--- Log opened Thu Nov 20 00:00:21 2025 00:01 -!- r3d1n [~r3d1n@d-23-245-115-17.oh.cpe.breezeline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:02 -!- jedelava [~jedelava@46.20.166.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:02 < echelon> alright, got it working! 00:08 < mischief> \o/ 00:09 -!- CowboyNeal_ is now known as CowboyNeal 00:10 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@171.223.92.232] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 00:18 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 00:21 < Bradipo> echelon: You don't need to edit boot.conf to make the installer work, but you do need to set the com device before. 00:21 < Bradipo> boot.conf would be used after installation though. 00:21 < Bradipo> And you'll need to configure a tty in /etc/ttys to come up if you want a login on the tty. 00:22 -!- Bradipo [~Bradipo@50.77.44.29] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:22 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has joined #openbsd 00:24 -!- housemate [~housemate@202.7.247.155] has joined #openbsd 00:24 -!- housemate [~housemate@202.7.247.155] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 00:30 < thrig> I tty the fool 00:33 -!- housemate [~housemate@202.7.247.155] has joined #openbsd 00:34 -!- polarian [~polarian@znc.polarian.dev] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:34 -!- polarian [~polarian@znc.polarian.dev] has joined #openbsd 00:39 -!- uzuri [~uzuri@user/uzuri] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:43 -!- einyx [~einyx@2001:bc8:1210:8ea7:dc00:ff:fe8e:33bf] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:50 -!- daugaard [~daugaard@user/daugaard] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:56 -!- abcba [~abcba@46.191.233.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01 -!- abcba [~abcba@46.191.233.16] has joined #openbsd 01:07 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:08 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has joined #openbsd 01:09 -!- gumnos [~gumnos@2600:382:2b20:e359:ba70:f4ff:fe1e:1ef2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:09 -!- abcba [~abcba@46.191.233.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11 -!- gumnos [~gumnos@2600:382:2b23:1762:ba70:f4ff:fe1e:1ef2] has joined #openbsd 01:13 -!- abcba [~abcba@46.191.233.16] has joined #openbsd 01:13 -!- jedelava [~jedelava@46.20.166.115] has joined #openbsd 01:17 -!- OnASnoopPhone [~OnASnoopP@user/OnASnoopPhone] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:17 -!- LoungeTester [~TheLounge@99-126-28-177.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 01:21 -!- housemate [~housemate@202.7.247.155] has quit [Quit: “He who has had the self-dignity to respect, never harm, nor speak badly about others, deserves the right to be left alone.” ~ H.S.T.] 01:23 -!- emmanuelux [~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26 -!- housemate [~housemate@202.7.247.155] has joined #openbsd 01:27 -!- witcher [~witcher@2001:4090:e007:9581:8176:68da:d892:ddde] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:31 < ssm_> puffybuf: yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! security!!!!!!!!!!!!! 01:32 < ssm_> I'm using www/firefox-esr with arkenfox user.js, which still works with extenions 01:33 < ssm_> it's not as plug&play as something like librewolf, but we don't have a port for that... 01:43 -!- nature [~nature@138.51.51.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:44 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has quit [Quit: ublx] 01:50 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has quit [Quit: BitchX: ..: brb] 01:53 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has joined #openbsd 01:59 -!- OnASnoopPhone [~OnASnoopP@user/OnASnoopPhone] has joined #openbsd 02:03 -!- xse [~xse@krkrkr.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03 -!- OnASnoopPhone [~OnASnoopP@user/OnASnoopPhone] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:04 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 02:05 -!- xse [~xse@krkrkr.org] has joined #openbsd 02:13 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 02:13 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has joined #openbsd 02:16 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has quit [Client Quit] 02:22 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has joined #openbsd 02:22 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22 -!- emmanuelux [~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux] has joined #openbsd 02:27 -!- OnASnoopPhone [~OnASnoopP@user/OnASnoopPhone] has joined #openbsd 02:31 -!- Guestmodinfo [~chatzilla@2401:4900:88aa:f47e:ad2d:ffdd:1916:fec5] has joined #openbsd 02:32 -!- OnASnoopPhone [~OnASnoopP@user/OnASnoopPhone] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:33 -!- Guestmodinfo [~chatzilla@2401:4900:88aa:f47e:ad2d:ffdd:1916:fec5] has quit [Changing host] 02:33 -!- Guestmodinfo [~chatzilla@user/Guestmodinfo] has joined #openbsd 02:33 -!- nature [~nature@64.137.144.64] has joined #openbsd 02:33 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has quit [Quit: ..: die bastards!@#&!#] 02:34 < mischief> i've never used anything but vanilla firefox or chromium, am i missing out on something 02:35 -!- EtherNet [~ethernet@user/ethernet] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:35 -!- OnASnoopPhone [~OnASnoopP@user/OnASnoopPhone] has joined #openbsd 02:40 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 02:40 -!- EtherNet [~ethernet@user/ethernet] has joined #openbsd 02:41 -!- jitter [~jitter@user/jitter] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:42 < TommyC> You're missing out on Chromium variants! 02:42 < pardis> yes, lots of brokenness and being several releases behind upstream 02:42 -!- jitter [~jitter@149.233.150.135.dynamic-pppoe.dt.ipv4.wtnet.de] has joined #openbsd 02:42 -!- jitter [~jitter@149.233.150.135.dynamic-pppoe.dt.ipv4.wtnet.de] has quit [Changing host] 02:42 -!- jitter [~jitter@user/jitter] has joined #openbsd 02:44 -!- OnASnoopPhone [~OnASnoopP@user/OnASnoopPhone] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:46 -!- uzuri [~uzuri@user/uzuri] has joined #openbsd 02:47 < mischief> so not much 02:50 -!- OnASnoopPhone [~OnASnoopP@user/OnASnoopPhone] has joined #openbsd 02:51 < Guestmodinfo> you can Seamonkey. it gives you wordwrap out of the box which is cool for reading safer websites because i dont know how much behind sea monkey is than firefox. i use all kinds of browsers 02:52 < Guestmodinfo> sorry i forgot seamonkey isnt available on OpenBSd 02:54 < TommyC> Guestmodinfo: What is the "latest and greatest" browser at the moment that does allow adblocking? 02:54 < TommyC> (doesn't have to be available on OpenBSD) 02:54 < pardis> what are you talking about? there is a seamonkey package readily findable with pkg_info 02:55 < Guestmodinfo> during my time on OpenBSD two years ago maybe it was not available or maybe it was not updated 02:55 -!- OnASnoopPhone [~OnASnoopP@user/OnASnoopPhone] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:55 < pardis> initial commit to the port Makefile was in 2006 02:57 < Guestmodinfo> No idea as im not an expert but ppl go for brave or vivaldi these days. you can try qutebrowser. Its on openbsd. I still use it 02:59 < Guestmodinfo> i think im wrong about the unavailability of seamonkey. Sorry, i confused its availability with palemoon 02:59 -!- emmanuelux [~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00 -!- nsuperbus [~nsuperbus@host-46-251-26-104.kabelnet.hu] has quit [Quit: goodbye] 03:00 -!- emmanuelux [~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux] has joined #openbsd 03:02 -!- nsuperbus [~nsuperbus@host-46-251-26-104.kabelnet.hu] has joined #openbsd 03:02 < thrig> what about the ajarscow browser? 03:07 -!- emmanuelux [~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09 -!- tuftedocelot [~tuftedoce@46.23.87.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:17 < ssm_> search engine returns nothing relevant. is this ligma? is this bofa browser? only available for sawcon subscribers? 03:20 -!- tuftedocelot [~tuftedoce@46.23.87.57] has joined #openbsd 03:24 < humm> Guestmodinfo: What is the "latest and greatest" browser at the moment that does allow adblocking? 03:24 < humm> firefox 03:25 < mischief> i do use firefox with ublock, seems fine 03:25 < humm> (or dillo or the like by virtue of not supporting the js needed by many ads) 03:25 < pardis> +1, web browsers are a solved problem, which is why none of them ever have new features, only new gimmicks 03:25 < mischief> it would be hilarious if there was actually a browser called ligma or bofa 03:26 < humm> “solved problem,” nonsense 03:27 < humm> they’re heavyweight, they don’t show all the metadata embedded in pages, they don’t render pages not using css very nicely 03:28 < pardis> I should clarify, I mean they were a solved problem in about 1993 03:28 < pardis> now they have lots of extra stuff that does not involve solving that problem for some reason 03:33 -!- witcher [~witcher@2001:4090:e007:9581:90f6:714b:1d0:6267] has joined #openbsd 03:36 -!- ogopogo [~ogopogo@2806:2f0:a6c1:e9cd::5] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:40 -!- dinowilliam [~dinowilli@user/DINOWILLIAM] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:44 -!- Minall [~user@user/Minall] has joined #openbsd 03:44 -!- tvtoon [~The_cUnix@user/tvtoon] has quit [Quit: "Go, King of Dump!"] 03:46 -!- tuftedocelot [~tuftedoce@46.23.87.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52 -!- _zip100 [~zip100@185.209.196.202] has joined #openbsd 03:53 -!- zip100 [~zip100@185.209.196.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:56 -!- ArchCezar [~archcezar@83.21.234.201.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:56 -!- LoungeTester [~TheLounge@99-126-28-177.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat] 03:58 -!- ArchCezar [~archcezar@83.21.220.134.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has joined #openbsd 04:06 -!- artmdl [~art5456@d173-183-34-71.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:11 < uzuri> TommyC: i would say ungoogled-chromium and its available on openbsd 04:11 -!- mover [~hischild@user/mover] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:13 < uzuri> humm: even theo himself said how firefox lacks in security compared to chromium 04:15 < uzuri> and yeah also the Mozilla foundation is literally destroying itself, sad to see 04:17 -!- tuftedocelot [~tuftedoce@46.23.87.57] has joined #openbsd 04:18 -!- tuftedocelot [~tuftedoce@46.23.87.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19 -!- tuftedocelot [~tuftedoce@46.23.87.57] has joined #openbsd 04:38 < Minall> uzuri: Oh that's interesting. I though firefox was better security wise. 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Have you seen the README for ungoogled-chromium? 10:04 -!- gumnos [~gumnos@2600:382:2b20:1161:ba70:f4ff:fe1e:1ef2] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:06 -!- gumnos [~gumnos@2600:382:2b21:51d4:ba70:f4ff:fe1e:1ef2] has joined #openbsd 10:07 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@58.136.30.173] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Pretty sure everything stays in the .config/ungoogled-chromium directory 11:57 -!- agentcasey_ [~agentcase@99-106-182-62.lightspeed.elpstx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 11:58 -!- agentcasey [~agentcase@2600:1702:d70:4520::12] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:00 * hisacro_ high waves 12:00 < IcePic> hi 5 12:00 < hisacro_> I recently got a toughpad to try obsd 12:01 < hisacro_> retiring my x201 after all these years 12:01 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd 12:01 * hisacro_ excited for the weekend :) 12:02 -!- dinowilliam [~dinowilli@user/DINOWILLIAM] has joined #openbsd 12:03 < hisacro_> it's not in the hardware list though, https://bsd-hardware.info/?view=computers&vendor=Panasonic 12:03 < hisacro_> I will try out and see 12:06 -!- BillyZane [~BillyZane@user/BillyZane] has joined #openbsd 12:06 < IcePic> hisacro_: did not find any toughpad on NYCBSDs dmesgd board, but some toughbook doing obsd https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/dmesgd?do=view&id=6074 12:07 -!- BillyZane2 [~BillyZane@user/BillyZane] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08 < hisacro_> yeah it's not on the list 12:08 < hisacro_> I will find out the hard way /o\ 12:09 < IcePic> often most stuff on normal laptops work ok 12:10 < IcePic> some special stuff like "we have a super odd wifi card" and you get to buy a small usb-wifi dongle or so 12:11 < IcePic> or like the amd64 HP laptop johan@ donated to miod@ which had a odd temp reader which gave back values 100x the read degrees so obsd found the cpu to be 5000 degrees according to the temp sensor and did a quick thermal shutdown to protect the machine 12:11 < IcePic> so the winders temp driver knew it would lie like that, but obsd didn't at the time 12:11 < hisacro_> this has intel everything 12:12 < hisacro_> actually I read in mailing list (I guess), no of good things about this particular one 12:12 < hisacro_> weirdly dmesg is not published yet 12:13 * oldlaptop would reckon it's a little too late for thermal shutdowns if the machine is melting tungsten 12:13 < oldlaptop> but of course the software can't reckon like that 12:15 < oldlaptop> (if anything it needs to "reckon" that "hmm, no, it's not plausible that the computer is at surface-of-the-Sun or liquid-helium temperatures, the sensors must not be working and I should therefore shut down to protect the machine") 12:17 < IcePic> oldlaptop: from ST:TNG https://youtu.be/pu8JjjESu-I?si=lgYBjYA8xpvb0Uuw&t=59 12:17 < IcePic> right before you ask the computer if this is reasonable or not ;) 12:18 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:20 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 12:24 -!- zwr [~zwr@201-32-51-248.user3p.vtal.net.br] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:24 -!- zwr [~zwr@201-32-51-248.user3p.vtal.net.br] has joined #openbsd 12:26 -!- SirJitsu [~SirJitsu@162-231-111-175.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:27 -!- SirJitsu [~SirJitsu@162-231-111-175.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 12:29 -!- uzuri [~uzuri@user/uzuri] has joined #openbsd 12:32 -!- slimeyballs [~Username@67.183.133.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32 -!- slimeyballs [~Username@67.183.133.197] has joined #openbsd 12:34 -!- echelon [~steerpike@gateway/tor-sasl/steerpike] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34 < oldlaptop> 3D printers (at least the ones set up to minimize customer house fires instead of Amazon returns) will refuse to operate even if their sensors are correctly reading "below freezing, because you're in an unheated shop in the winter" 12:34 -!- echelon [~steerpike@gateway/tor-sasl/steerpike] has joined #openbsd 12:37 -!- edthix [~Thunderbi@60.48.88.84] has quit [Quit: edthix] 12:44 -!- slimeyballs [~Username@67.183.133.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:44 -!- slimeyballs [~Username@67.183.133.197] has joined #openbsd 12:44 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd 12:45 -!- slimeyballs [~Username@67.183.133.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46 -!- slimeyballs [~Username@2601:601:d078:1370:e8f9:183b:dd17:4bc3] has joined #openbsd 12:46 -!- slimeyballs [~Username@2601:601:d078:1370:e8f9:183b:dd17:4bc3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48 -!- slimeyballs [~Username@2601:601:d078:1370:9558:4391:f3af:8537] has joined #openbsd 12:48 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@mx-ll-171.6.147-63.dynamic.3bb.co.th] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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16:23 < Bradipo> That would be impressive to have an ircd that runs OpenBSD... that would be just as bad as WASM for the browser, I guess. 16:24 -!- joe9 [~joe@c-73-24-194-198.hsd1.az.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:24 < luna__> Bradipo: well running on top off 16:24 < luna__> of* 16:25 -!- atypicalscholar [~atypicals@213.233.104.214] has joined #openbsd 16:27 -!- adip [~adip@c145-48.icpnet.pl] has joined #openbsd 16:36 < echelon> Bradipo: my system was going into a boot loop cycle without editing the boot.conf and adding com0 on the usb installer 16:37 < Bradipo> Well, did you interrupt at the boot> prompt to set it? 16:37 < Bradipo> But yeah, I suppose boot.conf works. 16:37 < echelon> there was a boot command? 16:38 < Bradipo> Well, boot.conf just configures "boot commands". 16:38 < echelon> ah 16:38 < Bradipo> As long as you can see the boot> prompt you can enter those commands manually. 16:38 -!- atypicalscholar [~atypicals@213.233.104.214] has quit [Quit: Client 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If I hold reset when powering on the led flashes amber perpetually, but no tftpd logs. I tested locally and I could hit it fine and generate the logs in tftpd fetching the binfile, I don't know. 16:46 -!- OnASnoopPhone [~OnASnoopP@user/OnASnoopPhone] has joined #openbsd 16:46 < Bradipo> What about tcpdump? 16:46 < sibiria> i wonder if you're sniffing the right way 16:46 < sibiria> tftp is udp, not tcp 16:46 < sibiria> port 69 iirc 16:47 < Bradipo> You can use tcpdump to sniff tftp traffic, I've done it dozens of times. 16:47 -!- oxzi [~oxzi@marohu.lurk.space] has joined #openbsd 16:48 < sibiria> sure; "udp and dst port 69", in plain inconvenience 16:48 < riceandbeans> Well, I'm watching the tftpd server logs and there's just nothing happening, but I guess I didn't think to watch for raw packets. 16:49 < sibiria> throw "-T tftp" onto tcpdump as well to have it unwrap and explain packets a bit 16:49 < riceandbeans> I didn't know you could do that.... 16:49 < Bradipo> tcpdump has been very helpful to me when diagnosing tftp issues. 16:49 < sibiria> useful sometimes for 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[~atypicals@213.233.104.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:35 -!- km [~km@c978F5BC1.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #openbsd 17:49 -!- dinowilliam [~dinowilli@user/DINOWILLIAM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50 -!- librecat [uid714233@id-714233.helmsley.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:50 < riceandbeans> So, I hung out for 15 minutes doing a tcpdump and I didn't log a single packet from the router to my box 17:52 -!- modev [~modev@93.89.107.210] has joined #openbsd 17:56 < fro> wild 17:57 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@171.223.92.232] has joined #openbsd 17:57 -!- modev [~modev@93.89.107.210] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.7.0] 17:58 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has quit [Quit: Life beckons] 17:58 < thrig> or there were packets but the terminal buffered them 17:59 -!- atypicalscholar [~atypicals@213.233.104.214] has joined #openbsd 17:59 < sibiria> thusly, the device is not speaking tftp. at least not in your direction 17:59 -!- 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Also what's the ip of your tftp server? Tplink devices in tftp boot mode want to access 192.168.0.66/24 18:12 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-223-24-192-254.revip6.asianet.co.th] has joined #openbsd 18:17 < sibiria> riceandbeans: i'd check the ToH on openwrt.org first, to be sure that specific model is even supported 18:17 < sibiria> if it is, i'd look at the specifics of the installation instructions. sometimes it gets a bit wild and convoluted 18:18 -!- PyR3X_ is now known as PyR3X 18:19 < riceandbeans> I specifically bought an ax80 and did make the server be 192.168.0.66/24 18:26 -!- skydrome [~emordyks@user/skydrome] has quit [Quit: quit] 18:26 -!- skydrome [~emordyks@user/skydrome] has joined #openbsd 18:27 -!- elarks [~yerri@user/yerrii] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.7.1] 18:28 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-223-24-192-254.revip6.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:29 -!- rfmoz [~rfmoz@static-145-126-230-77.ipcom.comunitel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29 < cgnarne> https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=commit;h=8b24289a5267e486abd9ccbf4b4ad82f14d545ae 18:33 < riceandbeans> Would a workstation with a cat5 directly into the router count as UART? 18:34 < cgnarne> no. not at all 18:34 -!- elarks [~yerri@user/yerrii] has joined #openbsd 18:36 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-223-24-192-254.revip6.asianet.co.th] has joined #openbsd 18:42 < cgnarne> to get at the uart you may have to open the case. but at this point i'm just guessing 18:45 < riceandbeans> This sounds like a bigger pain in the ass than a hemorrhoid 18:50 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-223-24-192-254.revip6.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:59 -!- rebo2 [~Rebo@h-98-128-174-229.A785.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:59 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59 < cgnarne> yeah 19:00 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 19:03 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-58-11-158-244.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #openbsd 19:05 -!- _wnh_ [~Thunderbi@user/wnh] has joined #openbsd 19:06 -!- skippy8 [~skippy8@185.224.112.81] has joined #openbsd 19:15 -!- rebo [~Rebo@h-98-128-174-229.A785.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openbsd 19:17 -!- Lotsen [~lotsen@user/Lotsen] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18 -!- gotohello [~gotohello@user/gotohello] has joined #openbsd 19:19 -!- lotsen [~lotsen@user/Lotsen] has joined #openbsd 19:22 -!- wmcd [~sombrero@user/sombrero] has joined #openbsd 19:22 -!- wmcd is now known as sombrero 19:27 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has joined #openbsd 19:32 < vortexx> I didn't know this was #openwrt, that's quite the typo :P 19:34 < cgnarne> the keys are like right next to each other 19:36 < cgnarne> anyway, i'm still a bit mad at theo for breaking my yubikey setup with 7.8, i need to find another use for it now 19:38 -!- lotsen [~lotsen@user/Lotsen] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has joined #openbsd 19:42 -!- sombrero [~sombrero@user/sombrero] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42 -!- wmcd [~sombrero@user/sombrero] has joined #openbsd 19:42 -!- wmcd is now known as sombrero 19:49 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.7.1] 19:49 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has joined #openbsd 19:50 -!- lotsen [~lotsen@user/Lotsen] has joined #openbsd 19:51 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has quit [Client Quit] 19:51 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has joined #openbsd 19:52 < riceandbeans> vortexx: if you look at the dvorak layout it's a simple mistake 19:52 < vortexx> riceandbeans: :( 19:52 < vortexx> I wonder what it's like on beppo 19:52 < vortexx> not that there's beppo for swiss french 19:52 -!- gotohello [~gotohello@user/gotohello] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:53 < riceandbeans> What's beppo? 19:57 -!- gotohello [~gotohello@user/gotohello] has joined #openbsd 20:04 < vortexx> french equivalent of dvorak 20:05 -!- stuart [~stuart@2001:4091:a246:844c:88b2:6144:90a3:e88] has joined #openbsd 20:07 < thrig> dvorak had a new world symphony, what did beppo compose? 20:10 -!- stuart_ [~stuart@195.52.168.90] has joined #openbsd 20:11 -!- gotohello [~gotohello@user/gotohello] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:13 < ssm_> ANSI keyboards can't compose 20:14 -!- stuart [~stuart@2001:4091:a246:844c:88b2:6144:90a3:e88] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:14 < riceandbeans> I see what you did there. 20:20 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-58-11-158-244.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:24 -!- stuart_ [~stuart@195.52.168.90] has quit [] 20:25 < uzuri> is dvorak worth it? im still young 20:25 < vortexx> mh I'm getting a weird dpb error, I'm passing as usual -P path/mylistofpkgs and it's not liking it one bit 20:25 < uzuri> cgnarne: how did he break it? 20:25 < vortexx> which was working last time I rebuilt the pkg builder vm 20:26 -!- ixc [~ixc@user/ixc] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:30 < cgnarne> uzuri: he touched his yubikey by accident one time too many and got the ccccc string of death. that annoyed him so much that he decided to not attach yubikeys in otp mode to ukbd anymore 20:31 < cgnarne> and that makes login_yubikey useless, which makes my yubikey useless, which makes me sad 20:32 < cgnarne> see here: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=175518230509430&w=2 20:32 < dennis> login_yubikey isn't useless! I still use it! 20:32 < dennis> over ssh 20:32 < ssm_> uzuri: vi and emacs bindings work fine on dvorak. hjkl is a bit weird but it's not bad. I can comfortably play roguelikes on it 20:32 -!- jalfresi [~bendavies@224.186.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openbsd 20:33 < cgnarne> dennis: i'm happy for you, really. 20:33 < ssm_> though note I only started using !windows after learning dvorak, so how it compares to qwerty I can't say 20:35 < riceandbeans> uzuri: dvorak delayed ( imo ) the extent of carpal tunnel on my hands by several years, and I improved my typing speed. That said, any time I got stuck having to use a console or install a system and remember the qwerty layout it was a sad day 20:36 < ssm_> yes. having qwerty printed keys on your keyboard is extremely useful for the (surprisingly common) situation you're stuck without dvorak because qwerty is default 20:36 < ssm_> I made that mistake with a custom keyboard I ordered with blank keycaps, and getting stuck with qwerty on bsd.rd for example is "fun" 20:37 -!- senninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37 < cgnarne> uzuri: after that he trolled the ml with ccccc strings whenever someone complained, which was quite funny tbh 20:37 -!- senninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd 20:39 < ssm_> having to rebind WASD-based movement games is a perpetual annoyance if you play a lot of games. openbsd doesn't have many of those so it's not a huge deal, games/openmw being the main offender I can think of 20:39 < ssm_> or if you don't just use openbsd. but why would you do that? 20:39 -!- nerfur_ [~nerfur@user/nerfur] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40 -!- znedw454 [~znedw@2400:a846:4040::f61] has quit [Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat] 20:42 < vortexx> ssm_: learning qwerty across the world is kinda compulsory for sysadmins because every OS defaults to it 20:42 < vortexx> and you better know the layout despite your keyboard 20:45 < vortexx> in other news I got devolo 2400Mbps powerline adapters to link my lounge (which has the homelab server and the uplink) to my office, I got one APU2 to iperf3 at 200Mbyte/s to another over the powerline, not bad 20:45 -!- absc [~absc@2a04:ee41:8:6055::101] has joined #openbsd 20:45 < vortexx> [ 5] 0.00-10.07 sec 252 MBytes 210 Mbits/sec receiver 20:45 < vortexx> actually 252, even better 20:45 < vortexx> err 210 20:45 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46 < ssm_> if you use a clickslop OS you can get to keyboard settings using only the cursor about 5 submenus deep into system settings. on openbsd it's 14 keypresses after hitting shell. on linux it's uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 20:46 -!- znedw4542 [~znedw@2400:a846:4040::f61] has joined #openbsd 20:47 -!- jerryf [~jerryf@user/jerryf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47 -!- jerryf [~jerryf@user/jerryf] has joined #openbsd 20:48 < vortexx> ssm_: you mean at install? 20:48 < ssm_> but yes there's definitely value in making sure you don't forget qwerty after switching to dvorak. and it's very easy to forget, at least for me; I forgot qwerty basically immediately after I cold-turkey'd 20:48 < vortexx> not that hard on linux 20:49 < vortexx> usually language + keyboard is the first question 20:50 < ssm_> the equivalent of `kbd us.dvorak[.metaesc]` on lunix 20:54 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has joined #openbsd 21:01 -!- gotohello [~gotohello@user/gotohello] has joined #openbsd 21:04 -!- atypicalscholar [~atypicals@213.233.104.214] has joined #openbsd 21:05 -!- jab [~user@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06 -!- chiselfuse [~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06 -!- chiselfuse [~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse] has joined #openbsd 21:10 -!- atypicalscholar [~atypicals@213.233.104.214] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:11 -!- bigato [~bigato@170.81.150.196] has joined #openbsd 21:11 -!- bigato [~bigato@170.81.150.196] has quit [Changing host] 21:11 -!- bigato [~bigato@user/bigato] has joined #openbsd 21:14 -!- |darc|- [darc@23-112-65-16.lightspeed.nworla.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: later] 21:14 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 21:15 -!- SirJitsu1 [~SirJitsu@162-231-111-175.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:17 -!- zcram [~zcram@user/zcram] has quit [Quit: Do the right thing.] 21:19 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-84-59-127.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:20 -!- polarian_ [~polarian@znc.polarian.dev] has joined #openbsd 21:20 -!- polarian [~polarian@znc.polarian.dev] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20 -!- polarian_ is now known as polarian 21:21 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:22 -!- artmdl [~art5456@d173-183-34-71.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openbsd 21:25 < eea> TIL openbsd not quite nerd cred enough without dvorak 21:25 < eea> but but my ergonomic kb only speaks qwerty ;P 21:27 -!- antranigv [~antranigv@bsd.am] has joined #openbsd 21:28 -!- antranig- [~antranigv@bsd.am] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:29 -!- niftily [~niftily@user/niftily] has joined #openbsd 21:29 -!- |darc|- [darc@23-112-65-16.lightspeed.nworla.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 21:30 -!- lotsen is now known as Lotsen 21:30 -!- |darc|- [darc@23-112-65-16.lightspeed.nworla.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30 -!- jalfresi [~bendavies@224.186.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:34 -!- |darc|- [darc@23-112-65-16.lightspeed.nworla.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 21:40 -!- niftily [~niftily@user/niftily] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:47 -!- jgh_ [~jgh@hellmouth.gulag.org.uk] has joined #openbsd 21:48 -!- jgh [~jgh@hellmouth.gulag.org.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:49 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:50 -!- uzuri [~uzuri@user/uzuri] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51 -!- emmanuelux [~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux] has joined #openbsd 21:51 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has joined #openbsd 21:53 < echelon> hi, how do i check why unbound is failing to start? 21:53 < echelon> i checked /var/log/messages and not seeing anything 21:55 < phy1729> I'd start it manually with -d and perhaps some number of -v 21:57 < echelon> looks fine https://pastee.dev/r/X7bCDCCZ 21:57 < echelon> wait, what buffer space 22:00 < echelon> under what stanza should i set so-sndbuf: 0 22:02 < echelon> phy1729: yeah, i don't understand what's happening https://pastee.dev/r/6bDim3Kb 22:03 < echelon> srw-rw---- 1 _unbound _unbound 0 Nov 20 14:59 /var/run/unbound.sock 22:05 < echelon> error: can't bind socket: Permission denied for 0.0.0.0 port 53 (len 16) 22:05 < echelon> how do i give _unbound permission to occupy port 53 22:06 -!- Lotsen [~lotsen@user/Lotsen] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07 < sibiria> do you by chance have something else already listening there? 22:07 < sibiria> like unwind 22:07 < echelon> no, is that something that's enabled by default? 22:07 < sibiria> no 22:08 < humm> echelon: _unbound doesn’t need that permission, you start unbound as root and it drops to _unbound after binding the socket 22:08 < sibiria> unbound will start as root, open a listening socket, then drop its permissions 22:08 < echelon> well it's not running, and it runs fine when i run it as root 22:08 -!- lotsen [~lotsen@user/Lotsen] has joined #openbsd 22:08 < echelon> oh 22:09 < echelon> well that was the error i got when i did `doas -u _unbound unbound -d -vvv` 22:10 -!- zenptr [~zenptr@user/zenptr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:10 < echelon> so i'm guessing it's something else 22:11 < echelon> unbound-checkconf: no errors in /var/unbound/etc/unbound.conf 22:12 -!- sonya [~nightwolf@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12 < echelon> i just ran.. /usr/sbin/unbound -c /var/unbound/etc/unbound.conf 22:12 < echelon> and i see the process is running.. _unbound 80424 0.2 0.4 11740 9192 ?? Sc 3:09PM 0:00.06 /usr/sbin/unbound -c /var/unbound/etc/unbound.conf 22:12 < echelon> is there something wrong with the rc script? 22:12 -!- zenptr [~zenptr@user/zenptr] has joined #openbsd 22:13 < echelon> https://pastee.dev/p/dRh5tPDX 22:14 < echelon> local _anchor=$(/usr/sbin/unbound-checkconf -o auto-trust-anchor-file) ...doesn't return anything 22:19 < humm> echelon: did you change anything in unbound.conf? 22:19 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 22:21 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:21 < echelon> humm: yes 22:21 < echelon> lots of things 22:23 < humm> well, did you remove or blank out auto-trust-anchor-file? 22:24 -!- sonya [~nightwolf@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has joined #openbsd 22:26 -!- sonya [~nightwolf@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has quit [Client Quit] 22:26 < echelon> humm: https://pastee.dev/r/bWOZurUa 22:27 < echelon> no, i don't even know what that is 22:27 < humm> there you have the issue 22:27 < humm> now you can decide if you want to figure it out or modify the rc.d script or whatever 22:27 -!- CrashOverride [~strcat@p548554a8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:27 < echelon> how do i turn off dnssec validation 22:28 < sibiria> comment out the root-hints and auto-trust-anchor-file settings 22:29 < humm> why do you believe you have dnssec validation turned on? 22:29 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29 < echelon> auto-trust-anchor-file: "/var/unbound/db/root.key" line is right below this line.. # Perform DNSSEC validation. 22:29 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 22:30 < echelon> sibiria: i don't see any "root-hints" 22:30 < sibiria> also "trust-anchor-file" 22:30 < echelon> sibiria: this is literally all i have https://pastee.dev/r/bWOZurUa 22:30 < sibiria> just giving the various options that are involved, in case you're not running the default conf 22:31 < sibiria> if that's the config then it shouldn't be doing dnssec validation 22:31 < echelon> well, i don't know why else unbound would be failing to start 22:34 < echelon> if i run it manually it works fine.. 22:34 < sibiria> what are the perms of your log/ dir? 22:34 < echelon> https://pastee.dev/r/5Oe88NyA 22:35 < sibiria> make log/ _unbound-group-owned and writable 22:35 < echelon> /var/unbound doesn't even have a log file 22:36 < echelon> this was a fresh install, so i'm guessing it was an issue right out of the box 22:36 < sibiria> i have some memory in the back of my head about this 22:36 < sibiria> so... install -o root -g _unbound -m 660 -d log 22:37 < echelon> you mean 770? 22:37 < sibiria> 770* yes, typo 22:37 < sibiria> or you could: logfile: "" 22:38 < echelon> nope, that didn't do it :/ 22:38 < echelon> still says debug: switching log to syslog 22:41 < echelon> sibiria: i tried logfile: "" and made some progress https://pastee.dev/r/ApwILCIP 22:41 < echelon> but rc start script still fails 22:42 < echelon> no config, using builtin root hints. ? 22:45 < echelon> oh, unbound.conf is owned by root:wheel 22:45 < echelon> eh 22:45 < echelon> it's 644, so it should still be able to read it 22:46 < dg> rcctl -d start unbound ? 22:47 -!- rc [~rc@user/rc] has joined #openbsd 22:47 < echelon> dg: https://pastee.dev/r/Kf1X5fFg 22:48 < echelon> why is it showing usage flags 22:48 < dg> what's in unbound_flags in rc.conf.local? 22:49 < dg> I think you have YES, you just want a line with literally "unbound_flags=" 22:49 < echelon> OH! 22:49 < dg> (man rc.conf.local, /^EXAMPLES) 22:50 < echelon> sorry for the trouble folks :/ 22:50 -!- kaotica [~user@user/d4q] has joined #openbsd 22:50 < kaotica> can i confugure my openbsd install to run ovr ssh 22:50 < kaotica> i would need this if i sam to install it on my raspi 22:51 < echelon> you dd the install img while it's booted 22:51 < echelon> you can* 22:51 < echelon> but you would need some way of consoling into the raspi when it's time to reboot 22:52 < kaotica> ah hmm 22:52 < echelon> you could probably get a kvm hat for your pi, but this sounds like it would just be a one time thing 22:53 < dg> it would be possible to write an autoinstall file and make it automatically install 22:53 < vortexx> kaotica: it'd be easier to preinstall via qemu or similar then dd over. Otherwise man install.site 22:53 < dg> it is probably less effort to plug the pi into a screen/keyboard though 22:53 < vortexx> and man autoinstall 22:54 < kaotica> can i instal directly onto the sdhc while its conncted to my pc 22:54 * kaotica wonders 22:54 < dg> some adaptation of this: https://jcs.org/2014/09/12/remotely_installing_openbsd_qemu 22:55 < vortexx> there's probably something on tumfagtig too 22:55 < dg> kaotica: i do have to ask why it is so difficult to plug a screen into your pi though? 22:55 < vortexx> dg: maybe it's remote 22:56 < kaotica> dg: dont have any screeens 22:56 < dg> hdmi capture device? 22:57 -!- jgh_ [~jgh@hellmouth.gulag.org.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57 < dg> if not you can get one for not many dollars and use anything with usb as a screen 22:57 -!- jgh_ [~jgh@hellmouth.gulag.org.uk] has joined #openbsd 22:57 -!- tvtoon [~The_cUnix@user/tvtoon] has joined #openbsd 22:59 < echelon> can't you configure rpis to use serial over usb 22:59 < echelon> or is that within the os only 23:02 -!- loser_ [~loser@2804:7f0:6400:bc4f:fb31:3c81:62c8:6c6e] has joined #openbsd 23:03 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 23:03 < vortexx> echelon: most likely OS only but might depend on the model, lemme check 23:05 -!- absc [~absc@2a04:ee41:8:6055::101] has quit [Quit: Got to go. irctk 1.1.0-beta] 23:05 < vortexx> kaotica: model of rpi please? 23:05 -!- ander_ [~ander@2804:7f0:6400:bc4f:1060:dd14:db45:7f89] has joined #openbsd 23:05 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.7.1] 23:06 < echelon> well, if you could just alter the /etc/boot.conf file on the installer image to use serial as well, that should get him console once openbsd boots back up 23:06 < vortexx> yeah 23:07 < vortexx> but this really is what autoinstall and install.site are for 23:07 -!- ander_ [~ander@2804:7f0:6400:bc4f:1060:dd14:db45:7f89] has left #openbsd [] 23:07 < vortexx> especially if the rpi is just going to be connnected via lan, not anything else 23:08 < kaotica> vortexx: 2w zrero 23:08 < kaotica> zero 23:08 < vortexx> ok you're in even more restriced land with that iirc 23:08 < echelon> yeah 23:09 < echelon> your best bet is serial over usb 23:09 -!- ander_ [~ander@2804:7f0:6400:bc4f:1060:dd14:db45:7f89] has joined #openbsd 23:09 < vortexx> https://www.openbsd.org/arm64.html rpi zero isn't supported 23:09 -!- Pixi` is now known as Pixi 23:09 -!- ander_ [~ander@2804:7f0:6400:bc4f:1060:dd14:db45:7f89] has quit [Client Quit] 23:09 < vortexx> but someone has done it before 23:10 -!- loser_ [~loser@2804:7f0:6400:bc4f:fb31:3c81:62c8:6c6e] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:11 < vortexx> https://www.tumfatig.net/2023/running-openbsd-on-raspberry-pi-zero-2-w/ 23:12 < vortexx> yadda yadda not official but most of his content is legit 23:13 < echelon> no mention of whether wireless works 23:13 < vortexx> echo "set tty fb0" >> /mnt/usb/etc/boot.conf <-- presumably this line can be altered to set tty com0 23:13 < vortexx> if there is even a uart 23:13 < vortexx> won't make much of a difference if unattended 23:14 -!- gotohello [~gotohello@user/gotohello] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:15 < vortexx> echelon: it doesn't back in 7.4, probably won't 23:15 < vortexx> broadcom :P 23:16 < echelon> :/ 23:16 < vortexx> kaotica: all that prep stuff at the beginning with adding firmware, that's when you set it all up for autoinstall. Should work fine 23:20 -!- johnzlly [~johnzlly@user/johnzlly] has joined #openbsd 23:21 < thrig> "'fine' isn't in your vocabulary" -- someone in "Fifth Element" 23:22 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30 < vortexx> "fine" is usually a female term for saying "I'm feeling awful but I don't care to share it with you" :P 23:30 < humm> s/female/human/ 23:31 < vortexx> lol, triggered 23:33 -!- jpoc_ [~jpoc@centos/qa/jpoc] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in] 23:39 -!- jpoc [~jpoc@centos/qa/jpoc] has joined #openbsd 23:41 -!- jgh_ [~jgh@hellmouth.gulag.org.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41 -!- OnASnoopPhone [~OnASnoopP@user/OnASnoopPhone] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:42 -!- jgh [~jgh@hellmouth.gulag.org.uk] has joined #openbsd 23:44 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has joined #openbsd 23:46 -!- skippy8 [~skippy8@185.224.112.81] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.7.1] 23:50 < ssm_> seems it triggered you indeed :thumbs up: 23:54 -!- daugaard [~daugaard@user/daugaard] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:56 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@171.223.92.232] has joined #openbsd 23:59 -!- uzuri [~uzuri@user/uzuri] has joined #openbsd 23:59 -!- agentcasey_ [agentcasey@2600:3c03::f03c:93ff:febe:5054] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] --- Log closed Fri Nov 21 00:00:23 2025