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01:36 < echelon> hi, in httpd.conf, how do you configure a server stanza so it captures all domains?
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01:37 < echelon> server "*"  { .. } ?
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01:42 < pardis> the third sentence in the SERVERS section of httpd.conf(5) seems relevant
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01:45 < ssm_> $ man httpd.conf | col -b | sed -n '/server name {...}/,/including wildcards/p'
01:45 < echelon> yeah, i read that, wasn't sure if you just use a wildcard by itself
01:46 < echelon> the other thing i'm trying is to just serve an empty page and just return 200 for every uri request
01:46 < echelon> is a uri required for the block return feature?
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01:47 < Bradipo> block return?
01:47 < ssm_> rtfm the fucking manual
01:47 < ssm_> oh
01:47 < ssm_> wrong channel
01:47 < ssm_> sorry, not the behavior to use here
01:47  * pardis isn't sure how much clearer httpd.conf(5) can get when it says "The optional uri argument"
01:48 < echelon> yeah, like.. location * { block return 200 }
01:48 < Bradipo> You can probably just use location.
01:48 < echelon> hmm
01:49 < Bradipo> Oh wait, you want to just "block return 200", interesting.
01:49 < Bradipo> The description does say "Close the connection and send an error page".
01:49 < Bradipo> Maybe you need to provide an errdoc 200.html
01:49 < oldlaptop> ERROR: Everything is OK.
01:50 < Bradipo> Well, in theory if it returns 200 it's not an error. :-)
01:50 < Bradipo> At least not to the client.
01:50 < Bradipo> Or you could have err.html.
01:50 < Bradipo> See the "errdocs" keyword.
01:50 < Bradipo> All untested mind you.
01:50 < ssm_> any working examples of obscure sed(1) features like functions, hold and pattern space?
01:50 < Bradipo> Oh I have some I could dig up if you're really interested.
01:51 < echelon> this is what i get https://pastee.dev/r/WZfFypQU
01:51 < ssm_> I get how they work, but I don't get many ideas on how to "use" them
01:51 < oldlaptop> Situation erroneous: nothing fouled up.
01:51 < Bradipo> Then there's always sedtris.
01:52 < Bradipo> echelon: Yeah, well, you didn't provide an errdocs directory with an appropriate 200.html or err.html, did you?
01:52 < Bradipo> It's serving up the default errdocs page.
01:52 < echelon> nope, i was trying it without it
01:53 < puffybuf> can I just bridge tap0 with my network iface? tcpdump -i tap0 shows it gets arp requests but doesn't send a reply. If I do tcpdump -i bridge0 it shows the reply
01:55 < dlg> what are you trying to do?
01:56 < puffybuf> I just want my Linux VM  to be able to use the network
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01:56 < dlg> is your network connected via ethernet?
01:58 < puffybuf> so I'm installing debian on my openbsd machine as a virtual machine. I setup vm.conf and I put 'pass on tap0' in my pf.conf and I bridged tap and my network iface
01:58 < dlg> that should work
01:58 < dlg> did you bring bridge0 up?
01:59 < dlg> are you using dhcp on your network iface?
02:00 < echelon> Bradipo: https://pastee.dev/r/5zrRZzdv
02:01 < Bradipo> Does httpd have access to /var/httpd/errdocs?
02:01 < Bradipo> Did you read the man page that says: directory is relative to the chroot.
02:02 < echelon> it's world-readable
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02:02 < Bradipo> By default the chroot directory is /var/www, so are you saying you have a /var/www/var/httpd/errdocs ?
02:03 < echelon> i didn't realize it used chroot by default
02:03 < Bradipo> If you're using httpd(8) I don't think it can run *without* chroot.
02:05 < echelon> that did the trick! thanks :)
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02:57 < puffybuf> yea I can't get dhcp to work over the bridge either
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04:03 < echelon> is it possible to make unbound just answer for specific host entries instead of answering authoritatively for an entire zone?
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04:05 < echelon> oh! transparent instead of static
04:09 < echelon> for some reason it just hangs
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04:37 < echelon> when i do forward-zone "." forward-addr to a working recursive server, it hangs
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04:45 < dlg> puffybuf: you should switch from bridge(4) to veb(4)
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05:41 < echelon> ah! it's because i have two interfaces
05:41 < echelon> i didn't list them all with the outgoing-interface setting
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10:11 < Minall> Hello OpenBSD Community!
10:12 < zelest> Hello Minall 
10:12 < luna__> hi
10:12 < Minall> Previously I had this conversation already, but I lost/didn't save the info, apologies. I'm about to buy a thinkpad specifically for OpenBSD. Yet I wonder if everything is supported. Specifically Thinkpad T14 G5. Which uses lapotp Intel® Wi-Fi 6E AX211 2x2 AX and appears to be supported. Now, I'm more concerned about the Intel® Core™ Ultra 5 125U, if it is too bleeding edge
10:12 < WrezHole> Hi
10:12 < Minall> zelest, luna__, WrezHole: Hi!
10:13 < Minall> I mean, the integrated GPU and so on, just to make sure everything will go smoothly. I will buy this laptop as a personal and will use it a lot, so I do want it to be the best possible... The problem with the ones that have processors I7 11gen for example, is that, I can only get used ones from about 3 years
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10:13 < Minall> And since it is a pc I will use a lot, I would prefer it new
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10:25 < Minall> So I'm between buying a reused, but at that point there are some options where the WIFI is not supported, or are too old
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10:32 < Minall> Oh, there's also a Lenovo Thinkpad T14 G2 I17-1185G7. And has a good wifi card. This may be the one.
10:33 < Minall> I'm checking a page I also obtained from a user here in IRC; https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/dmesgd
10:35 < Minall> There's nothing on the Intel one, now honestly it appears to be supported
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10:46 < lts-> Minall: you should be fine, especially with the older model. Search internet and you'll find reports like https://old.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/oi501u/just_ordered_a_lenovo_thinkpad_t14_amd_gen_2/ . If the wifi is not one of the supported intel AX cards, you can buy one for a price of a sixpack and install it yourself
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10:47 < Minall> Thanks, just bough it. <- Not the most bleeding edge, but the t14 g2 one
10:47 < Minall> I'll post a dmesg for future users
10:48 < lts-> Consider posting to https://bsd-hardware.info/ as well. They have plenty of FreeBSD reports but not so many OpenBSD
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10:49 < Minall> On another note... I would like to understand the architecture side of this as to learn more about OpenBSD. Perhaps this is a too broad question, and if I have to refer to 30 manuals, then I would read them happily. So OpenBSD will have modules separated for WIFI devices, Sound devices and afterward I need to check Xorg for graphics, right? <- As in, if I were a new user, what can I do to be super sure something is supported in case my
10:49 < Minall> specific model hasn't much info?
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10:49 < Minall> For example, the one you gave me is AMD, while mine is Intel
10:49 < Minall> But I would know that Intel works correctly, since it is intel core i5 yadah yadah, but what about super bleeding edge CPU's that have more features?
10:50 < Minall> Thanks, I'll check https://bsd-hardware.info/.
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10:51 < Minall> Also, I tried to read about Xorg as to understand where in the architecture it reads for the drivers, but Xorg manuals are too specific for me to understand the whole picture
10:57 < Minall> Found some T14's in bsd-hardware.info, waiting for probe's to charg
11:00 < brynet> Meteor Lake should be fairly well supported as of OpenBSD 7.8, there's been some initial support since 7.6.
11:01 < brynet> OpenBSD uses the drm drivers ported from Linux 6.12.y longterm stable, and Intel tends to upstream GPU support to Linux fairly early.
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11:02 < dansimon> Minall: Xorg isn't the right place to look for drivers, you should look at the generic OS documentation for that. As brynet said, OpenBSD borrow its GPU drivers from Linux, meaning Intel/AMD should work fine, NVIDIA however is problematic.
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11:06 < Minall> brynet: I see. In my case which I'm learning more about the system, I would know that on Release notes? 
11:06 < Minall> dansimon: Oh, okay. In this case, which manual should I take a look on OpenBSD? <- Sorry if my question may be stupid or too broad, even if it is not that much OpenBSD specific, I'm trying to make sense of it here
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11:09 < Minall> Of course and if there's a book or manual I need to read to understand, I would love to know. So far I've go through the FAQ and the manuals about wifi devices and so on, like iwx, now I'm trying to understand at what point does OpenBSD call for iwx and detects it, and how different it is from GPU's
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11:09 < dansimon> Minall: No, it's ok. In the OpenBSD release notes for 7.8 for instance it says: "Updated drm(4) to Linux 6.12.50", that means OpenBSD has the same stock GPU drivers as Linux 6.12.50. In practical terms, this means nearly all Intel/AMD GPU's from when that kernel was released should work fine. NVIDIA is uncooperative towards the open source community, so their cards are hairy.
11:10 < freem> Hi. This may be a silly question, but does someone have some links to share about how to migrate from a debian toward openbsd? I have been using debian since I left windows, ~15 years ago, but it gets worst and worst, and debian 13 is basically a deal breaker. I need a solution I can rely on for the next years.
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11:11 < dansimon> Minall: Check out "Absolute OpenBSD" from Michael W. Lucas. Of course the OpenBSD FAQ is a nice resource too: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/index.html
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11:12 < brynet> Minall: Not really, you can certainly read release notes, compare with upstream Linux or Mesa library information, check Intel Ark for codenames and try to figure out when support was introduced for a certain generation.. or you could try booting OpenBSD and see if it works. :]
11:12 < dansimon> Minall: also man 4 drm, if you want the nitty gritty...
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11:13 < brynet> That page won't help much. :-)
11:13 < dansimon> brynet: Yeah, no... but you migt be curious ;)
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11:14 < dansimon> freem: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/index.html
11:15 < dansimon> freem: Anything specific you were thinking of? Any specific applications etc?
11:18 < freem> not really applications, I'm certain I can handle that myself, but I suspect I'll have troubles with basic stuff which may differ between a GNU/linux system and a BSD one. Not talking about systemd since I don't use it, but rather stuff like partitionning system. I remember trying a BSD in the past (a long while ago) and to be rather puzzled by the partitionning tool. Ideally, I'd like to get a multi-boot on a single storage, but I think I'll play 
11:18 < freem> safe and use a separate device, instead.
11:18 < freem> I'm reading the FAQ entry on migration for now, for some reason I did not noticed it
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11:20 < freem> oh. Is there is a GUI/TUI tool to manage packages btw? I really liked aptitude's TUI despite it's bad perf, I find it more handy than managing thousands of packages through a CLI
11:20 < freem> for the rest, as long as I have a shell, vi, awk and a C/C++ compiler I should be fine
11:21 < freem> the partition system is really what I am afraid of, honestly.
11:21 < dansimon> freem: Yeah, OpenBSD's partitioning scheme and disk management in general is a bit confusing coming from Linux. Maybe this blog might be interesting for you: https://www.k58.uk/openbsd.html
11:23 < freem> thanks
11:23 < freem> well, linux basically uses the same stuff I was used to under MSDOS/windows, so it was dead simple to me
11:23 < dansimon> also: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html
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11:24 < freem> also, because I'll likely still need to exchange data between systems for a while, are there file systems that are supported by both linux and openbsd?
11:25 < sibiria> freem: for multibooting i really recommend that you run an EFI system so you can keep the EFI applications separated. a bootloader like rEFInd also helps a lot
11:26 < dansimon> freem: install pkg_mgr for an ncurses package manager.
11:26 < freem> I have syslinux around since a long while, it handles EFI just fine... but right, I guess I'll need to use something else, not sure it can handle openbsd. That's not a problem, I can always just pick which storage to boot on at computer start
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11:26 < freem> dansimon: thanks for the tool name!
11:26 < sibiria> it should boot openbsd fine, if it's EFI capable
11:27 < sibiria> just point it at openbsd's EFI application, which in turn will boot from the correct partition
11:27 < Minall> dansimon: Oh, Okay I understand now. Thanks for the book, I'll check it. 
11:27 < Minall> Now, I do want to understand more of it so the drm page was cool for me!. Thanks. 
11:28 < freem> oh, also, can an install be bootstrapped from my current system? That usually makes things much easier
11:28 < freem> I guess answer is yes, but checking still
11:28 < sibiria> just boot the installer and point it at an empty partition
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11:28 < Minall> So DRM is a Direct Rendering Manager, and as the manual states it is a framework to manage GPU's. It is a driver which provides support for the DRI, and basically it detects the GPU and chooses which to use, amdgpu, intel and radeon. And from those manuals I would know if something is supported.
11:28 < vortexx> freem: ext2fs is supported rw on OpenBSD. You can recompile your linux kernel to mount BSD FFS/UFS rw too. The easiest way to share is over NFS
11:29 < freem> well, NFS is fine, for several machines.
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11:30 < Minall> Or there are cases where I would go through the route you mention dansimon, of comparing the upstream Linux or mesa library information, and so on. <- So OpenBSD boots, then auto detects and runs the DRM driver which runs according to the hardware, and from there I would check those manuals in order to see support?. Is that right?
11:30 < freem> not for a migration
11:30 < Minall> Architecturally I mean
11:30 < freem> sibiria: sure, I can do that, but bootstrapping from a fully functionning system have the advantage that I can go check documentation the way I'm used to, makes things easier
11:31 < vortexx> freem: external drive then formated ext2fs or FFS
11:31 < vortexx> or dualboot?
11:31 < freem> I'll go dual boot yes
11:32 < freem> on several devices though, I remember too much the last time I tried to get a dual boot bsd/debian. Borked my setup that day :) (I think it was netbsd, but dunno, it's old story.)
11:34 < dansimon> Minall: Yes, I would check out what hardware the Linux kernel in question supports, since that is the drivers OpenBSD has ported over.
11:34 < Minall> I'll for sure will be buying the Absolute OpenBSD book, 2nd edition
11:34 < Minall> dansimon: Thank you :D
11:34 < Minall> I'll understand the core system better with the book
11:34 < dansimon> Minall: Yeah, the book is great :)
11:35 < freem> thanks for the infos, I'll proceed later, got work to do, that last problem I have which decided me to migrate have slowed me down too much in my work already :/
11:35 < vortexx> freem: do a test install in a VM so you can practice setting up grub for dualboot + having a shared partition between the OSes. On OpenBSD make sure your ext2fs partition (if you choose that) is the i partition, not one of the previous letters (like sd0d for ex) as those are expected to be FFS and the kernel will panic and halt the boot and drop you to single user shell, which can be a pain
11:36 < freem> lol no grub thanks
11:36 < freem> I have very bad memories of it being super confused by multi boots
11:37 < dansimon> freem: Quick tip - I'd recommend an external NAS to sync files, that's easier and safer I think.
11:38 < freem> since I got it shuffling my systems randomly because I dared to update a kernel and have 2 identical OSes on the same HDD, it's banned from my system, and I prefer to use somethign that requires me to update my boot manually: automatic tools are not exactly good at managing simple stuff, and grub2 is a complexity monster
11:38 < freem> only have one computer around here
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11:39 < freem> regarding VMs, actually, it seems virtualbox does not have builds for openbsd, and I'll likely need such a tool
11:40 < freem> what would you recommend?
11:40 < freem> I'm not afraid of CLI but I don't exactly like it when CLI tools have thousand of options hard to discover and no quickstart doc (hello qemu)
11:40 < dansimon> freem: vmd? https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html
11:41 < dansimon> vmd is a CLI tool, but like all things OpenBSD, it's actually sane and simple :)
11:42 < freem> ah good. If creating a virtual network with it is sane and simple, it will be a huge change from qemu, which I never could use to setup the most basic stuff, hence me sticking with virtualbox: at least it have a good GUI that does the job for you in 2 clicks
11:43 < freem> yes, I *am* lazy. VMs are tools to do quick experiment for me, I'm not operating a datacenter
11:43 < freem> qemu feels like using Gimp to change the colour of 5 pixels
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11:44 < freem> its probably a marvellous tool for super complicated needs, but it sucks at doing the basic stuff
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11:55 < Minall> Just for curiosity freem, what do you dislike currently about Debian and, choose OpenBSD?
11:56 < freem> the why OpenBSD out of all the other systems is a very simple answer: it's the only FOSS OS around which is maintained which does not relies on PAM.
11:57 < freem> what got me to leave debian though, is the cumulation of bad choices, and now, I am unable to update to current debian stable, the update process fails with more than 500 broken packages
11:57 < freem> I *could* fix that manually
11:57 < freem> it would take me half a day or somethign like that
11:58 < freem> but then I have also read they're going to put rust into apt, just for the sake of it. This comes from an Ubuntu developper, and on that particular topic, ubuntu have shown enough lack of care on their rust fashion-victim transition
11:58 < freem> there's also the usrmerge and all the fanatism over systemd-is-the-best (crap)
11:58 < freem> the system is heavier and heavier over the years, without clear reason, too
11:59 < freem> I have been tempted to migrate since long for something else, because I get it that my goals are not theirs, but so far I still considered debian to be usable
12:00 < freem> I mean, it did had rock solid base and smooth upgrades, that was not a myth. It now is. And it was the stuff I valued the most.
12:00 < freem> Apparently the breakage in the update I have are linked to the date transition, packages with "t64" suffix. Now, that should not be needed on a 64bit system anyway
12:01 < freem> so I really question the thing. I would not have bothered too much if the updade went smoothly, but... yeah, it does not upgrades smoothly at all.
12:02 < freem> I have been using debian since ~15 years, and I am not a distro hopper, so yeah, debian 13 really got on my nerves
12:02 < freem> thanks for the fish, I guess
12:03 < freem> I would have picked another linux distro, if I could have found one that meets what I want, but I don't see any distro with enough of both sanity and guts around
12:04 < freem> I mean, I really like the idea of bsdauth, but that's not so much compared to staying in my comfort zone
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12:05 < freem> regarding PAM, I remember toying with openLDAP, and got it segfault. That made my whole system unusable, had to repair it, which was not hard, but still sends a very bad signal. Not to mention that, to debug it, you need to rely on some pretty weird combination of environment variable and syslog, which I don't really consider a sane idea
12:06 < freem> I mean, really, syslog? Having all logs of all daemons logged in the same place, so that if one is corrupted, you lose *all* your logs? And having the very core system safety rely on that, too?
12:06 < freem> I don't get it.
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12:08 < freem> OTOH bsdauth is just... simple and even relatively obvious. Instead of loading shared library which is suid0, you get a good old IPC, af_unix to, I guess (that part is not clear in my mind, the documentation does not describes it, only the C API) transfers ownership through... what was the name already?
12:08 < freem> ah, ancillary messages
12:08 < freem> if I got the idea right, then it's clean, it's simple, it's safe and sane
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12:10 < freem> oh, that reminds me, there is another question I have. Is there something like overcommit? I dislike that so much, when my kernel lies to my programs.
12:11 < Minall> That's quire interesting, thanks for the explanation freem !
12:11 < freem> it's something I have kept disabled since a long while, as it made me lose enough hours of work by making the system thrashing to death
12:11 < Minall> I don't know about PAM though, what do you mean by it? 
12:11 < Minall> Oh actually you elaborate more on it, sorry I was reading
12:12 < freem> np :)
12:13 < Minall> Very interesting, we're on the same boat mostly, I'm also migrating and learning more about it. 
12:13 < Minall> Hope it goes flawlessly for u
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12:13 < freem> it's a low level layer of most systems, I doubt so many know about it. And in practice, the variant of the ldap stuff  that works relies on... IPC. It loads the silly pam-ldap.so.something, which in turns ends up creating a connection to a daemon through af_unix. The sane way, except with a huge vuln in between
12:13 < freem> oh, and why are you migrating?
12:13 < Minall> Not sure about overcommit, sorry. 
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12:14 < freem> and from what, too :)
12:14 < IcePic> freem: BSDs do far less overcommit, you need to have ram+swap to cover for allocations or they will fail, more or less.
12:15 < IcePic> it won't map pages in until you actually use them, but you can't preallocate 100TB and go "but im gonna use only 50k of that"
12:15 < freem> that's the sane way, IcePic. Kernels should not lie.
12:16 < freem> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/release-notes/issues.en.html#ch-information also that made me quite angry "5.1.15. /etc/sysctl.conf is no longer honored"
12:16 < freem> ofc I do not use systemd, but who knows how this is going to impact me still?
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12:16 < IcePic> also, obsd will give users quite a limited ulimit for ram, so the actual limits might be lots lower than your ram, but those are at least editable when needed
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12:17 < freem> I prefer my systems stricter
12:17 < freem> as long as I can adjust the threshold, ofc
12:17 < freem> the stricter the system, the easier it is to avoid losing work
12:18 < freem> computers are about having well defined behavior, not playing russian roulette
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12:19 < IcePic> "suddenly consistent"
12:20 < freem> in any case, I don't want to fight my system in order to use it. It's a tool, it is here to serve me, and not the other way.
12:20 < zelest> Just play russian roulette with 6 bullets :D very suddenly.. much consistent..
12:21 < freem> lol
12:23 < freem> "5.1.17. Network interface names may change" also lol
12:23 < freem> the actual good question is more: why stick with debian?
12:24 < freem> a system which claims to be about stability and smooth upgrades gets a major release that will randomly rename your interfaces, can't upgrade without having 500+ (roughly 30%) breakages, and more lol
12:25 < freem> I'm not from the last rain, my bullshit detector is carefully maintained since decades
12:26 < freem> anyway, yes, the boat is sinking, and I'll be one of the rats leaving
12:26 < Minall> Here I find a lot of things that are just more though out, and work flawlessly
12:26 < Minall> Which is why I want to understand more of it yea
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12:28 < freem> you mean, less "warnings that can be safely ignored"? During the upgrade, dpkg will print warnings like the following, for various packages. This is due to the finalization of the usrmerge project, and the warnings can be safely ignored.
12:29 < IcePic> its not like homebrew that sometimes needs sudo-pw, and then you give it and after it runs something as admin, it prints out "the following package might ask for your pw" when you have already entered iut
12:30 < freem> I personnally take great pride that my C/C++ programs compile without warning despite -Wall and -Weverything or -Wextra, after filtering out those that make no sense, so I find it very concerning that the core tool emits warnings and they can be "safely ignored"
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12:31 < freem> a system that claims to be super stable should not let that pass... but the reason is obvious: pushing systemd more and more, despite the high complexity of the tool, way too high for the task at hands
12:31 < freem> and because redhat can't be bothered to write good code, they can't support having /usr on another partition
12:32 < freem> that's the root of so many problems...
12:32 < IcePic> or /var for that matter
12:32 < freem> wdym, or /var?
12:32 < IcePic> disrupts the /run to /var/run softlink coupling
12:32 < freem> rofl
12:32 < freem> I did not knew about this one
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12:33 < freem> good thing microsoft when further in the crap with their LLM in the OS, otherwise windows would have been a good alternative to linux systems
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12:34 < freem> but maybe in a handful of years there will be a llm module to systemd, too
12:36 < freem> really, I would not give a damn about systemd, if it's many limitations were not affecting me, who is not using it
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12:36 < freem> but they are
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12:37 < freem> and that is totally unacceptable to me. The most basic wisdom of electronics and computing is module isolation
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12:37 < freem> unix way is to get programs that do one thing and do it well, OOP is to have minimal classes with clear interfaces, too
12:37 < freem> this is just going the way which is known since many decades to be real dumb
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12:41 < freem> where the programs are should be an implementation detail of a program
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14:17 < puffybuf> ok so bridge doesn't work over wireless. I guess because it needs to impersonate different MAC
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14:38 < IcePic> yeah, wifi is close to ethernet but not really the same
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14:51 < vortexx> it's one of the defects of the IEEE802.11 specification, unfortunately
14:52 < vortexx> or why laptops with just wifi are not really suitable as hypervisors
14:53 < IcePic> I couldn't even get my rpi4 to bridge wifi<->ethernet, they removed that functionality on raspbian even
14:55 < sibiria> you could tuck the network into a vlan
14:55 < sibiria> though not entirely the same thing, it solves a few situations
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15:00 < eea>  /3
15:00 < eea> oop
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15:16 < quinq> n/12
15:16 < quinq> oops
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15:26 < vortexx> hang around long enough in this channel and you don't even need to do ctcp version to find out which irc clients people are using, lol
15:30 < quinq> I'm using mIRC 6.1
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15:48 < TommyC> I can confirm vortexx is a BitchX user. :3
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15:59 < vortexx> TommyC: you wish
16:00 < vortexx> never could stand that client. The only user I know of is cpet
16:01 < IcePic> quinq: I bet you even registered it!
16:03 < vortexx> one of the five people on the planet who have, probably
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16:16 < quinq> Well, you have to pay if you want good quality support
16:16 < quinq> Don't come complaining to me when your color theme doesn't work anymore!
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