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00:14 < nerfur> anybody here with access to loongarch64 hardware? 
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01:40 < mischief> not i, but you can get them for a few hundred bucks off aliexpress
01:41 < mischief> currently messing around with my shiny new orangepi rv2 (spacemit k1 risc-v)
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05:44 < tercal> I have managed to access to the console of my VPS and see what the screen says (boot issue after upgrade), it was PF! The line 9 - out of memory.. It's a bad IPs list, a static list of 238979 IPs. 
05:44 < tercal> It's weird, version 7.7 was working fine with that list, so anything changed in the system? Commented that line out and the system was reachable back again.
06:06 < dlg> it's not using a table for it?
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07:31 < vortexx> tercal: try ajusting set limit table-entries in pf.conf, I've had that problem before too
07:31 < vortexx> (at the beginning of the file)
07:32 < tercal> dlg: It's: table <badhosts> persist file "/var/pf/bad.txt"
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07:32 < tercal> vortexx: I already have: set limit { states 200000, frags 200000, src-nodes 100000, table-entries 500000 }
07:33 < vortexx> mh weird should be fine then
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08:06 < mischief> nerfur: "> It succesfully compiles cross-tools and cross-distrib, build RAMDISK and efiboot," how did you build the cross tooling on openbsd? i tried to do it before for riscv but unsucessfully
08:09 < nerfur> mischief: this little guide https://gist.github.com/uebayasi/6328591 was GROUNDBREAKING for me :D hope for you will be too. At least I did succesfully risc-v cross-tools before diving to my own port
08:10 < mischief> when i mailed the list it went unanswered, i did want to try my hand at bringup for a new soc but obviously thats hard todo without the cross toolchain and build environment
08:10 < mischief> i will check later, thanks
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08:13 < mischief> nerfur: also, your mail went to spam on gmail. :-(
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08:15 < mischief> from your mail it sounds like you are able to run the openbsd efi loader, easiest results for debugging might come from just adding print statements to the loader code. efi loader is pretty simple, so it's not a lot of code to read and debug
08:17 < IcePic> wonder how close loongarch64 is to mips64 and/or octeons, like that project which runs on sgi's but uses octeon userland binaries
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08:20 < mischief> i have never looked closely at the isa, but i think it is likely walking dead now with risc-v which has way more velocity
08:20 < mischief> loongarch has been around since the aughts but there's over 10 times more risc-v IP than there ever was loongarch
08:21 < IcePic> the older loongson and so forth were very much mips64, but loongarch64 has diverged some, just not sure how much
08:21 < mischief> and since it's open arch the chinese fabs are all over it
08:21 < mischief> i have 3 risc-v and no loongarch, fwiw :)
08:21 < IcePic> sure, from a non-chinese perspective, loong* is a dead end, but they seem to have gotten a bit of traction there
08:22 < mischief> unfortunately openbsd supports none
08:22 < mischief> cv1800b, spacemit k1 and eic7700
08:23 < IcePic> I'm slowly moving over from octeons towards risc-vs, have some sifives going here
08:24 < mischief> you have the sifive unmatched with openbsd?
08:25 < IcePic> yeah, the visionfive2
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08:26 < IcePic> mischief: https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/dmesgd?do=view&id=8349
08:26 < mischief> oh from starfive
08:26 < mischief> i cheaped out and got the milk-v megrez with the eic7700 instead of the sifive premier p550
08:26 < mischief> its a cool board and one of the only soc to have h extension, but no openbsd support today
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08:30 < mischief> IcePic: i assume there's imgtec gpu in it and openbsd has no support?
08:31 < mischief> ah yeah IMG BXE-4-32 MC1
08:31 < mischief> imgtec is a blight upon riscv
08:32 < mischief> their drivers are not open
08:33 < mischief> the kernel drivers might be open just because linux but none of the mesa/gl userspace is open, its just binaries. and from what i have read, there is little hope to get open drivers for it
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09:16 < vortexx> mischief: I'm not surprised you didn't get any response to questions about cross compiling, I believe the devs simply don't want users trying it and flooding them with questions on how to do it, particularly on archs that are kinda bleeding edge
09:16 < vortexx> that goes for cross compiling packages too
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09:23 < IcePic> mischief: I haven't even thought about gfx console on any of my riscvs, they use serial consoles until ssh starts running
09:25 < IcePic> and what vortexx said, if your arch doesn't boot and you haven't set up if it uses 4,8 or 16k pages in the mmu yet, talking about why libpng in x11 gets miscompiled at -O2 optimization level is a total waste of time more or less.
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09:28 < cgnarne> vortexx: i think i've seen them write exactly that on the ml. cross compiling is only used to get a new arch off the ground. you're supposed to build on real hardware
09:31 < IcePic> historically, cross compilers had a hard time making sure they picked values from the destination target and not from the host env, so apart from things like "loongarch64 support is still wet paint-new), any such bugs would be added to a compiler that may or may not be correct for the arch to begin with
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10:01 < vortexx> cgnarne: yeah I saw that on ML
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12:16 < nerfur> IcePic: I'm not cool guy, but from wthat I see it is MIPS64 + RV64 + new things ( and we dont even start on layers of ARM/RV/Mips/x86 emulation acceleration at least they talk about it)
12:17 < nerfur> mischief: what one? misc or tech? 
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12:28 < IcePic> nerfur: yeah, I think it is still quite close to mips64
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14:27 < quinq> Would be nice to have timestamping in the dmesg :]
14:27 < sibiria> yeh
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14:42 < oldlaptop> it's *sort* of there, in that the copy in syslog will have timestamps
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14:51 < pardis> that will be the time syslogd received the message, not the time it was logged in dmesg
14:51 < pardis> which will be the same under normal circumstances, but not always
14:54 < quinq> What log would that be (if set by default)?
14:54 < pardis> /var/log/messages
14:55 < quinq> Well, the dmesg messages are not even there :(
14:56 < quinq> Got out of the rotation
14:56 < quinq> So yeah, a work-around but not a real alternative
14:56 < pardis> at least that tells you something about the timestamps
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14:58 < quinq> Yeah, it happened more than the older log rotation xD
14:58 < quinq> s/more/earlier/
15:00 < mischief> nerfur: both
15:04 < vortexx> if doing timestamps, please use time of day, not whatever useless thing linux uses. 
15:05 < sibiria> those are unix epoch timestamps
15:05 < pardis> no, Linux dmesg timestamps are seconds since boot
15:05 < pardis> if you read them as unix epoch timestamps you must think it's 1970
15:05 < sibiria> ah, right, it depends on how the system is configured
15:06 < sibiria> debian etc. uses timestamp relative to boot
15:06 < pardis> seconds since boot is really the only sensible choice given that the kernel might log messages before the actual time is known
15:07 < pardis> syslogd can always convert them into something human-readable later
15:07 < sibiria> i'll have to make a phonecall to olde centos and discuss it
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15:09 < quinq> Yes, can only be boot-time-related
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15:09 < quinq> And then you can easily relate them to current system wall-clock
15:10 < quinq> (which is what -T does on Linux)
15:11 < mischief> quinq: there's /var/run/dmesg.boot in case you needed a copy
15:11 < mischief> my dmesg is frequently overwritten with garbage like 'ndp info overwritten for fe80:a::c6a8:16ff:fecd:b5d2 by c4:a8:16:cd:b5:d2 on vport0
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15:19 < quinq> mischief, then I get one timestamp, the last modify one :D
15:19 < quinq> You're right about those messages though yeah, here it's also pppoe ones
15:22 < mischief> well, there's no timestamp because the kernel does not provide one
15:23 < mischief> see KERN_MSGBUF in sysctl(2)
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15:24 < quinq> Yes, that is the initial issue :)
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15:33 < IcePic> mischief: interesting, does the mac that does the overwrite change also?
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15:34 < IcePic> mischief: only seen such on v4, but when you have a v6 ip that is supposedly made up from the mac, it is quite weird if it changes mac but retains the ip
15:34 < sibiria> the v4 arp spam is pretty frequent these days
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15:35 < sibiria> something something "use 'private' MAC address"
15:35 < IcePic> mischief: and in your example the first mac-addr by changes from c6 to c4, so that could indicate some network eq. having a bit flip on bit #1 making the 6 into a 4
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15:36 < oldlaptop> <vortexx> if doing timestamps, please use time of day, not whatever useless thing linux uses. 
15:36 < oldlaptop> linux dmesg(1) will translate them to human-time if asked
15:37 < IcePic> dmesg -T
15:38 < mischief> IcePic: that bit would be the 'locally administered' bit
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15:38  * oldlaptop is much more deeply annoyed by the now-common restrictions on even seeing dmesg
15:38 < mischief> i have 3 such messages already in my dmesg since boot, i don't recall if the mac changed
15:39 < mischief> i think once upon a time dlg told me what it means
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15:49 < lts> Can we actually get timestamps on the openbsd dmesg?
15:50 < oldlaptop> That would be a cool patch
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15:50 < oldlaptop> (or so I would think)
15:51 < lts> If it's behind "kernel doesn't provide timestamps" that might be a tall order
15:52 < thrig> router pairs somethings spam mac changes and arp requests
15:52 < mischief> syslogd's timestamping is about as good as you'll get
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16:17 < IcePic> mischief: it means that your ndp entry (or mac addr entry in arp table) got an update before it expired in your cache (something like 300s TTL on those)
16:18 < IcePic> so someone pushed the info that ip X is now on mac Y while your computer still thought ip X was on mac Z
16:19 < IcePic> usually this mostly happends if you flip hw for which router is .1 or so, and it sends out "I am now x.y.z.1 instead of what was there before" and if the old hw isn't online, clients will accept it, but obsd logs that it happened
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16:19 < IcePic> and you don't see this for carp, since those already use a "fake" mac to be the shared carp ip, so they dont have to update all the clients, only let the switch know that the mac is now on another port
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16:27 < mischief> probably something todo with the wifi aps i use
16:31 < IcePic> mischief: its still a bit weird to have a mac-derived ip change, which is why it would have been interresting to see which macs it was flipping between
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18:06 < vortexx> oldlaptop: ah yes so it can, I really should know this
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18:56 < znh> i'd like to have a rootfs in a ram, what would be the way to go?
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19:03 < vortexx> znh: have a look at flashrd, it's an openbsd based project that does that
19:03 < vortexx> if it's still around
19:03 < vortexx> https://www.nmedia.net/flashrd/
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19:32 < znh> unfortunately a bit dead
19:33 < znh> could one break the boot process and re-chroot to tmpfs?
19:36 < znh> it seems silly to launch a qemu with hda on tmpfs although pragmatic
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19:48 < vortexx> znh: you could still use the script it uses to mount the root into ram though
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19:50 < vortexx> https://stable.rcesoftware.com/resflash/
19:50 < vortexx> there's that too
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