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00:03 < qrx6> will smife first nigger in space to launch a rocket with watermelon juice; he decoded the pyramids by reading the bible backwards
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00:04 < qrx6> thank you based will smithe* for being a movie star your wife is bald
00:04 < qrx6> This message is sponsored by Bertoli dinner special meals pastaroni flavor creations
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00:05 < qrx6> um, i'm thinking based? will smith is a real astronaut now, he dropped thousands of nintendo 64s on african nigger villages so they can learn nintendogs
00:06 < qrx6> thank you for doing excellent movie acting will smith god bless wil smith thank you wil smifthe for doing bertolli dinner creations also
00:06 < qrx6> Will Smith, fully prolapsed anus
00:06 < qrx6> now that will smith translated the pyramids for us we can end white privilige
00:06 < mischief> phy1729: snuff this guy
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00:07 < will_smith> hello
00:07 < will_smith> my name is the movie star actor will smith i use IRC chat
00:07 < will_smith> why are black women bald
00:08 < will_smith> oh shit it's weille smith the famous astronaut who taught africa how to build legos
00:09 < will_smith> um, i'm thinking bertolli prolapse? thank will pyramids to do IRC chat for white privilige
00:10 < will_smith> big porops to phy1729 for yelling out 'holla back nigga' in the public library, jej, that was very funny
00:10 < will_smith> nintendogs will be used to train black female airline pilots
00:11 < will_smith> based will smith decoded the pyrads and wrote the bible in brail for def niggas to understand it better, based much?
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00:12 < spaceniga> lowkey, if you drink watermelon flavor beverage you know
00:12 < spaceniga> why does whitey always try to hold the black man down
00:12 < spaceniga> I CAN"T SNEED
00:13 < spaceniga> gonna go j/o to bruce jenner
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00:55 < ecbrown> openbsd current + mac mini + hammer2 filesystem   perhaps the most bizarre combo in computing ;-)
00:57 < ecbrown> https://github.com/kusumi/openbsd_hammer2 has made some nice improvements since i last tried about a year ago
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00:58 < ecbrown> only issue is that lz4 seems hardwired in to hammer2, i think dfly is amd64-only
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02:54 < ln43> ☸️
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05:55 < rnkn> can I have login users with no password, only ssh key?
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05:57 < thrig> yes, disable password auth for them in sshd_config
05:58 < rueda> if you want password login to be impossible for the user: usermod -p '*************'
06:03 < rnkn> can I `useradd -p '*'` and the password will be disabled, not actually an asterisk?
06:03 < rnkn> or does it need to be '*************'?
06:04 < ln43> rnkn: are you asking about local or remote login?
06:04 < rnkn> local
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06:05 < ln43> hardware-based authentication or second choice SSH based login to localhost 
06:06 < rnkn> I'm building a pubnix. users will only be able to remote login via ssh key. they can't doas so the password is essentially useless. hence I want to disable it for all users.
06:07 < IcePic> man 5 passwd says to use 13 *s 
06:08 < rnkn> I'm always reading the wrong man pages
06:09 < rnkn> IcePic: thx
06:10 < IcePic> I tried to find same info in "man 1 passwd", login and so on, so its not trivial to find if you don't already know where to search
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06:13 < rnkn> I was looking in useradd(8) and usermgtmt.conf(5)
06:14 < zelest> imagine if there was a website to search in all those pages! ;)
06:14 < tercal> Good morning everyone. Yesterday my dedicated server (running OpenBSD 7.8 (GENERIC.MP)) rented on Hetzner was unreachable, both ping requests and any running services (web, mail, ssh) were off. Requested support from Hetzner, they said "Try to reboot/reset the server on your panel, first!". I did and the server was back online. I wonder what was the issue, would you suggest me any log file (or an idea) to check what was the reason that the server was off 
06:14 < tercal> yesterday? Thank you very much!
06:14 < zelest> What does /var/log/messages say?
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06:20 < IcePic> on physical boxes, dmesg might actually contain the previous content, and a crash might be recorded there
06:21 < zelest> that seems to work on VMs too
06:21 < zelest> (had a crash yesterday as well)
06:22 < IcePic> I guess, if the hypervisor isn't stopping the emulation but rather emulates the reset sequence then it would act the same
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06:38 < rnkn> it looks like the 13 '*' worked
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06:43 < tercal> zelest: Nov 26 13:06:45 mail /bsd: re0: watchdog timeout --- Nov 26 13:07:05 mail /bsd: re0: watchdog timeout -- Nov 26 14:29:24 mail last message repeated 31 times
06:43 < tercal> Yes I think that's the time when the server started to be down remotely
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06:55 < IcePic> realtek, yuk =)
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07:16 < tercal> IcePic Yes, it seems NIC was down somehow.. Any suggestion (maybe for hostname.re0?) to prevent this?
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07:41 < tercal> Is there any way to suppress "last message repeated" in /var/log/messages and repeat the message all the time?
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07:52 < quinq> tercal, I think that you can find this in syslogd(8≥
07:52 < quinq> s/≥/)/
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08:06 < mischief> i've seen it too, it's probably a driver bug
08:06 < mischief> bug kevin lo about it :-)
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09:46 < vortexx> tercal: man watchdog may be of help
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09:48 < quinq> woof
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10:04 < mischief> bark, etc
10:05 < mischief> watchdogs have caused me no shortage of pain.
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10:37 < uzuri> every 12 seconds there is a significant interruption in network traffic and ping spikes a lot
10:37 < uzuri> so every 12th ping is like 1000-2000 instead of the usual 10ms
10:38 < uzuri> i used to have this isse some time ago but fixed it by adjusting my mtu acordingly and removing the no-df option from scrub in pf.conf
10:40 < uzuri> i recently rebooted my router and the mtu seems to have changed on my pppoe link, from 1480 to 1492, so i adjusted max-mss from 1452 to 1464 but the issue still persists even after another reboot with the new ruleset
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10:52 < IcePic> uzuri: almost sounds like arp expires very quickly and all traffic stops until it gets updated again?
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10:53 < IcePic> but usually those entries last for 300s or so.
10:53 < xse> i recall seeing https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=175768302612003 but can't tell if that would help
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10:59 < IcePic> xse: me neither, but would be quick to test I guess
11:00 < sibiria> uzuri: wireless?
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11:27 < uzuri> IcePic: how could i test that
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11:31 < uzuri> xse: thanks for the link, altough i dont have vlan on the openbsd box, since my draytek is set to apply the tag 
11:32 < uzuri> sibiria: same issue on both lan and wlan
11:32 < uzuri> also on multiple devices, not just my laptop
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11:33 < uzuri> this issue makes voicecalls on my phone pretty much unbearable, which is how i notice it first
11:34 < uzuri> luckily enough, on my router itself there is no delay and the issue isnt present at all
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11:34 < uzuri> all pings from my router are very homogenous and normal, just the end devices suffer from it
11:38 < zbcm> apropos -a ssh | grep -C3 password
11:41 < uzuri> this is how my ping looks
11:41 < uzuri> http://paste.debian.net/1410819/
11:41 < uzuri> packets 6, 7 & 8 arrive at the same time
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11:43 < uzuri> and on my router itself its completely normal
11:43 < uzuri> http://paste.debian.net/1410821/
11:44 < sibiria> do you see the same behavior between you and the router?
11:51 < sibiria> sometimes scanning for wifi APs cause hiccups and stalling on one or more network devices/paths
11:51 < sibiria> if your router for some reason is doing that actively all the time, there's a small chance that's the reason
11:53 < sibiria> almost always isolated to just the wifi interface, but with openwrt on an old device of mine i've seen it cause hiccups on the ethernet port whenever the wifi was vlan-bridged there
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12:28 < tercal> my messages log file says: "ntpd[81499]: constraint 9.9.9.9; terminated with signal 13 (Broken pipe)" - any clue on this?
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12:43 < IcePic> tercal: constraints are collected with https, so perhaps quad9 cut off the tcp before it was complete?
12:50 < gipa> uzuri: there was also a bug that drm caused ping spikes (interrupt storm?) when no monitor was connected
12:50 < sibiria> yeah that bug caused hiccups in the entire OS
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15:15 < uzuri> sibiria: good idea, altough i have a completely separate wifi router connected to my openbsd box
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15:16 < uzuri> not home right now so cant try, but the box does no wifi at all so i doubt it has to do something with it
15:16 < uzuri> gipa: jesus christ that sounds fun
15:17 < uzuri> "was" has been fixed in current orrr?
15:18 < uzuri> i have a feeling its the scrub rule thats been causing this issue, when im home im gonna comment it out entirely and see if theres a difference
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15:27 < gipa> uzuri: i'm not sure. it was a few releases back and i believe it was fixed but i didn't track it...
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16:38 < deimosBSD> gipa: uzuri it's tied to intel drm and cpus that cannot handle it, i believe
16:40 < deimosBSD> my poor little celeron j3060 seems to have this exact issue
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16:46 < sibiria> you can easily check with "systat vmstat 1"
16:47 < sibiria> see if "inteldrm" (or possibly anything else) in the list of drivers on the right is going bananas with thousands of hits per second
16:48 < sibiria> in idle state without much networking, that is, because that will usually result in a couple of thousand interruptions per second on the network drivers
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17:10 < deimosBSD> I ended up just using serial console
17:10 < deimosBSD> and disabling intedrm in the kernel config
17:11 < deimosBSD> someone else found this too, https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg195115.html
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17:42 < uzuri> sibiria: thanks, will do
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20:01 < dwayneiam> Hello and Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate.
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20:04 < dwayneiam> Having a problem with OpenBSD/irssi/liberachat/certfp? my libera.pem works on other OSes. Openbsd no go? What am I missing?
20:05 < dwayneiam> must be something OpenBSD specific?
20:06 < dwayneiam> I get an error like "unknown cert type" or something like that.
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20:12 < avemestr> dwayneiam: Not familiar with the problem, but you'd probably increase your odds of getting help if you posted configs, what you have tried, etc.
20:15 < uzuri> dwayneiam: i have the same issue, though at the thought of troubleshooting openssl i rather decided to stick with SASL
20:16 < uzuri> i assume its in the difference from openssl and libressl
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20:17 < dwayneiam> uzuri: Thought of that. I also cloned irssi and built it. Thought maybe package problem. I get same error
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20:21 < uzuri> dwayneiam: does the command to generate the cert behave the exact same on open- & libressl?
20:22 < uzuri> i have no idea but i assume probably yes
20:23 < dwayneiam> uzuri: yes, I generated cert on rhel and moved it to openbsd. No go. I generated new cert on openbsd. No go?
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20:24 < dwayneiam> uzuri: Whould be great to figure out and post solution somewhere so others don't pull their har out. lol
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20:27 < uzuri> dwayneiam: i have no idea how ssl works but sure id love to figure something out
20:28 < uzuri> i bet if you remove libressl (if thats even possible) and instrall plain openssl on openbsd, it would probably work?
20:30 < dwayneiam> uzuri: you may be right. I would like use tools provided by the project though. 
20:31 < uzuri> of course
20:31 < uzuri> just to confirm the issue
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20:31 < uzuri> another thing definitely worht trying is to use certfp on another client
20:32 < avemestr> OpenSSL is available in ports and therefore also as a package just a pkg_add away.
20:33 < dwayneiam> uzuri: I tried weechat. The guide on libera.chat was outdated and I'm not familiar with the client
20:33 < uzuri> yeah same
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20:34 < uzuri> i asked about our issue in #libressl but theres like only 12 guys in there so idk
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20:35 < uzuri> catgirl might be a good option to try
20:35 < dwayneiam> avemestr: yes true, but i don't want a workaround. Would love to do it the "openbsd" way.
20:36 < dwayneiam> amatecha: there have to be other users like uzuri who have had same problem and resolved it? Maybe
20:37 < uzuri> https://git.causal.agency/catgirl/about/catgirl.1#Configuring_CertFP
20:37 < dwayneiam> avemestr: mentioned wrong nick. lol
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20:40 < uzuri> i will have to leave but glacing at catgirl's docu and seeing how minimal it is, fills me with confidence that it should work there
20:40 < uzuri> it handles generation of the cert by itself though
20:41 < uzuri> im gonna try later though
20:41 < uzuri> need 2 leave
20:41 < dwayneiam> uzuri: checking it out. Author has a sense of humor
20:41 < uzuri> indeed
20:42 < c0co> n
20:42 < dwayneiam> uzuri: author says "Screenshot: imagine, if you will, text on a screen, next to names in a selection of colours." :)
20:43 < sonya> dwayneiam, i guess i know what's wrong with your cert fp
20:44 < sonya> try 4096 rsa instead of ed25519
20:44 < uzuri> dwayneiam: client is also catered to openbsd, its very neat
20:44 < uzuri> sonya: thats a good idea
20:46 < dwayneiam> sonya: really! so libressl doesnt support ed25519? Thanks i will try
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20:47 < sonya> dwayneiam, i'd say that there's smth with ed25519 , so 'plain' 4096 rsa is a way to go for libera.chat .. i don't remember exactly what's wrong and just looking at my cert :)
20:48 < fro> what
20:48 < fro> libressl supports ed25519
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20:49 < sonya> fro, may be not in the way when keys are sored in cert's .pem file, or not in the way libera.chat could deal with the results
20:50 < sonya> sample command, which fail is : openssl req -x509 -new -newkey ed25519 -sha256 -days 1096 -nodes -out libera.pem -keyout libera.pem
20:50 < sonya> and it works with 4096 rsa just great
20:52 < dwayneiam> sonya: so command would be "openssl req -x509 -new -newkey rsa -sha256 -nodes -out libera.pem -keyout libera.pem" ?
20:52 < sonya> -newkey rsa:4096
20:53 < dwayneiam> sonya: Thanks much. I will try that.
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21:06 < dwayne> sonya: That worked! Thanks! That should be documented somewhere so others dont lose minds.
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21:07 < froh> works for me generating an ed22519 key from openbsd
21:07 < froh> fyi
21:08 < dwayneiam> froh: not for me. Are you on 7.8 ?
21:09 < sonya> dwayneiam, np, you're welcome.. afair, i checked types of certs accepted by libera.chat and sticked to rsa.. and it was years ago..
21:09 < froh> 7.8 -current
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21:09 < dwayneiam> uzuri: worked for me using "rsa:4096"
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21:10 < sonya> froh, and your irc client is?
21:10 < froh> i used irssi just now when testing it
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21:11 < sonya> hmm.. then we have a kind of issue, cause i also had trouble with  ed25519 ..
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21:13 < dwayneiam> sonya: at least me you and uzuri had same issue.
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21:14 < sonya> froh, did you tried to login with a new 25519 cert? or just registered it?
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21:15 < dwayneiam> sonya: I could register it no problem. Login no.
21:16 < sonya> uzuri, may i ask about your spikes? are they the same for win/lin/any-router-clients?
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21:18 < fro> maybe worth asking on mailing lists
21:18 < fro> or waiting until after holidays
21:18 < fro> i just generated the key from an openbsd machine but used a freebsd machine that already had irssi installed to connect
21:18 < fro> so maybe that's why it worked?
21:19 < fro> i can install irssi and fool around with it later but it's not something i normally use
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21:37 < sonya> fro, thanks for your offer, but i found that the issue is documented in 'troubleshooting' section on the bottom of  https://libera.chat/guides/certfp
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22:11 < vortexx> now this VM has been reinstalled a number of times, but I'm pretty sure when we all moved to Libera, we had to do at least sasl stuff, yet I'm not finding it in my config.
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22:16 < fro> sonya: i see so then it's the client
22:17 < fro> i don't use SASL most of the time here
22:17 < fro> it's not a hard requirement
22:19 < fro> when i'm on epic6 i'm typically using SCRAM but only because i never disabled it after testing it
22:19 < fro> here i can't use SASL at all without pain
22:21 < fro> maybe PLAIN works but then i can just use nickserv too
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22:32 < ssm_> la creatura https://0x0.st/K41b.png
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22:34 < uzuri> sibiria: just checked, nothing in systat vmstat that sounds alarming to me, only like ~500 on clock, nothing on inteldrm
22:34 < uzuri> but im starting to be very clueless
22:35 < sibiria> libressl doesn't support ed25519 when creating a self-signed cert. have to use genpkey first, then create and self-sign
22:36 < uzuri> i had the exact issue before, back then it was ~11 seconds instead of the ~12, but setting the max-mss value to the right amount fixed it entirely. also commenting the scrub rule out completely solved the issue 
22:36 < uzuri> now nothing works
22:37 < uzuri> i dont have those spikes when pinging my router directly and backwards, but the spikes are very noticeable in the ssh connection to my router, as it freezes every 12 seconds for 1 second
22:37 < uzuri> werid that it doesnt show in ping
22:38 < uzuri> also i read in man pf.conf that max-mss limits the mtu on TCP-SYN packages, so why would removing this rule fix an issue in ICMP?
22:39 < uzuri> literally xkcd 2259
22:39 < uzuri> https://xkcd.com/2259/
22:39 < uzuri> <dwayneiam> uzuri: worked for me using "rsa:4096"
22:40 < uzuri> as soon as i saw sonya's reply i knew that had to be the issue
22:40 < uzuri> she knows her stuff to say the least haha
22:41 < uzuri> sonya: spikes are the same on openbsd & android client
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