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03:03 < ln43> I want a system that’s stable and responsive, \ Low latency flow, no packet's elusive. \ Kernel smooth, threads tight, I stay conclusive, \ No crashes in sight, my uptime’s exclusive. \\ Cache on point, CPU never pensive, \ Memory aligned, no loop is offensive. \ IO on lock, disk writes intensive, \My OS rap game? Straight-up comprehensive.
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03:25 < ssm_> how firewall rpc services (mountd)?
03:27 < ssm_> port number is variable so you can't define a port in pf
03:28 < rnkn> ln43: very good
03:30 < ln43> thank you
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07:22 < ZHuangZi> ssm_: could you use an anchor in pf?  seems that is used for other daemons (spamd) to easily add rules to pf.  you may need to script it.  just an Idea.
07:24 < IcePic> ZHuangZi: the problem with rpc is that ports are dynamic, so where you put the rules are not the actual problem but which ports to put there.
07:24 < IcePic> ssm_: I would suggest (if possible) to wrap rpc in wireguard or something, then just let the client have all the ports open in the tunnel
07:24 < IcePic> then you get auth, minimal overhead and not less secure
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09:11 < vortexx> ssm_: the easiest way is to only run rpc stuff over wg and block them on the underlying interface. That way you can get around it.
09:11 < vortexx> (btw the default pf.conf allows for rpc mounts etc)
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09:52 < bleb> would it ever make sense to build a bsd using musl as the c library
09:52 < bleb> has it been attempted how hard would it be I wonder
09:53 < IcePic> bsds already have their own libcs
09:55 < quinq> musl is a Linux-only C library
09:55 < quinq> Although it could be ported with some effort, but right now it wouldn't work
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09:56 < IcePic> I recall glibc pretended to be portable for a short while.
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10:24 < vortexx> IcePic: would that have been in the late 80s?
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10:37 < IcePic> vortexx: no, 90s, when I was working on solaris boxes. Tried to compile it, but it failed miserably
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10:38 < vortexx> IcePic: oh right
10:38 < vortexx> fun times on solaris back then
10:38 < IcePic> yes, it was.
10:39 < IcePic> and sparc machines were awesome
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11:43 < oldlaptop> <IcePic> I recall glibc pretended to be portable for a short while.
11:43 < oldlaptop> more recently debian/kfreebsd worked for a while
11:43 < oldlaptop> technically it still is portable to hurd :P
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12:16 < c0co> RMS has a backdoor to every gnu system so that he can interject with his opinions whenever you're in a terminal
12:24 < ssm_> IcePic: what about putting nfsd, mountd and portmap in a separate rdomain, and then send to an unused address in my wg network, and then rdr-to the lo interface on the rdomain, and export the nfs share on 127.0.0.1?
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13:01 < IcePic> ssm_: could probably work
13:01 < IcePic> a bit tedious, but should work
13:02 < ssm_> This was almost what I was trying to do before I asked my question, but I was using the same address in my wg network, which makes it impossible to discriminate traffic
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13:07 < sibiria> i do roughly the same thing but for other reasons
13:07 < sibiria> services live in VMs, but their ingress/egress is on a VPS elsewhere with static IPs, and a wg tunnel between
13:08 < sibiria> tunnels and applications run in different rdomain
13:08 < sibiria> so that the machine has both its inherent egress and the tunneled one with the "real" static IP
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13:46 < ssm_> what's with the "bktr" device in ffmpeg? it's a "BSD video input device" which is why I'm asking here instead of #ffmpreg. I tried using it but I can't find docs on what to supply -i. I tried 0 and :0 but those just throw errors.
13:49  * oldlaptop gets the feeling that ffmpeg people will be better able to answer that
13:49 < oldlaptop> (and that "BSD" probably doesn't mean OpenBSD)
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14:05 < ssm_> figured it out, it's for the bktr(4), which I don't have hardware for. *tuner_fd = avpriv_open("/dev/tuner0", O_RDONLY); in ffmpeg's bktr.c, which lead me to seeing /dev/tuner0 exists, apropos any=tuner, bktr(4)!
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14:07 < ssm_> what I was hoping it was was a lower-level wscons(4) framebuffer grab device. oh well
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14:19 < Vicfred> Hi, I am trying to boot openbsd 7.8 on the raspberry pi 5. I got a usb to serial adapter and I successfully booted raspberry pi os using that but I can't boot openbsd 7.8, can someone help me? thanks in advance
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15:38 < c0co> In trying to debug this touchpad issue, I noticed that wsmoused `cannot open /dev/ttyCcfg` which i see from man wsmoused(8) is the default and controls wsdisplay0 display terminals, and am wondering if this has some issue with X11? (since X isn't receiving instructions from wsmoused, even though the device is sending interrupts)
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17:03 < vortexx> Vicfred: good chance that hw isn't supported, check the hardware page on openbsd.org please
17:04 < vortexx> bktr for Brooktree devices... I think I have one in the cellar for digital terrestrial tv
17:04 < vortexx> usb based, worked fine 15 years in linux, probably does on OpenBSD
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17:05 < thrig> extra-terrestrial tv phone home
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17:09  * oldlaptop probably has a PCI card laying around
17:10 < oldlaptop> of course they shut down actual NTSC TV around here (that they could tune in to) like 15 years ago
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17:11 < thrig> where would you be without your PAL, NTSC
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17:54 < humm> note to self: don’t type `reboot` in an (Alpine Linux) vmm vm, lest the host freezes
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18:01 < ssm_> it happens with reboot, poweroff, halt
18:01 < ssm_> when that happens I just manually unmount filesystems and force the vm offline
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18:06 < mischief> that seems like a bug worth reporting
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18:11 < Posterdati> hi
18:11 < Posterdati> please help. I have a problem with rspamd: 2025-11-25 12:11:21 #23048(main) <ef1bfc>; main; detect_priv: cannot run rspamd workers as root user, please add -u and -g options to select a proper unprivileged user or specify --insecure flag
18:11 < Posterdati> thanks!
18:12 < Posterdati> I added rspamd_flags="-u _rspamd -g _rspamd" to /etc/rc.conf.local but no success
18:17 < cli> say that I am porting some software, and I need to patch it for it to build correctly - for this, I need to remove a file
18:17 < cli> make update-patches doesn't seem to handle the removal of files
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18:23 < Vicfred> vortexx, they announced raspberry pi 5 support with openbsd 7.8, after some investigation I read they only support booting from the serial console and I got a usb to serial adapter to boot it but no luck so far
18:27 < humm> ssm_: how do you unmount filesystems when the host is frozen?
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18:33 < ssm_> it doesn't freeze for me when it doesn't work; it just dumps me into shell
18:33 < ssm_> or rather doesn't exit the running shell
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18:37 < vortexx> Vicfred: you'll need to go through the INSTALL.arm64, usually you need to have the dtb files placed manually on the sd card or usb stick, etc etc. And you'll need to set the serial port speed as well probably via /etc/boot.conf on the install media
18:37 < vortexx> arm64 boards on OpenBSD are not really for novices
18:39 < lts-> And you'll get packages but not security updates for the packages
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18:46 < xse> check out the openbsd-arm mailing list too there was a few discussions about that model in the recent months
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18:58 < Vicfred> xse, thanks ill check the mailing list
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19:08 < vortexx> Vicfred: this looks interesting https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-arm&m=176358305927085&w=2
19:08 < vortexx> snapshots work but 7.8 release doesn't
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19:14 < Vicfred> vortexx, thanks I will try the snapshot I also ordered some cable to use the "debug pins" on the raspberry pi but it will arrived tomorrow
19:15 < vortexx> yeah you'll need a GPIO adapter
19:17 < vortexx> Serial on the rpi5 is on the debug UART port. <-- oops not it isn't
19:18 < vortexx> you're right, debug port. I don't own this hw but I've seen many questions go by
19:19 < Vicfred> I used that to boot raspberry os lite to test but aparently openbsd boots from the debug port
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19:50 < izder456> avemestr: its sndioctl output.mute=!
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19:57 < avemestr> izder456: Hi, thanks!
19:57 < izder456> you were in my scrollback buffer so I dunno if someone else helped you
19:57 < izder456> glad I was of help!
19:59 < avemestr> izder456: Somebody also mentioned it - it's even an example in the sndioctl man page, so you just managed to remind everybody that I was embarrassed a couple of days ago :-D
19:59 < avemestr> But it's the intention that count so thank you.
20:00 < izder456> ...oh, xD
20:00 < avemestr> ;-)
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21:00 < Posterdati> IcePic: hi
21:01 < Posterdati> IcePic: you did suggest openbsd.amsterdam vps service to me. Didn't you? 
21:02 < Posterdati> IcePic: just bought a vps today! I found very supportive and prepared people there! Thanks!
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21:15 < Minall> Hello Openbsd community!
21:16 < Minall> After installing OpenBSD on a new system, I ran as per the mail: (dmesg; sysctl hw.sensors) | mail ... etc etc. Now, I wonder if this command actually does something as i don't have mail configured yet. Or should I send of my dmesg from another mail client after configuring?
21:16 < avemestr> Minall: tail -f /var/log/maillog will give you an indication if the mail has been delivered.
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21:18 < Minall> Doens't seem to. I have a bunch of disabling route, no valid route for relay:openbsd.org, network error on destinations MXs, 
21:18 < Minall> So I'll do it with a mail client
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21:19 < Minall> I do need a second opinion on the status of it... Since it is going well for me, yet when I look at the dmesg, there's a bunch of things that are 'not configured'
21:19 < Minall> https://dpaste.com/3FWLVCZZH <- My dmesg
21:19 < sibiria> that's entirely typical
21:20 < Minall> and there's also this weird bug that the mouse moves on its own, this is a fresh installation, and also saw this on the windows system that came with it, before installation
21:20 < Minall> sibiria: So nothing to worry about there?' <- Honestly eveyrthing is going cool, except that strange bug. I tried to use wsconsctl to disable both mouses, but still
21:21 < Minall> So I bough the second hand Lenovo T14 gen 2 only for OpenBSd i mentioned some days ago as you see haha, now I'm chekcing it
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21:34 < sibiria> Minall: it looks pretty much as expected for booting the miniroot kernel
21:34 < sibiria> but a better dmesg would be that of the full MP kernel
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21:38 < Minall> sibiria: A better dmesg?, how can I do one of those ?
21:39 < sibiria> by booting the full MP kernel
21:39 < sibiria> your first regular boot will do just that
21:40 < sibiria> check /var/run/ for more
21:40 < Minall> Oh, yes, there's a dmesg there
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21:41 < Minall> I don't see much different, though I'm still new in reading dmesg's
21:41 < Minall> https://dpaste.com/EC9YWW8RA
21:41 < Minall> Strangely my iwm0 is complaining about one firmware,
21:42 < Minall> however, wifi works perfectly.
21:44 < sibiria> oh that's the actual mp kernel? it does look a bit odd that it fails to enumerate all CPU cores
21:44 < sibiria> i was certain that was the dmesg output from the miniroot
21:46 < Minall> This is a fresh install so there's nothing weird going on. I also disabled CPU hyperthreading bios level
21:46 < Minall> Since OpenBSD wouldn't have it enabled whatoever, I prefer it disalbed
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21:53 < avemestr> Minall: If they are enabled in BIOS you can enable them live in OpenBSD using "sysctl hw.smt=1".
21:54  * sonya is looking at "OpenBSD 7.8 (RAMDISK_CD)" and wonders how it'd be a generic (mp) kernel..
21:54 < Minall> avemestr: Yes, I'll keep it disabled for now, since it is the default recommended
21:54 < avemestr> Minall: If you run "top" or one of its cousins in a separate window you can see the other cores coming online live.
21:54 < Minall> Just posted the dmesg to know if there's anything I should worry about, though graphics, wifi and peripherals are all working
21:54 < avemestr> Minall: I also have SMT disabled.
21:55 < Minall> Though, the only thing that does bother me is this erratic cursor movement, which I cannot see from where it is coming. Sometimes it goes straight bottom, then straight top and so on. Too perfect to be me accidentally touching either the touchpad or other
21:55 < Minall> avemestr: o/, since it is better for security
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21:56 < Minall> but this also happened on Windows, so it may be a hardware issue. I'm just checking which options do I have, regarding temporarily disabling the mouse when I don't need it. Was checking wsconsctl mouse{0,1}.disable=1, and I can disable both, but nothing changes
21:57 < avemestr> Minall: When the erratic mouse behaviour is present in two different OSes, it would seem the problem is hardware-related (or at least in some low-level code). High level software might alleviate it, but it's not optimal.
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22:01 < Minall> Oh man I was afraid that was. I bough this second hand
22:01 < Minall> I wonder if I have any optoin to disable the trackpad atleas. wsconsctl mouse1.tp.disable=1 doesn' work. Just to know if it is related to it
22:03 < avemestr> Sometimes it's possible to disable in BIOS.
22:04 < Minall> I'll take a look, one second. Rebooting
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22:10 < Minall> Wtf
22:10 < Minall> I disabled it in the BIOS <- double checked in case it didn't save
22:10 < Minall> But it is still available
22:10 < Minall> And works normally
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22:22 < avemestr> John Doe: On The Joys Of Modern Tech - Volume 1830432.
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22:26 < Minall> Though, the error hasn't presented... Perhaps OpenBSD is still seeing this device and using another driver?... Which may not have this bug
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22:40 < dg> compare dmesg and/or wsconsctl output? sometimes a bios setting can change the type devices present as
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22:43 < Minall> Appears to still load it: http://dpaste.com/5W4QYHW73
22:45 < Minall> In either case I still have the same issue, so probablly hardware issue
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22:50 < dg> yeah, does seem like a hardware issue
22:50 < dg> there are reddit posts of people replacing a t14 trackpad
22:51 < dg> looks like you can get them for not that much on aliexpress, if that's the kind of thing you'd consider
22:51 < dg> (it could also be worth just trying to reseat the connectors inside)
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22:53 < Minall> dg What do you mean on the reset connectors?, as in it may not be that complex?
22:53 < Minall> The thing is that, I bough this one second hand, so I'm thinking whether it is worth returning it and wasting more time looking for another one
22:53 < Minall> The price was good which is what makes me think of not doing it...
22:54 < Minall> But lenovo tends to have good reparability, so if I can repare it is worth it
22:54 < dg> well if you can return it, up to you... no idea if this is exactly compatible with your model but see e.g.: https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/1m0ssig/so_i_did_the_glass_touchpad_upgrade_to_my_t14_gen/
22:56 < Minall> Looks compatible :D
22:57 < Minall> either case, it is reparable, I'll talk so the price is lower because of this imperfection and then, repair it myself or in a service, either way I get a good pc, compatible with openbsd
22:58 < dg> well, it is possible if someone dropped it or something it's the connector on the mainboard that is flakey rather than the trackpad itself (or it could be the touchpoint doing something strange)
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22:58 < dg> but my guess would be the trackpad
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23:07 < Minall> Thanks for your help :D, I'm enjoying so far my installaton. I'll go right now, may connect tomorrow. Bye bye!
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