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03:44 < rnkn> if I put something in /etc/daily.local that echos output, should that send root an email?
03:45 < rnkn> I’m trying to get daily shasums of a few directories
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03:59 < rnkn> reading the script it seems it should
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04:29 < rnkn> I had screwed up my smtpd.conf
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08:31 < gipa> rnkn: I think this can be done without custom scripts: man changelist (you should have a backup of smtpd.conf in /var/backups too)
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09:08 < rnkn> gipa: ah cool I was not aware of the checksums (despite receiving them plenty of times). I guess for directories I can just glob them.
09:08 < rnkn> gipa: thanks!
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09:15 < rnkn> how's this for the tail of my changelist? https://termbin.com/oo12
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09:24 < gipa> rnkn: i think system bins are already checked with mtree: man security
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09:43 < rnkn> gipa: looking at /etc/mtree/special it looks like the system binary dirs are ignored?
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09:45 < rnkn> also no checksums. from the comments it appears one should create their own.
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09:47 < rnkn> created my besoke /etc/mtree/DIR.secure files :)
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11:17 < cli> My laptop on -current just panicked
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11:17 < cli> Blue message on the screen
11:18 < cli> Can I do anything useful here?
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11:26 < Guestmodinfo> are you dual booting? just asking because i ran current for 7 years. never the bluescreen
11:27 < cli> No
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11:28 < Guestmodinfo> is your hard disk crashed just now?
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11:28 < Guestmodinfo> my knowledge is till here only
11:31 < vortexx> cli: had you just upgraded with sysupgrade? You can run ps to see what was running but generally there's not much you can do apart from reporting it via bugs@ with a screenshot, I guess. Was it at boot or during normal operations?
11:31 < vortexx> these things happen on a regular basis with -current
11:33 < vortexx> rnkn: anything that goes in /etc/daily.local will be echoed in the daily email to root, yes. Same for /etc/weekly.local and /etc/monthly.local
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11:37 < cli> Guestmodinfo: No it is fine
11:37 < cli> I suppose
11:37 < cli> And relatively new...
11:38 < Guestmodinfo> ok
11:38 < cli> vortexx: I just rebooted... It didn't show me any prompt to type ps into though
11:38 < cli> But I set ddb.console=1 now
11:38 < cli> So that next time I can gather more info.
11:39 < cli> This is the second time this happened actually
11:40 < vortexx> iirc some people have archives of like last week's snapshots so you can downgrade and wait till whatever broke has been fixed 
11:41 < cli> I doubt that it is related to any recent snapshot
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11:41 < cli> First time this happened was maybe.... before 7.8-release?
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11:43 < vortexx> so is it at boot or when running the OS normally? Also does it happen under another OS so you can try and point at hw failing?
11:43 < vortexx> OpenBSD is good at making wonky hw fail instead of trying to run
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12:23 < rnkn> vortexx: thanks
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12:38 < vortexx> rnkn: yw
12:42 < cli> vortexx: this happened after un-hibernating
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13:13 < cli> After using it for 5 minutes or so
13:15 < vortexx> cli: it'd be worth reporting then. Can you reproduce?
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13:21 < cli> Not really... most of the time, it just works :')
13:22 < cli> I suppose I can send a dmesg with the panic message to bugs@?
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14:14 < vortexx> cli: well try hibernate and unhibernate and see if it happens (preferably running the same software you were when it crashed)? Yes to bugs@
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14:31 < opv> I'm looking for a config generator for sshd kexalgo and friend, something like Mozilla's TLS cipher generator. Or some other non-slop, up to date online resource. Can you point me to the light please? Thanks
14:37 < quinq> I don't think you need a generator for sshd, just configure the KexAlgorithms in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, no?
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14:37 < opv> well yeah but which should i choose?
14:39 < quinq> I'm sorry but I cannot decide this for you
14:39 < quinq> Why are you trying to change the defaults?
14:39 < sibiria> i go with one of the PQ ones (mlkem in my case) and a fallback to older exchange that works with e.g. linuces that are stuck in the past
14:39 < sibiria> the default of current version openssh does pretty much that, but includes a larger set
14:40 < opv> quinq: quite some years ago I tightened them down to cut down on bots. the recent introduction of the quantum warning reminded me that this should probably be updated
14:41 < opv> sibiria: exactly! if i want to tighten things down, i need to specify my own, which should those be, how do i know, how do i choose? i need some kind of source
14:42 < sibiria> my set is: mlkem768x25519-sha256,sntrup761x25519-sha512,sntrup761x25519-sha512@openssh.com,curve25519-sha256,curve25519-sha256@libssh.org
14:42 < sibiria> which is current default but without the older dh-exchanges involving NIST curves
14:43 < opv> i'll take it, your name is very familiar, i know you know your stuff
14:43 < opv> :D
14:43 < sibiria> it will allow older clients to negotiate with older curve25519 as fallback
14:43 < sibiria> pretty much everything should be able to connect
14:43 < opv> isn't 25519 the default?
14:44 < opv> also can you give me HKA, Cipher, Mac? currently I have 25519, cha20-poly1305 and hmac-sha2-512 respectively
14:44 < quinq> Default is: mlkem768x25519-sha256,sntrup761x25519-sha512,sntrup761x25519-sha512@openssh.com,curve25519-sha256,curve25519-sha256@libssh.org,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521
14:44 < opv> I would much appreciate
14:44 < sibiria> i'd say curve25519/ed25519 is the current best non-PQ offer. as of recent verisons of openssh, the PQ ones are first in line
14:44 < sibiria> so "older" isn't really a fair description for curve25519. it's current and by all accounts secure (just not PQ)
14:47 < sibiria> i don't edit the HKA, i just load only my ed25519 host key, which will result in pretty much only the ed25519 HKAs being in use
14:47 < sibiria> i don't use RSA keys anymore (while still being safe at larger sizes), so my pubkey accepted algos is "ssh-ed25519-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-ed25519"
14:48 < sibiria> ciphers, "Ciphers chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com,aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-ctr"
14:48 < sibiria> MAC i use the default
14:48 < opv> pubkey accepted algos? i don't think i have that setting... listen i don't want to spam the general chat, might it be reasonable to move this to dm?
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14:49 < sibiria> if you wish, sure
14:50 < quinq> Is that going to stop bots though?
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14:51 < thrig> libssh2 had trouble with some of the fancier keys and what last I looked, so fancy keys might exclude libssh2 based bots
14:51 < thrig> of course you might have filthy users running putty they downloaded from somewhere in 2006
14:51 < sibiria> imo RSA4096 is fine for decades to come. we are in fact not even close to breaking RSA2048
14:52 < lts-> Now, if we just could get relayd to support ECC keys..
14:52 < quinq> AFAIK, RSA4096 is the current standard for decade-long running systems
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14:58 < vortexx> speaking of ciphers, what's the best cipher for openvpn these days? 
14:58 < vortexx> (yes I still need that, I've never managed to get wg working on my linux laptop)
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15:03 < quinq> I use tinc
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15:06 < vortexx> thanks
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15:16 < byteskeptical> there was a pretty good talk about the general subject at defcon this year: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OkVYJx1iLNs
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16:38 < opv> quinq: limiting kexalgo to curve25519-sha256 used to, dk if still does
16:40 < opv> I've been wondering, we've gone from RSA to ED25519 for our SSH keys. My RSA key was much longer than my ED25519 key is. Unless I'm being completely stupid, a shorter key is faster/easier to bruteforce. So why/how is ed25519 still "better" i.e. more secure? is it post-quantum?
16:40 < lts-> opv: RSA-based cryptography vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic-curve_cryptography
16:41 < xx> and no, ed25519 is not post-quantum, but it doesn't matter
16:43 < sibiria> technically, without diving into what accelerators the NSA may or may not have, rsa 4096 is harder to brute-force than ed25519
16:44 < sibiria> some 30-odd symmetrical equivalent bits of extra key material
16:45 < sibiria> the shift towards EC is about computational efficiency on the server side
16:45 < sibiria> a lot faster to sign, though the verification takes more time than RSA
16:46 < sibiria> eases the burden by spreading the work out
16:46 < opv> i see, this makes a lot of sense, i understand
16:47 < lts-> I'd still like to see relayd supporting ECC keys. It uses LibreSSL so ECC support would be there, it just doesn't try
16:48 < thrig> patches or maintainers required
16:48 < sibiria> haproxy during the interim :p
16:49 < opv> it's been 2-3 releases since I tried, but relayd didn't do websockets over tls. ws fine but wss it would just error out. i don't think the software is being actively worked on is it
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