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They aren't exposed except in the filesystem. 02:43 < Bradipo> I presume you mean Unix domain socket? 02:45 < rnkn> Bradipo: yep 02:46 -!- jitter [~jitter@user/jitter] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:47 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has quit [Quit: Sky Filled with Rain .gz.] 02:48 -!- jitter [~jitter@149.224.174.233.dynamic-pppoe.dt.ipv4.wtnet.de] has joined #openbsd 02:48 -!- jitter [~jitter@149.224.174.233.dynamic-pppoe.dt.ipv4.wtnet.de] has quit [Changing host] 02:48 -!- jitter [~jitter@user/jitter] has joined #openbsd 02:57 -!- mytec333 [~mytec333@user/mytec333] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1] 02:59 -!- tvtoon [~The_cUnix@user/tvtoon] has quit [Quit: "Pepecraft"] 03:02 -!- manis [01a66df340@185.72.67.185] has quit [Quit: Gateway shutdown] 03:05 -!- nawcom [~nawcom@bulldadachat.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07 -!- nawcom [~nawcom@bulldadachat.com] has joined #openbsd 03:07 -!- manis [01a66df340@185.72.67.185] has joined #openbsd 03:09 -!- jerryf [~jerryf@user/jerryf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09 -!- jerryf [~jerryf@user/jerryf] has joined #openbsd 03:11 -!- wnh [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has joined #openbsd 03:13 -!- panorain [~panorain@user/panorain] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has quit [Quit: ublx] 03:21 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25 -!- Xenguy_ [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has joined #openbsd 03:27 -!- cow321 [~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837] has joined #openbsd 03:27 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:30 < Reinhilde> Why are unix sockets called unix sockets and not filesystem socks 03:30 < Reinhilde> sockets* 03:33 < dg> in the same way inet sockets are called that and not IP address sockets 03:34 < dg> how they are addressed is only a small part of the details 03:34 < dg> the top of https://man.openbsd.org/unix possibily puts it better 03:39 -!- remilias1 is now known as remiliascarlet 03:40 -!- Guestmodinfo [~chatzilla@2401:4900:88ab:90b8:e032:baee:5c6b:5cbc] has joined #openbsd 03:40 < Guestmodinfo> hi 03:43 -!- jadi [~jadi@74.49.178.126] has joined #openbsd 03:44 < oldlaptop> (the non-manpage documents under SEE ALSO are both in the 'attic' too, incidentally - https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/share/doc/psd/) 03:45 < oldlaptop> removed because they are history, not maintained, shippable documentation - but you're asking a history question 03:47 < oldlaptop> ('Domains and Protocols' in the 'introductory' tutorial speaks to it a fair bit) 03:48 -!- artmdl [~art5456@d173-183-34-71.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48 < thrig> it can be roff going for old docs 03:49 * oldlaptop wonders idly how a "dusty old Berkely papers" port would go over 03:50 < Bradipo> I miss the old vi docs that have gone missing. 03:50 < oldlaptop> it's in an awkward spot - unmaintained for decades, but still some interesting information 03:51 < Bradipo> Its the only place that map was described. 03:51 < Bradipo> The current man page doesn't do anything to help someone that has never used a map in vi. 03:51 < oldlaptop> in some cases so much so that it hasn't quite been removed (https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sbin/fsck_ffs/SMM.doc/) 03:52 < oldlaptop> and indeed https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/vi/docs/USD.doc/ 03:53 < Bradipo> Yes, that. Very useful. 03:53 -!- _zip100 [~zip100@193.32.248.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:53 -!- zip100 [~zip100@193.32.248.166] has joined #openbsd 03:54 < oldlaptop> would be awkward as a port when technically it's all still there unhooked in the tree 03:55 < oldlaptop> (it's even had a substantive change in the 21st century - the last few years, at that) 03:57 < Bradipo> page 48 of this PS document describes how to use map: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/~checkout~/src/usr.bin/vi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/Attic/vi.ref.ps?rev=1.1&content-type=text/plain 03:57 < Bradipo> 'Tis a shame it was removed. 03:57 < pardis> the port could just have src.tar.gz as its DISTFILE 03:58 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:58 < oldlaptop> :D 03:58 < oldlaptop> not quite, though, it'd want (for example) that socket stuff from the attic 03:58 < pardis> perhaps src.tar.gz from OpenBSD 2.0 03:59 < oldlaptop> then you miss those 21st-century spelling fixes in the vi tutorial! 04:07 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has joined #openbsd 04:08 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has joined #openbsd 04:11 -!- eniac [~eniac@user/eniac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11 -!- eniac [~eniac@user/eniac] has joined #openbsd 04:13 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has quit [Client Quit] 04:16 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 04:16 -!- mover [~hischild@user/mover] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:18 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has joined #openbsd 04:24 -!- cmcsun [~sun@66.23.193.72] has joined #openbsd 04:24 -!- cmcsun [~sun@66.23.193.72] has quit [Changing host] 04:24 -!- cmcsun [~sun@user/cmcsun] has joined #openbsd 04:26 -!- Guestmodinfo [~chatzilla@2401:4900:88ab:90b8:e032:baee:5c6b:5cbc] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.22 [SeaMonkey 2.53.22/20251020190652]] 04:26 -!- jadi [~jadi@74.49.178.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:27 -!- Guestmodinfo [~chatzilla@2401:4900:88ab:90b8:e032:baee:5c6b:5cbc] has joined #openbsd 04:30 -!- hirigaray [~hirigaray@user/hirigaray] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.4.2] 04:31 -!- Xenguy_ [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:31 -!- librecat [uid714233@id-714233.helmsley.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd 04:33 -!- nature [~nature@2603:7000:4600:2dc8:fa8:80c8:b976:1a8f] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:38 -!- Pixi [~Pixi@user/pixi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:38 -!- wnh [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:39 -!- wnh [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has joined #openbsd 04:55 -!- OnASnoopPhone [~OnASnoopP@user/OnASnoopPhone] has joined #openbsd 05:00 -!- DarkTaffy is now known as Old-Ben-Jabroni 05:02 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has joined #openbsd 05:04 -!- averymt [~averymt@user/averymt] has quit [Quit: Quit] 05:04 -!- cow321_ [~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837] has joined #openbsd 05:06 -!- cow321 [~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:06 -!- cow321_ is now known as cow321 05:08 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:13 -!- amadaluzia [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13 -!- amadaluzia [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has joined #openbsd 05:18 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has joined #openbsd 05:32 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:33 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has joined #openbsd 05:38 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:38 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has joined #openbsd 05:49 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:49 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has joined #openbsd 05:51 -!- jadi [~jadi@74.49.178.126] has joined #openbsd 06:05 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-84-59-127.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #openbsd 06:08 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-171-97-85-24.revip8.asianet.co.th] has joined #openbsd 06:14 -!- ixc [~ixc@user/ixc] has joined #openbsd 06:33 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-171-97-85-24.revip8.asianet.co.th] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:38 -!- Pixi [~Pixi@user/pixi] has joined #openbsd 06:39 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-171-97-85-24.revip8.asianet.co.th] has joined #openbsd 06:40 -!- Bradipo [~Bradipo@50.77.44.29] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:43 < IcePic> dg / Reinhilde : ip sockets are "ip" only now. In the beginning, networking did not know for certain that tcp/ip would "win", there were lots of weird alternatives that could have become the main protocol, and many unix OSes kept a wide array of protocol decoders just in case ip would not win, so its only after the 90s we knew ip was going to be "it" 06:43 -!- Guest41 [~Guest41@nova-153-092-156-037.cpe.novanet.is] has joined #openbsd 06:44 -!- Leo_V [~Leo@104.247.239.65] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:46 -!- Guest41 [~Guest41@nova-153-092-156-037.cpe.novanet.is] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:51 -!- km_ [~km@c978F5BC1.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #openbsd 06:53 < Reinhilde> i mean linux still has ax.25 no? 06:59 < IcePic> I'm sure the can optionally do appletalk, ipx/spx, netbeui, banyan vines and ten more if you push the buttons in the kernel config 06:59 < IcePic> they* 07:09 -!- lolok [~lolok@user/lolok] has quit [Quit: lolok] 07:10 -!- jadi [~jadi@74.49.178.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:11 -!- lusciouslover [~luscious@user/lusciouslover] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:11 -!- luscious1 [~luscious@user/lusciouslover] has joined #openbsd 07:13 -!- lolok [~lolok@user/lolok] has joined #openbsd 07:17 < rnkn> man.openbsd.org is down! 07:17 < zelest> man.ifconfig.se to the rescue! 07:17 < zelest> *shameless self-promotion* 07:18 < rnkn> zelest: that is a damn cute puffy 07:18 < zelest> 100% ai-slop, sadly. 07:20 < IcePic> zelest: what do you mean, good coders aren't also excellent artists? 07:20 < zelest> haha, exactly that :D 07:21 -!- ewig [~ewig@user/ewig] has joined #openbsd 07:21 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:22 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has joined #openbsd 07:23 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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If you tighten it too much, you can't fail yourself or you will also get blocked from trying again 10:06 < sibiria> rate limiting and accepting the reality of the Internet is usually a better approach imo 10:07 < asji> there are no open doors or services on this machine, that is in bridge mode. But the constants of automated "attacks" is what tcpdump get 10:08 < sibiria> nothing to worry about then, the way i see it 10:08 < IcePic> and the scans are kind of intelligent nowadays, so they get a hundred scan machines, and each one scans one or a few interesting ports, and this means your sshd log will more or less only see one user attempt per one of those hosts, so blocking them is not really going to help 10:08 < asji> tell me about "the way you see it" 10:09 < sibiria> you can't stop the traffic from arriving to your edge unless you want to run a strict whitelist for your infra 10:09 < IcePic> asji: if nothing responds on the server, there is no real danger 10:09 < sibiria> it's like people on the street outside your window. they'll be there no matter what 10:10 < asji> ok... make sense.. but in my interpretation is like "people outside trying to get in".. 10:10 < IcePic> it is 10:10 < sibiria> i don't mind exposing sshd to the public. i trust in the security. what i do, however, is to move it off the standard port just to keep the log noise and load down 10:11 < asji> I want to burn them alive! :p (joking.. no torture or punishment) 10:11 < sibiria> and i apply rate limiting (on sshd and usually other things exposed publically) 10:11 < sibiria> and then i just let the buzz happen 10:11 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-84-59-127.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:11 < asji> ok 10:11 -!- hygo [~hygo@189-68-19-84.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.6.3] 10:12 < asji> thank you for the tips.. I was about to add one by one to the " list 10:12 < sibiria> also good to remind yourself that unless you're a high profile entity, you are not a direct target 10:12 < sibiria> you're just another host on the Internet getting some of it 10:13 < asji> yeah sibiria, but that is "sick" .. how many automated attacks are scanning all machines 10:13 < sibiria> yeah it's crazy 10:13 < sibiria> stray packets is a reality, too. not all traffic reaching you were actually intended for you 10:14 < sibiria> don't get too occupied by looking at the edge of the network with tcpdump. it's a rabbit hole 10:14 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@mx-ll-171.6.107-69.dynamic.3bb.co.th] has joined #openbsd 10:15 < asji> ISP not using routers or firewalls to filter this traffic.. "not all traffic reaching you were actually intended for you" 10:15 < asji> I don't understand that.. I thought that ISPs could do something against 10:16 < IcePic> it costs money to act against it 10:16 < IcePic> so people choose the cheapest available isp, and get what they pay for 10:16 < asji> that is why we pay for the service.. so they can have money to improve their service 10:16 < sibiria> also costs money to undo their filtering, if you'd happen to actually want some of this traffic 10:17 < sibiria> it's more reasonable to give you all the traffic as the default, instead of pre-emptively trying to help 10:17 < asji> hmm.. I guess ISPs around here have the same price ( more or less ) 10:19 < zbcm> I have very little botting happening currently. Authlog is clean 10:19 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-84-59-127.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #openbsd 10:20 < asji> the problem was that I turn tcpdump "on" for the main network-card. It is insane! :D 10:21 -!- frodo [~sethkush@d122-n75.gen.queensu.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:22 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23 < asji> and after a few hours you see that, some networks range, have this kind of attacks (trying to connect into your machine to all kind of ports) in a regular way. In less than 2 minutes I have more than 200 attempts.. this is mad! 10:23 < sibiria> yeah that was your first mistake. looking out through the window in the morning 10:23 < asji> sibiria: yeyeye 10:23 < sibiria> grasshopper 10:23 < sibiria> jokes aside, all of this is fine. it's just noise. focus on what you decide to let in 10:23 < zbcm> I feel like if you use f2b or sshguard the bots learn and slow down 10:23 < zbcm> somewhat 10:24 < sibiria> distributed efforts are really hard to pinpoint at times 10:24 < zbcm> standard ssh port has the opposite effect 10:24 -!- jgh [~jgh@hellmouth.gulag.org.uk] has joined #openbsd 10:25 < IcePic> I would just recommend setting up wireguard, and anytime you need to ssh in from the outside, then you wg first, and ssh inside the tunnel 10:26 < IcePic> wg not being visible on the outside it really nice 10:26 < asji> I must admit that I don't understand much about security in this aspect.. even if I am not sharing some public service to the world, I use software that open some door +1024> to "talk".. does an attacker is able to see this ports? 10:26 < IcePic> asji: its is possible for an attacker that is on the network path in between you and the opening, but not any random evil person in another country 10:28 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@mx-ll-171.6.107-69.dynamic.3bb.co.th] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29 < asji> ok 10:31 -!- frodo [~sethkush@2602:ffb6:4:bc3a:f816:3eff:fe94:75bc] has joined #openbsd 10:33 -!- zeenk [~zeenk@82.78.233.217] has joined #openbsd 10:33 -!- memset_ [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 10:33 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:33 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@49.228.24.135] has joined #openbsd 10:33 -!- sonya [~nightwolf@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has joined #openbsd 10:34 < zbcm> anyway just use ssh keys and an alternate ssh port 10:37 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-84-59-127.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:37 -!- Guestmodinfo [~chatzilla@2401:4900:88ab:90b8:e032:baee:5c6b:5cbc] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.22 [SeaMonkey 2.53.22/20251020190652]] 10:38 < asji> zbcm: .. if you analyze the traffic, you will find that "an alternative port" can be reached too.. so yeah, using "publickeys" is the best approach 10:39 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-84-59-127.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #openbsd 10:41 < zbcm> hopefully there's a private key involved too 10:44 < asji> zbcm: don't talk about that in public :p 10:45 < sibiria> unless you filter the traffic, almost all of your ports can be reached. the point with moving the ssh away from standard port is that it will reduce a lot of the noise 10:46 < asji> ok.. so the default script that are made to attack ssh services will fail because the port 22 is not active by default.. got it 10:46 < sibiria> eventually your host will be mapped and you'll start to see a bit of traffic on a non-standard port. but the majority of the noise will go away 10:46 < sibiria> it's not a security approach. it's to reduce noise- and load levels 10:47 < asji> just another noob question: what you mean when you say "noise" ? random traffic attempts? 10:47 < sibiria> yes 10:47 < IcePic> its single SYN packets that either get zero reply or a quick "noone here, go away" and nothing else. 10:48 < sonya> bots, kiddies and so on 10:48 < asji> sonya: bots.. yeah.. probably a lot of them 10:51 -!- frodo [~sethkush@2602:ffb6:4:bc3a:f816:3eff:fe94:75bc] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:52 * sonya build a couple of 'go' projects.. well.. now i see the road of cargo, pip and others.. "for install go find where the binary is and copy it into /usr/local/bin/"©™.... 10:54 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@49.228.24.135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56 -!- psydroid3 [~psydroid@185.99.206.53] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.2.6 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:58 < asji> dynamic installations.. as an alternative you need to export the path 11:00 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-115-87-152-28.revip4.asianet.co.th] has joined #openbsd 11:00 < asji> but why copying it into /usr/local/bin/ if you can create a link (ln -fs) 11:02 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has joined #openbsd 11:02 -!- zcram [~zcram@user/zcram] has quit [Quit: Do the right thing.] 11:05 < asji> not sure if this is a bug, but I cannot use "alt+1/2/.." in irssi, to select different windows.. it creates some weird characters.. I am using /window new as an alternative, but yeah.. something is not right here 11:06 < sonya> asji, try Esc+1/2 11:06 < sonya> and Ctl+P/Ctl+N 11:07 < asji> wow.. nice ! thank you! very useful 11:07 < IcePic> esc in irssi even works for 11-12-13-14 by doing esc-q,w,e,r 11:08 < zbcm> more an #irssi problem. I sujest #senpai though. It's more modern 11:09 < zbcm> suggest.. 11:09 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:09 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has joined #openbsd 11:12 < asji> zbcm: the question is always: "what is not modern in japan?" .. 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I don't wish to scan domain to get the ips.. just the domain is what I wish 16:44 < Bradipo> You cannot block domain names... you can block the IPs that they resolve to. 16:44 < Bradipo> You can certainly use a domain name in a pf rule, but it will be resolved to IPs and those will be blocked. 16:44 < Bradipo> And if the IP addresses of the domain name change, the rules will not be automatically updated. 16:44 < echelon> you can try running your own dns server and override the entries, it's definitely doable with dnsmasq 16:45 < Bradipo> So, one way to do this would be to setup a table and then just periodically run pfctl to add to that table. 16:45 < Bradipo> As echelon said, running your own DNS server is one way to "block" a domain. 16:46 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has joined #openbsd 16:46 < uwharrie> check out pf-badhost for a fairly turn key solution in the vein of pi hole 16:47 -!- jalfresi [~bendavies@224.186.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openbsd 16:47 < lts-> Unbound with blocklists as the network's recursive DNS resolver(s) does the job nicely too 16:49 < echelon> obviously running your own dns won't help if a user on your network decides to use their own dns settings 16:50 < lts-> That's where pf blocking all other outgoing dns traffic (and known DoH) helps :-) 16:51 < vortexx> pf looking up dns names slows it down quite a bit if it's lots of domains 16:51 < vortexx> especially on boot 16:51 < echelon> oor.. you could redirect all dns queries to your dns 16:51 < echelon> assuming they're not using dnssec or some other encrypted dns 16:54 -!- swaggboi [~kvirc@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi] has joined #openbsd 16:54 -!- vortexx [~nothing@user/vortexx] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:55 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 16:57 < Bradipo> I usually use authpf for this kind of thing. 16:57 < Bradipo> I don't have DNS lookups in /etc/pf.conf, but then wait for authpf and then have authpf logins lookup the domains. 16:57 < Bradipo> Oh, well, I suppose that's in whitelisted mode... 16:58 < Bradipo> Where all domains are blocked by default and then authpf permits certain domains. 16:58 < asji> authpf ? I don't know what it is.. so I need to "dig domain" to find those ips.. 16:58 < Bradipo> No, you could do something like: pfctl -Tadd -tblocked domain.name 16:58 < Bradipo> And pfctl will resolve domain.name for you. 16:58 < Bradipo> But it's still a "static" rule. 16:58 < lts-> asji: you really should consider doing this on DNS level. It's very elegant there 16:59 < Bradipo> Yep, it's not difficult to setup a block for a given DNS name when using DNS resolver software. 16:59 < asji> lts-: I am already using a DNS with DoT only, but it looks like some of this domains are hosted behind the same service that I use for DNS, which is cloudflare.. 17:00 < uwharrie> why would you use cloudflare if this is a concern? 17:00 < lts-> Shouldn't matter if DNS tells clients the address for that domain is 0.0.0.0 17:00 < lts-> (or whatever it actually says) 17:02 < lts-> Yep, looks like 0.0.0.0 with the always_null config in unbound 17:02 -!- nature [~nature@2603:7000:4600:2dc8:51e2:cc11:77d1:d583] has joined #openbsd 17:02 < Bradipo> I usually just setup an empty domain. 17:02 < asji> uwharrie: the concern comes after adding cloudflare.. not big deal for now.. just 2 or 3 that I don't like to see 17:02 < Bradipo> That way all DNS queries for that domain return NXDOMAIN. 17:04 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05 < cgnarne> what about unwind? i have that running on my thinkpad. has dns blacklisting and is easy to configure 17:07 < uwharrie> unwind works if you don't control a LAN's advertised DNS or router 17:07 < asji> cgnarne: I am using unwind too, but I didn't check how to setup blacklist with it. 17:09 < asji> ok.. super each.. it says in "man unwind.conf" 17:09 < rIMpossible> Hello. I want to convert a win11 iso to img format. Is that possible on OpenBSD? Background: I want to install it from one usb stick to another ('to go' for a particular machine). I do not want a fixed install for using it 3 times a year 17:09 < asji> easy* no *each* 17:11 -!- vortexx [~nothing@casper.nineinchnetworks.ch] has joined #openbsd 17:11 -!- vortexx [~nothing@casper.nineinchnetworks.ch] has quit [Changing host] 17:11 -!- vortexx [~nothing@user/vortexx] has joined #openbsd 17:13 < rIMpossible> BTW: sysupgrade on 5 machines succeeded without any problems. 17:14 < rIMpossible> Thanks to the developers for this great release 17:15 -!- swaggboi [~kvirc@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:18 < sibiria> easier to create a bootable installer on a USB memory stick directly on windows, with the windows media creation tool 17:20 < sibiria> if you can verify that the iso you have is a hybrid image, you can also just dd that directly to your USB memory 17:20 < rIMpossible> sibiria: ok, need to see a friend, I don' have a windows machine hiere 17:20 < rIMpossible> s/hiere/here 17:21 < asji> using dd doesn't work? 17:21 < rIMpossible> sibiria: file(1) says: Win11_25H2_German_x64.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'CCCOMA_X64FRE_DE-DE_DV9 ' (bootable) 17:21 < sibiria> these days only if it's a hybrid image that contains a bootable partition 17:21 < rIMpossible> asji: no 17:22 < sibiria> in the past, BIOSes would contain CD emulation features, allowing you to boot a plain ISO off of USB as if it were a CD/DVD device. this functionality is pretty much gone since long 17:22 < rIMpossible> could not boot on Toshiba Z930 and on HP Compaq Pro 6300 17:23 < sibiria> then it's not a hybrid image, and if the computers you want to boot it from don't have CD emulation anymore you can't do anything 17:23 < asji> damn.. old fashion have really cool features.. 17:23 -!- vortexx [~nothing@user/vortexx] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:25 < rIMpossible> sibiria: I try to get a hybrid 17:25 < sibiria> if microsoft doesn't provide one, you're off to pirate territory 17:25 < sibiria> i'd just use microsoft's own media creation tool 17:26 < sibiria> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/create-installation-media-for-windows-99a58364-8c02-206f-aa6f-40c3b507420d 17:28 < asji> don't install window$ .. it is too beautiful . you need something more ugly :p 17:29 -!- swaggboi [~kvirc@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi] has joined #openbsd 17:29 -!- jalfresi [~bendavies@224.186.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:37 -!- swaggboi [~kvirc@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:50 -!- swaggboi [~kvirc@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi] has joined #openbsd 17:55 -!- luscious1 is now known as lusciouslover 18:02 < phy1729> asji: I run unbound and use local-zone: example.com always_nxdomain and have pf hijack UDP and TCP 53 and redirect it to the local unbound server 18:02 -!- ali_rahbar_17 [~ali@5.115.175.101] has joined #openbsd 18:02 -!- ali_rahbar_17 [~ali@5.115.175.101] has quit [Changing host] 18:02 -!- ali_rahbar_17 [~ali@user/ali-rahbar-17:36079] has joined #openbsd 18:03 < phy1729> You can also setup multiple views in unbound if you want a different block list per IP (users are associated with IPs via wiregaurd and login.conf rtable) 18:13 -!- cgnarne [~pk@user/cgnarne] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.9.1 - https://znc.in] 18:14 -!- apa_c [~alexander@user/apac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14 -!- vados [~vados@128-124-73-66.mobile.vf-ua.net] has joined #openbsd 18:14 -!- vezhlys [~Andrius@cl-78-158-15-148.fastlink.lt] has joined #openbsd 18:21 -!- vezhlys [~Andrius@cl-78-158-15-148.fastlink.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21 < asji> the manual of unbound is giant and i don't find easly a tutorial that explain the case.. but is ok, I will read that manual too :) 18:22 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has joined #openbsd 18:23 < sibiria> if you're just looking to serve that computer itself, unwind will suffice 18:23 < sibiria> and is far simpler to set up 18:36 < phy1729> I'm doing adblock for the whole network even for devices that don't want it which is why I have to be setup on the gateway 18:36 -!- nsuperbus [~nsuperbus@host-46-251-26-104.kabelnet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:36 -!- jalfresi [~bendavies@81.187.186.224] has joined #openbsd 18:38 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has quit [Quit: I'd never pass the bar unless I thought it was wet .gz.] 18:38 -!- vados [~vados@128-124-73-66.mobile.vf-ua.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.7.1] 18:39 < asji> this unbound.conf manual is interesting. Is this application/service, used to setup a local-self-host website without using an external service? it looks like, but I am a bit confuse.. maybe is only my imagination 18:39 -!- vezhlys [~Andrius@cl-78-158-15-148.fastlink.lt] has joined #openbsd 18:41 -!- librecat [uid714233@id-714233.helmsley.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:41 < phy1729> It's a DNS recursive resolver 18:45 -!- cgnarne [~pk@2a0a-a547-a001-0-220-91ff-feff-ee02.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de] has joined #openbsd 18:45 -!- cgnarne [~pk@2a0a-a547-a001-0-220-91ff-feff-ee02.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de] has quit [Changing host] 18:45 -!- cgnarne [~pk@user/cgnarne] has joined #openbsd 18:46 -!- oldfolio [~oldfolio@217.180.201.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:46 -!- vados [~vados@178-133-133-17.mobile.vf-ua.net] has joined #openbsd 18:47 < jab> so I'm reading in undeadly.org the new 52 partitions support...will OpenBSD transition to having 52 partitions by default ? I'm guessing this'll make sysupgrade -s a little more complicated. 18:47 -!- jalfresi [~bendavies@81.187.186.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:47 -!- psydroid2 [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has joined #openbsd 18:48 -!- oldfolio [~oldfolio@173.211.12.35] has joined #openbsd 18:51 < ssm_> why would it? 18:51 < cgnarne> that seems to be the plan. why would that make sysupgrade -s more complicated? 18:52 < xse> it's about the maximum number of partitions a disklabel can hold, not like setting up 52 different partitions by default during installtion 18:53 < ssm_> 52 is 2 alphabets, after z to partitions roll to A? 18:53 -!- bigato_ [~bigato@170.81.150.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:54 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:56 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has joined #openbsd 18:56 < cgnarne> yup 18:57 -!- vezhlys [~Andrius@cl-78-158-15-148.fastlink.lt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57 -!- vezhlys [~Andrius@cl-78-158-15-148.fastlink.lt] has joined #openbsd 18:59 -!- km_ [~km@c978F5BC1.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #openbsd 19:02 -!- Lucas_ [~Lucas@moon.lgv5.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 19:06 -!- vezhlys_ [~Andrius@cl-78-158-15-148.fastlink.lt] has joined #openbsd 19:09 -!- vezhlys_ [~Andrius@cl-78-158-15-148.fastlink.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 19:09 -!- vezhlys [~Andrius@cl-78-158-15-148.fastlink.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:11 -!- armin [~armin@zero.m2m.pm] has quit [Quit: brb] 19:12 -!- nsuperbus [~nsuperbus@host-46-251-26-104.kabelnet.hu] has joined #openbsd 19:12 -!- Lucas_ [~Lucas@moon.lgv5.net] has joined #openbsd 19:12 -!- jalfresi [~bendavies@224.186.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openbsd 19:13 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:13 -!- vortexx [~nothing@casper.nineinchnetworks.ch] has joined #openbsd 19:13 -!- vortexx [~nothing@casper.nineinchnetworks.ch] has quit [Changing host] 19:13 -!- vortexx [~nothing@user/vortexx] has joined #openbsd 19:15 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has joined #openbsd 19:15 -!- ali_rahbar_17 [~ali@user/ali-rahbar-17:36079] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16 -!- ixc [~ixc@user/ixc] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:17 < rIMpossible> Is it possible to start debian(installer) 13.1.0 from vmd ? 19:17 < asji> it is, but you need to "hack a bit" because vmd will break if you try to use GUI 19:18 < rIMpossible> asji: is there a link to some doku ? 19:19 -!- gtlwuc [uid621242@user/gtlwuc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:19 < asji> I think you can find it in internet, by asking the same in search engine. I found that in some blog. I cannot paste it here 19:21 < ivdsangen> you can also use qemu for installation of an image and run this with vmd, maybe thats easier 19:22 < sonya> or grab preinstalled qcow2 debian images.. 19:22 < rIMpossible> ivdsangen: would a live image of debian run directly in vmd? 19:22 < asji> ok.. a better approach, since qemu will not get crazy with GUIs 19:22 < rIMpossible> sonya: that's what I want to check 19:23 < ivdsangen> rIMpossible: i havent tried that 19:24 < rIMpossible> does vmd break, if I start a qcow2 image of debian, so the install task could be circumvented? 19:24 < rIMpossible> I do not need a lot, just want to install ventoy.net on a stick 19:25 < rIMpossible> therefor I would need linux or win$ 19:25 < vortexx> rIMpossible: if you configure in grub the console output you presumably get the tui 19:26 < asji> I had that experience.. if installation start in default-mode, it will break for sure, when starting the GUI. So yeah, if you start debian installation in "expert mode", there is no gui but tui 19:27 < rIMpossible> vortexx: asji: I am anyway a keyboard junky and hate gui for installation tasks 19:29 < asji> rejection is a better choice.. don't hate, just reject :) .. most linux distros start with gui, but some don't. Alpine for example is a good choice too.. very minimalistic 19:31 -!- figment [~figment@user/figment] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33 < asji> it doesn't use "apt" but "apk" (not very creative uh?) hehe 19:34 -!- yclept [~yclept@user/yclept] has left #openbsd [] 19:35 -!- jalfresi [~bendavies@224.186.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:36 -!- figment [~figment@user/figment] has joined #openbsd 19:53 < xse> > I urge caution, and it will take me a few days to ensure the other architectures are fixed correctly. 19:54 < xse> ^ maybe careful -current people https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=176314477810683 19:55 -!- ZLima12_ [~zlima12@user/meow/ZLima12] has joined #openbsd 19:56 -!- ZLima12 [~zlima12@user/meow/ZLima12] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:57 -!- jadi [~jadi@74.49.178.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:58 -!- armin [~armin@zero.m2m.pm] has joined #openbsd 20:08 -!- jadi [~jadi@74.49.178.126] has joined #openbsd 20:14 -!- jab [~user@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16 < vortexx> xse: yeah that looks fun. 20:16 < vortexx> yet another ABI break 20:21 < joe9_> is there something different with openbsd convert? I am using -crop wxh+l+t but it gives me weird changes. 20:23 < Bradipo> You mean ImageMagick? 20:23 < joe9_> Version: ImageMagick 6.9.13-16 Q16 x86_64 18467 https://legacy.imagemagick.org 20:23 < joe9_> Copyright: (C) 1999 ImageMagick Studio LLC 20:23 < joe9_> yes. 20:23 -!- jadi [~jadi@74.49.178.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:23 < Bradipo> OpenBSD doesn't have a convert in base, so you must mean from the port... 20:23 < cgnarne> xse: did an upgrade of my main server like 2 hours ago. worked fine, i guess was lucky 20:24 < joe9_> Bradipo: oh, must be. i did not compile it from source. 20:24 -!- sonya [~nightwolf@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:24 < Bradipo> What weird changes do you get? 20:24 < uwharrie> have you tried the -notweird flag? 20:25 -!- jadi [~jadi@74.49.178.126] has joined #openbsd 20:25 < thrig> or maybe --not-weird 20:25 < joe9_> from the manpages, I understand that format of -crop is WidthxHeight+Left+top 20:25 -!- lotsen [~lotsen@user/Lotsen] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:25 -!- lotsen [~lotsen@user/Lotsen] has joined #openbsd 20:26 < ssm_> if it's in /usr/local it's not ours. you can use pkg_info -E filename to figure out if a file is part of a package 20:27 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has joined #openbsd 20:27 < joe9_> But: 2025 ; d pkg_info -E /usr/local/bin/convert 20:27 < joe9_> /usr/local/bin/convert: ImageMagick-6.9.13.16 20:27 < joe9_> ImageMagick-6.9.13.16 image processing tools 20:28 < uwharrie> There are no patches applied that would change its behavior on this platform. Does the same version work differently on a different OS? 20:29 < joe9_> I have not tried on a different OS. 20:30 -!- oldfolio [~oldfolio@173.211.12.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:30 -!- jadi [~jadi@74.49.178.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:31 < uwharrie> that makes your original question is even more vague 20:31 < joe9_> when i do widthxheigh+left+top, with a big value for top, it cuts off the right side of the image. 20:32 -!- oldfolio [~oldfolio@217.180.201.144] has joined #openbsd 20:32 < joe9_> when I do with a big value for Left, I get the top chopped off. 20:32 < joe9_> it is almost as it left and top are getting switched. 20:34 -!- BillyZane2 [~BillyZane@user/BillyZane] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35 -!- BillyZane2 [~BillyZane@user/BillyZane] has joined #openbsd 20:37 < sibiria> rIMpossible: debian works but if you want to install in vmd you'll need to tack some extras onto the boot option to run the installer in serial console. optionally you can install in e.g. virtualbox or qemu and copy the disk image afterwards 20:38 < joe9_> figured that shit out. I was viewing the images in feh and feh was turning the images. With display, I can see why it is getting messed up. 20:38 -!- BillyZane2 [~BillyZane@user/BillyZane] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:40 -!- BillyZane2 [~BillyZane@user/BillyZane] has joined #openbsd 20:43 -!- magyar [~magyar@user/magyar] has quit [Quit: Riding the split] 20:44 -!- BillyZane2 [~BillyZane@user/BillyZane] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:44 -!- jadi [~jadi@74.49.178.126] has joined #openbsd 20:45 -!- BillyZane2 [~BillyZane@user/BillyZane] has joined #openbsd 20:49 -!- sonya [~nightwolf@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has joined #openbsd 20:51 -!- zcram [~zcram@user/zcram] has quit [Quit: Do the right thing.] 20:52 -!- Bradipo [~Bradipo@50.77.44.29] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:00 -!- yclept [~yclept@user/yclept] has joined #openbsd 21:01 -!- yclept [~yclept@user/yclept] has quit [Client Quit] 21:02 -!- yclept [~yclept@user/yclept] has joined #openbsd 21:04 -!- Xylemon [~Xylemon@97.90.117.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:05 -!- cr4sh0v3rrid3 [~cr4sh0v3r@user/cr4sh0v3rrid3] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:05 -!- duri [~mduregon@97-120-222-65.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:05 -!- duri [~mduregon@97-120-222-65.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #openbsd 21:08 -!- vados [~vados@178-133-133-17.mobile.vf-ua.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:08 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has quit [Quit: Life beckons] 21:09 -!- Xylemon [~Xylemon@97.90.117.47] has joined #openbsd 21:10 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has joined #openbsd 21:12 -!- CrimeWave [~Ebox-MTL@user/CrimeWave] has joined #openbsd 21:12 -!- cr4sh0v3rrid3 [~cr4sh0v3r@user/cr4sh0v3rrid3] has joined #openbsd 21:14 -!- moko [~rusty2@sys3.eientei.ra.yakumo.ch] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 21:15 -!- qiy [~rusty2@user/scuttlecell] has joined #openbsd 21:15 -!- qiy is now known as moko 21:23 -!- christoff [~christoff@fang.deadbeef.monster] has joined #openbsd 21:27 -!- fgarcia [~lei@user/fgarcia] has quit [Quit: Remote host closed the connection] 21:28 -!- sonya [~nightwolf@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:28 -!- BillyZane2 [~BillyZane@user/BillyZane] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-171-97-85-24.revip8.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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