuri> ahh cool its already been reported
19:55 < uzuri> thanks guys
19:55 < uzuri> sibiria: wym
19:55 < sibiria> snapshots are unstable. these things happen regularly
19:56 < uzuri> not really
19:56 < sibiria> yrly
19:57 < uzuri> i think everybody by now understands that you dislike -current, no need to insert your opinion every time it gets mentioned
19:58 < sibiria> i don't dislike it at all. people running snapshots is important to progress
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20:06 < fro> i wouldn't say snapshots are unstable
20:06 < fro> if you find them unstable then the problem is likely you
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20:07 < uwharrie> They change APIs and ABIs regularly. Tough to call that stable
20:07 < fro> there are odd times with something breaking temporarily and that's about it
20:07 < thrig> or there's been notification and ffmpeg and other fuss on the ML
20:07 < fro> i don't recall saying they're stable
20:07 < fro> rather that they're not unstable
20:07 < fro> but sure
20:08 < sibiria> it doesn't trouble me immediately since i don't run -current. saying -current isn't unstable isn't in parity with people asking for help here every week with something that stopped working on their -current setup
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20:08 < fro> cool so your anecdote about this is noted
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20:16 < oldlaptop> OpenBSD doesn't do stability, and OpenBSD-current *really* doesn't do stability. It's a tradeoff (and a really different one than Linux-the-kernel and a lot of systems built on it have chosen)
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20:17 < thrig> openbsd does stability via predictable releases and safe .0 releases
20:18 < oldlaptop> thrig: Not really the same way linux does, where they consider it a serious bug if some static binary from 20 years ago can't theoretically run today
20:20 < oldlaptop> I'd say there's nothing wrong with either way, but that's what a tradeoff means - there are *different* things wrong with both possible ways, and no obvious reason one is always and everywhere better than the other
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20:22 < sibiria> i've rarely had any gripes with -stable not being stable (this is what's called an anecdote i believe)
20:22 < fro> and i've rarely had gripes with -current
20:22 < fro> go figure
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20:23 < sibiria> probably more related than anything else to your particular -current setup
20:23 < fro> yeah i'm sure it's just me
20:23 < sibiria> -stable is a homogeneity of sorts. your specific blend of -current isn't (this is an anecdote)
20:24 < sibiria> collectively, users of -current have a lot of hiccups
20:24 < fro> you're not really making any points here bud
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20:29 < pardis> people ask for help with broken things often in a support channel? shocking
20:29 < fro> but pardis that shows that collectively users of -current blah blah blah
20:30 < fro> the people that come here for help also are something
20:32 < cgnarne> it shit breaks with current you're somewhat on your own, right? like figure it out for yourself. stable is different in that regard
20:32 < fro> no
20:32 < fro> i don't think that's right at all
20:33 < fro> although if you're looking for someone in this chanenl to help you then you might not get the best help
20:33 < fro> hey there's an anecdote of my own
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20:33 < uwharrie> it's at least expected that you're going to report it on the mailing list, not ask here then reddit/daemonforums, then complain that it's broken and sucks
20:34 < cgnarne> ^---
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20:34 < uwharrie> this isn't Arch where evangelists are going to fall over themselves to do the grunt work for you
20:34 < fro> i think there are certainly some people in this channel who try their best to help
20:34 < fro> that's for sure
20:35 < fro> but then there's still a lot of ridiculousness
20:36 < flaxarn> Then you must stop now I think
20:36 < fro> stop what?
20:39 < fro> good talk
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21:30 < flaxarn> fro: The nutcase aggro
21:31 < fro> i don't get it
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