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07:01 < rnkn> is there a convention to naming non-login users with leading underscores like _user?
07:03 < rsadowski> no, for example: www:*:67:67:HTTP Server:/var/www:/sbin/nologin
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08:31 < quinq> _w_w_w
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09:11 < vortexx> I'd say www user predates the naming convention, but non-login native to openbsd users do get _ in front of their names
09:12 < vortexx> www was kept www just to preserve compatiblity I reckon
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10:15 < zbcm> Open a new shell and the first thing I see is "You do not have mail."
10:16 < zbcm> Had to do a double take. I rigged it to run fortune
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10:22 < avemestr> Hah.
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12:19 < puffybuf> oh no ungoogle-chromium broken do I seriously need to build the port. Where do I get older packages in snapshots
12:23 < puffybuf> I guess I signed up for this using -current
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12:37 < xse> workaround maybe https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=176547000204358
12:38 < xse> there are archives for the base system but i don't know if there are for packages
12:40 < seninha> btw, ppl using -curren, is webrtc-based audio/video calls on ungoogled-chromium working again?
12:40 < seninha> i want to use -current again but need to do calls on telegram web
12:41 < seninha> the issue was related to the new ffmpeg version iirc
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19:27 < vortexx> seninha: best answer to that is (no it's not just go try -current) try in a vm on linux maybe? (if you have secondary hw or are dual booting)
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21:52 < uzuri> hi
21:52 < uzuri> why do fonts not work
21:53 < uzuri> am i missing something? followed the steps in fonts(7) but my terminal still refuses to display special characters
21:56 < avemestr> What kind of "special characters"?
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21:59 < avemestr> uzuri: Might be a good idea to export LC_ALL in your .profile with the relevant locale, if it's just a matter of special characters in your language.
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22:29 < vortexx> uzuri: if you mean in console, you're not getting special characters. If in X11, then see above remarks
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22:42 < uzuri> avemestr: anything beyond the english alphabet
22:43 < uzuri> setting the locale wont change anything, downloading fonts and running "fc-cache" also doesnt change anything
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22:43 < uzuri> i never bothered to set up fonts like at all, always could live without them
22:44 < uzuri> but now since ive moved my emails to neomutt, its getting unavoidable
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22:46 < uzuri> relogin didnt change anything
22:50 < uzuri> (¬`‸´¬)
22:50 < uzuri> hmm
22:51 < uzuri> okay its working but not in neomutt
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22:53 < uzuri> 🤨
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22:57 < tvtoon> try using GTK applications, browsers or emacs
22:58 < tvtoon> I found out recently that GTK can handle over the worst, but I don't know if OBSD latest got support for the UTF output
22:58 < tvtoon> *on terminals
22:59 < uzuri> tvtoon: gtk applications seem to respect the locale (keepassxc changed language and is displaying the special chars in question)
23:00 < uzuri> and oBSD seems to have good support, since even emojis work flawless in my suckless terminal
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23:04 < tvtoon> while this may not be the case, watch out for noto font family that bugs out the fontconfig
23:06 < ssm_> wide glyph rendering is bugged in xterm
23:06 < ssm_> ksh doesn't handle it well either
23:10 < uzuri> tvtoon: funny enough thats the exact one im using
23:10 < uzuri> ssm_: which one you recommend?
23:12 < tvtoon> st is the best terminal you can use to test any kind of stuff, but if you want something that will work that is probably gnome terminal
23:12 < ssm_> uzuri: ksh and xterm, LC_CTYPE=C
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23:15 < ssm_> I'm okay giving up xterm, don't want to give up ksh
23:16 < uzuri> tvtoon: im currently going back and forth with kitty and st, same issue on both
23:16 < uzuri> also emojis, etc work on st too
23:17 < uzuri> ssm_: thats one of the most answers of all time :D
23:19 < uzuri> it might be an issue with neomutt itself
23:19 < uzuri> but maybe not
23:20 < uzuri> just checked, in vi i again dont have unicode support
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23:20 < uzuri> so when i paste in emojis, special chars etc then they dont display as before
23:20 < uzuri> but when i cat the file, everything displays fine in my terminal
23:21 < uzuri> looking at the file with less also renders the emojis fine, its just vi
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23:43 < humm> uzuri: base vi doesn’t know UTF-8, but ports nvi does
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