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00:11 < pardis> pkg_add doesn't need gcc at all
00:12 < thrig> it could terminal beep at you in morse code?
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00:21 < ecbrown> ...---... (SOS)
00:22 < MelMalik> what's wrong
00:23 < ecbrown> joking about how "featureful" sysutils/btop is
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02:43 < SymbioticFemale> is there somewhere that lists the full set of options for an auto_install.conf file? I mean I tried using install.resp but the phrasing of some of the answers are different than some auto_install.conf I found online, and there are questions not listed such as root password, ssh keys, etc.
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02:49 < dg> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/distrib/miniroot/install.sub look for "ask_until", etc
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02:52 < SymbioticFemale> not complete, many missing questions if just looking at the ask_until lines
02:56 < dg> there's other ask_... functions hence my etc
02:56 < SymbioticFemale> ah
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03:00 < dg> but then you also need to look for architecture specific bits, e.g.: https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/distrib/amd64/common/install.md?plain=1#L80
03:05 < SymbioticFemale> i think i might just acknowledge that i lost the bet on whether i could autoinstall openbsd without a network connection
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03:17 < phy1729> You could do the install manually and then use the config that's in the post install mail 
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08:16 < deconfed> o/
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08:17 < zelest> heil right back at ya!
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08:22 < deconfed> p!
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08:27 < zelest> not quite sure what that is :D
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08:34 < deconfed> me too
08:36  * deconfed announcing new universal soldierd secnario @2026-@202324
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10:48  * deconfed modes: +CRnt
10:48 < deconfed> · #openbsd created on Wed 
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13:06 < mlw> Does anyone know what could be a reason for "(same checksum)" and "It seems to be a missing package registration" issues when upgrading and installing applications?
13:06 < mlw> I recently upgraded from 7.6 to 7.7 and many packages seem to need need a bit of extra care when installing.
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13:07 < mlw> I ended up doing pkg_delete -X to restart afresh and still I get the same errors.
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13:07 < mlw> This is on amd64
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13:18 < IcePic> mlw: sounds like your box could use a bit of "pkg_check" ?
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13:21 < mlw> IcePic: Thanks. I ran it once just before deciding to do pkg_delete -X
13:22 < mlw> I willl run it again. But this seems to just *check* does it actually solve underlying issues?
13:23 < IcePic> then again, it sounds like the indexes and metadata about packages was off, so if you pkg_delete -X then you could just wipe the pkg db files under /var to start clean
13:23 < IcePic> pkg_check -fF 
13:24 < mlw> Doing it now.
13:26 < mlw> Hmm, interesting! Lots of "unregistered temporary files"
13:27 < mlw> and some data found in /usr/local/lost+found and /var/lost+found
13:30 < mlw> Very nice tool. It looks like it might have done the trick.
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14:10 < adonis> I use dhcp6leased but am getting: "failed to send route message: File exists", every hour. Why would that be happening?
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14:30 < xse> adonis: "Since this is expected, do not log it as an error." changed somewhat recently maybe https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=176052737409907 
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14:32 < adonis> xse: ok, cool
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17:13 < ssm_> what the syspatch?
17:13 < ssm_> I've never seen such a thing
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17:14 < ssm_> I thought maybe undeadly's feed was just backed up but there really were just 5 syspatches today
17:15 < ssm_> the patches aren't even related, there's just 5 of them at once
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17:17 < ivdsangen> convenient having to upgrade only once
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17:23 < ssm_> true
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17:24 < ssm_> undeadly was faster than announce@, I still haven't gotten errata mail. or my server is bugged.
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17:27 < ssm_> ...think it's the latter
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17:35 < deconfed> bzz
17:38 < deconfed> analog info digitized: https://kilitary.ru/vault14.2/expandor.c
17:38 < phy1729> deconfed: stop with the noise
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18:38 < deconfed> https://skr.sh/sYtDQiVYGGP l8l
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18:40 < deconfed> this only is breaking the one possibly way of defend from stack router
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19:23 < Bradipo> Hmm, I already added deconfed to my /ignore, lol.
19:24 < thrig> yep me too
19:24 < Bradipo> Was it ever determined if deconfed is a bot or a human?
19:25 < ivdsangen> or some kind of combination of the two
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20:16 < deimosBSD> why not both.gif
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21:05 < polarian> hi there deimosBSD 
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21:22 < thrig> English is somewhat deficient in using inclusive and exclusive or with the same word
21:22 < thrig> tea or coffee? both, mixed
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21:24 < o0x1eef> Lol
21:25 < Bradipo> Or the same.
21:29 < ssm_> why does the rule `pass in on egress proto tcp to egress port smtp user _smtpd` not pass to smtpd? I need to remove the user line, or replace _smtpd with root for it to work. there is one process that is root-owned by smtpd, but the rest are _smtpd. should I use user {root _smtpd}?
21:30 < ssm_> more importantly, is there a way to know what user is listening on sockets?
21:31 < ssm_> -s/user line/user component from the rule/
21:31 < Bradipo> Os this a pf rule on the host where smtpd is running?
21:31 < ssm_> yes
21:31 < Bradipo> I'm not sure why you want to try to limit it to that...
21:31 < ssm_> because I'm only listening on egress for that port?
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21:32 < Bradipo> If someone has been successful at hacking your system and killing smtpd and staring a rogue smtpd as a different user, wouldn't they also be able to hack your pf rules?
21:33 < o0x1eef> You must be root to listen on a port <1024, and most services start as root before dropping privileges. So that could be why.
21:33 < ssm_> it could prevent a non-privileged user from listening on port 25 with their own daemon
21:34 < ssm_> I generally try to make my pf rules as strict as possible
21:34 < jca> a non-privileged user can't open a socket listening on port 25
21:34 < ssm_> right...
21:34 < ssm_> guess I'll remove it then
21:34 < o0x1eef> So how does it make sense?
21:34 < Bradipo> ssm_: How does a non-privileged user use port 25?
21:35 < ssm_> they don't. I was wrong
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21:35 < Bradipo> As I said, if they are successful at killing your smtpd and starting their own rogue smtpd, they have full control.
21:35 < jca> pf.conf(5) explicitely mentions looking up the user owning a listening socket.  but I didn't look at the code :)
21:36 < jca> probably the check looks at the uid of the process which opened the socket, which would be root
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21:38 < jca> ssm_: did you look at the pf.conf(5) manpage and get the impression that it should work as you expected, or did you simply try to add constraints in a mechanical way?
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21:41 < ssm_> jca: I've fully read the handbook in the faq, and I've read most of the manpage. I didn't know port <=1024 were root-restricted
21:43 < dlg> does matching incoming tcp to a user work on a simpler example?
21:44 < jca> good question!
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21:47 < anthk_> how can I remap a key in wscons?
21:47 < anthk_> the equivalent of keycode  94 = backslash bar backslash bar backslash bar in ~/.Xmodmap but under wscons
21:48 < ssm_> dlg: slapping `match log on pflog1 proto tcp to port smtp user _smtpd` in a random location in my pf.conf and listening on pflog1 and sending random smtp commands over wg0 says... no
21:48 < ssm_> s/wg0/egress/
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21:49 < Bradipo> ssm_: the restriction of ports has nothing to do with pf.
21:49 < Bradipo> It's been this way forever in Unix... daemons on ports <1024 require root.
21:50 < ssm_> I figured as much, I'm still green
21:50 < dlg> but smtpd changes user
21:50 < Bradipo> Still, I'm curious where that might be documented in OpenBSD. :-)
21:51 < dlg> fstat output looks like the port 25 listener is owned by a process running as _smtpd
21:51 < dlg> so is pf checking who created a socket or who owns a socket?
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21:51 < dlg> also, multiple processes can have the same fd and therefore socket open
21:52 < dlg> and processes can be running as different users, so it's complicated
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21:56 < dlg> tl;dr: pf looks at the user that created the socket
21:58 < uwharrie> https://man.openbsd.org/man2/sysctl.2#ip.portfirst
21:58 < ssm_> Bradipo: reading through `mandoc $(grep -lr 1024 /usr/share/man | xargs grep -l '\<port\>') | less -i` rpcinfo(8) mentions it, sysctl(2) implies it with ip.portfirst
21:58 < ssm_> uwuharrie found it
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22:04 < elarks> When updating packages does pkg_add cache the older versions or does it delete them? I cannot find anything about this
22:08 < uwharrie> it uninstalls them
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22:09 < elarks> o/
22:10 < uwharrie> if you want to cache them, see https://man.openbsd.org/pkg_add#PKG_CACHE
22:11 < thrig> pkg_delete -a  is also related
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22:12 < elarks> My concern is if these files would collect over time and I'd have to delete them
22:12 < ssm_> find -mtime may be useful
22:13 < uwharrie> one of the primary purposes of the pkg_* tools is to manage what gets (un)installed so you don't have to worry about things like that
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22:14 < ssm_> hmm... I'm gonna point PKG_CACHE at my dpb chroot's package directory
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22:16 < uwharrie> FETCH_PACKAGES + PKG_CACHE is pretty useful to minimize having to package up build-only dependencies
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22:27 < elarks> And also the reason I asked is because in FreeBSD you have to clean it yourself, at least from my understanding
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22:41 < ssm_> if you're using it just for ports, you can clean it up before you sysupgrade -s
22:41 < ssm_> along with a pkg_delete -X in your chroot
22:42 < elarks> I run -stable
22:43 < ssm_> stable's going to pull in so few packages it won't really matter to clear them out at all between releases.
22:43 < ssm_> well, no guarantees on that I guess
22:43 < ssm_> hypothetically infinite amount of patches
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