--- Log opened Mon Dec 15 00:00:06 2025 00:02 -!- tuftedocelot [~tuftedoce@2a03:6000:1019::57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08 -!- ecbrown [~user@user/ecbrown] has joined #openbsd 00:08 -!- tuftedocelot [~tuftedoce@2a03:6000:1019::57] has joined #openbsd 00:10 -!- sotov1ch [~sotov1ch@user/sotov1ch] has quit [Quit: sotov1ch] 00:21 -!- sinvet [~seeker@user/sinvet] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:22 -!- willyg [~willyg_co@user/willyg-cos/x-4994202] has quit [Quit: willyg] 00:22 -!- dogg0 [~dogg0@user/dogg0] has joined #openbsd 00:37 -!- greybyte1 [~greybyte0@47-204-200-51.fdr02.brtn.fl.ip.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.7.0] 00:39 -!- JohnGalt [~JohnGalt@user/TechBroLifer] has joined #openbsd 00:39 < JohnGalt> I just did a fresh install, trying to use yubikey 5c as a HID device with two slots configured, ykman info shows deevice, device blinks, but no keyboard output 00:45 < byteskeptical> JohnGalt: the otp feature was disabled by default in 7.8 + 00:45 < JohnGalt> the keyboard one? 00:46 < byteskeptical> yeah that's the otp feature the two slots you can press 00:46 < JohnGalt> I just put a password on it along with my gnupg stuff 00:46 -!- kli0rf [kli0rf@user/kli0rf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46 < JohnGalt> there must be a way to re-enable the HID keyboard 00:46 < byteskeptical> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20250822064253 00:47 < byteskeptical> there is but it requires a kernel recompile 00:47 < JohnGalt> oh my 00:48 < JohnGalt> will the ssh part still work? 00:49 < byteskeptical> yeah it's unfortunate not something I'm in support of especially with the rather weak reasoning but we are at the developers whims 00:49 -!- niftily [~niftily@user/niftily] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:50 -!- parai [~parai@user/parai] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50 -!- eniac [~eniac@user/eniac] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:50 -!- eniac [~eniac@user/eniac] has joined #openbsd 00:51 < byteskeptical> here is a great write-up about the kernel recompile process: https://research.exoticsilicon.com/series/reckless_guide_to_openbsd/custom_kernel 00:52 -!- parai [~parai@user/parai] has joined #openbsd 00:52 -!- begriffs [~begriffs@user/begriffs] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:53 -!- sputnik [kli0rf@user/kli0rf] has joined #openbsd 00:54 < mischief> see release(8) step 2 00:55 < JohnGalt> I am really struggling with this, I am not used to this weird cut and paste, I dont have a middle mouse button 00:55 < JohnGalt> I have a trackpad 00:56 < byteskeptical> JohnGalt: it will but again the touch portion will not without recompile as the patch prevents the system from mounting the HID device which is why touching does nothing 00:56 < byteskeptical> shift + insert will also paste 00:56 < JohnGalt> thanks! 00:56 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has joined #openbsd 00:57 -!- niftily [~niftily@user/niftily] has joined #openbsd 01:02 -!- parai [~parai@user/parai] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:05 < JohnGalt> Ding=Shooter#dead!4242' 01:05 < JohnGalt> exit 01:06 -!- JohnGalt [~JohnGalt@user/TechBroLifer] has left #openbsd [ERC 5.6.0.30.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 30.2)] 01:06 * mischief takes notes 01:08 -!- AbsolutelyFree_ [~Absolutel@user/AbsolutelyFree] has joined #openbsd 01:09 -!- AbsolutelyFree [~Absolutel@user/AbsolutelyFree] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:09 -!- AbsolutelyFree_ is now known as AbsolutelyFree 01:24 -!- JohnGalt [~JohnGalt@user/TechBroLifer] has joined #openbsd 01:24 < JohnGalt> that password needed to be changed anyways 01:30 -!- antubis [~antubis@108-218-226-13.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 01:32 -!- antubis [~antubis@108-218-226-13.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:33 < tux0r> make it 6969 01:35 -!- memset_ [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 01:38 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:43 -!- JohnGalt [~JohnGalt@user/TechBroLifer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43 -!- sunwind [~paradox@2a01:4b00:d112:ba00:2ef0:5dff:fee9:a8ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:45 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has quit [Quit: EPIC6-0.0.1[3083] - amnesiac : Are we there yet?] 01:49 -!- akinji [~akinji@user/akinji] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:52 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has joined #openbsd 01:59 -!- fedaykin [~rusty@user/fedaykin] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:00 -!- fedaykin [~rusty@user/fedaykin] has joined #openbsd 02:01 < thrig> I find your lack of faith in Hunter2 disturbing 02:04 -!- stuart [~stuart@2001:4091:a246:827c:248e:2229:17ce:ef63] has quit [] 02:13 < oldlaptop> wait a minute, why don't I see *s? is it not case sensitive? 02:24 -!- xx [~xx@user/xx] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:27 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/hunter2.pl 02:29 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 02:29 < ssm_> hunter67 02:36 < mischief> anyone know how to make relayd listen on ::? 'listen on :: port 443 tls' seems to make it try to open a tls cert called '::' 02:39 -!- crb [~crb@2001:5a8:45c2:6300:a18f:9828:9605:6d29] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:39 -!- crb [~crb@23-93-251-120.dedicated.static.sonic.net] has joined #openbsd 02:40 < pardis> you need to also define a 'tls keypair' 02:40 < pardis> it defaults to the keypair name being the same as the listen address 02:40 < pardis> which is fine if you have a keypair named ::, of course 02:40 < ecbrown> listen on :: port 443 tls 02:41 -!- waves [~waves@user/waves] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:41 < ecbrown> nvm 02:41 < mischief> pardis: i have a keypair defined in the 'http protocol' block ... 02:42 < thrig> you could also have a DNS address that resolves to the right ipv6 addr 02:43 < pardis> mischief: I don't know what to suggest then, that's the same as my (working) config 02:43 < mischief> it's dynamic, so, probably no 02:43 < mischief> ok, i made a separate relay block specifically for ipv6, and that works 02:44 < mischief> it seems to fail if i have both 'listen on 0.0.0.0 port 443 tls' and 'listen on :: port 443 tls' in the same relay block ... 02:46 < mischief> also, imagine my face when i read this reply from my ISP support about their ipv6 shenanigans 02:46 < mischief> "Yeah, they should be using DHCP anyways. No clue what SLAAC is or if that's anything You'd be able to check for." 02:47 -!- deconfed [deconfed@188.242.96.248] has joined #openbsd 02:48 < mischief> i ended up patching slaacd to stop configuring the slaac address proposals and so now only have the address from dhcp6leased's prefix delegation.. and now ipv6 seems to work 02:48 -!- SirJitsu [~SirJitsu@162-231-111-175.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:49 -!- SirJitsu [~SirJitsu@162-231-111-175.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 02:51 < pardis> yes, relayd fails if you try to listen to ipv4 and ipv6 in the same block 02:54 < mischief> i'm noticing that 02:54 < mischief> HTTP/1.0 413 Payload Too Large 02:55 -!- SirJitsu [~SirJitsu@162-231-111-175.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:56 < ecbrown> i have seen these sorts of errors before, fixed by increasing connection max request body in /etc/httpd.conf 02:56 < mischief> this seems like it shouldn't even be possible 02:57 -!- deconfed [deconfed@188.242.96.248] has quit [K-Lined] 02:57 < ecbrown> i also like caddy 02:57 * ecbrown ducks 02:57 -!- bradd [~quassel@user/bradd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58 -!- waves [~waves@user/waves] has joined #openbsd 02:58 < mischief> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/98cd7130/ 02:59 < mischief> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/usr.sbin/relayd/relay_http.c#L241 03:01 -!- bradd [~quassel@user/bradd] has joined #openbsd 03:01 -!- jitter [~jitter@user/jitter] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:03 -!- parai [~parai@user/parai] has joined #openbsd 03:03 -!- jitter [~jitter@149.224.43.255.dynamic-pppoe.dt.ipv4.wtnet.de] has joined #openbsd 03:03 -!- jitter [~jitter@149.224.43.255.dynamic-pppoe.dt.ipv4.wtnet.de] has quit [Changing host] 03:03 -!- jitter [~jitter@user/jitter] has joined #openbsd 03:07 -!- bradd [~quassel@user/bradd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09 -!- bradd [~quassel@user/bradd] has joined #openbsd 03:11 -!- nitro_ [~nitro@66.189.205.223] has joined #openbsd 03:13 -!- nitro__ [~nitro@66.189.205.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:20 < mischief> ok, i think relayd just doesn't work with bare v6 addresses 03:20 < mischief> i setup an AAAA record and now my website works with ipv6 :-) 03:21 -!- tvtoon [~The_cUnix@user/tvtoon] has quit [Quit: "Materia"] 03:21 -!- ecbrown [~user@user/ecbrown] has quit [Quit: ERC 5.6.0.30.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 30.2)] 03:28 -!- ecbrown [~user@user/ecbrown] has joined #openbsd 03:32 -!- m0v [~m0v@user/m0v] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:36 -!- m0v [~m0v@210.87.86.197] has joined #openbsd 03:36 -!- m0v [~m0v@210.87.86.197] has quit [Changing host] 03:36 -!- m0v [~m0v@user/m0v] has joined #openbsd 03:42 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-171-96-192-165.revip8.asianet.co.th] has joined #openbsd 03:53 -!- _zip100 [~zip100@193.32.248.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:55 -!- zip100 [~zip100@193.32.248.193] has joined #openbsd 03:55 -!- m0v [~m0v@user/m0v] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:07 -!- memset_ [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 04:25 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has quit [Quit: ublx] 04:33 -!- fstd_ [~fstd@xdsl-87-78-148-40.nc.de] has joined #openbsd 04:35 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:36 -!- fstd [~fstd@xdsl-78-34-130-130.nc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:36 -!- fstd_ is now known as fstd 04:37 -!- rootnode_ [~rootnode@softbank126206228003.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:39 -!- dogg0 [~dogg0@user/dogg0] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:39 -!- dogg0 [~dogg0@user/dogg0] has joined #openbsd 04:40 -!- dogg0 [~dogg0@user/dogg0] has quit [Client Quit] 04:40 -!- dogg0 [~dogg0@user/dogg0] has joined #openbsd 04:42 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:42 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 04:50 -!- sunwind [~paradox@143.58.219.128] has joined #openbsd 04:52 -!- OnASnoopPhone [~OnASnoopP@user/OnASnoopPhone] has joined #openbsd 04:54 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-171-96-192-165.revip8.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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(although I dont trust mullvad) why not go all out tor for all your traffic? 10:10 < polarian> there is a balance every one of us must find for ourselves, personally I focus on the more security-focused issues, such as disabiling opengl wasm and JIT 10:11 < polarian> these 3 are the cause of a large percentage of the vulnerabilities in firefox, disabiling them shrinks the attack vector 10:11 < polarian> then the next thing I do is ensure that my firefox is updated quickly so I have the least exposure to disclosed vulnerabilities as possible 10:12 < polarian> hell you can chroot firefox to further limit it, but on OpenBSD pledge and unveil already limit it massive. 10:12 < sibiria> does firefox, or even librefox and similar, even offer a user-friendly toggle for those things? 10:13 < sibiria> the JS JIT and webasm etc. 10:13 < sibiria> or do you have to dive into about:config as for so many other things 10:13 < polarian> and when you spend your life scared of the latest firefox telemetry, you then realise that every single website is tracking you, ublock blocks a large percentage of it but cant block it all 10:13 < polarian> I have ublock with all optional blocklists 10:13 < polarian> it blocks ~50% of requests on average 10:14 < polarian> sibiria: librewolf can trail behind on update speed unless you compile it yourself 10:14 -!- ivanbu [~weechat@93.176.171.127] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.8.1] 10:14 < polarian> the devs *usually* are quick, but distribution of said software takes time 10:14 < polarian> notably last I checked librewolf on freebsd (not sure about openbsd) can trail behind by weeks 10:15 < polarian> like I said there is a balance, and for me a basic run through about:config to disable stuff manually which takes ~5 mins gives me a decent enough baseline, I am obviously better off if I used arkenfox, but how much time should I dedicate of my life worrying about browser tracking? 10:16 < polarian> another issue with librewolf is last time I used it, it broke a lot of stuff 10:17 < sibiria> polarian: it does, but in my experience from using librewolf for about a year it's usually no more than 4-5 days, about the same as firefox on openbsd, or the latency of when "regulars" get the update nag by firefox itself 10:17 < polarian> I know its better now, its been years, however once you get used to a workflow, its annoying to change 10:17 < sibiria> so far i've been pleased with librewolf 10:17 -!- DarkTaffy [~oldben@user/Old-Ben-Jabroni] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:18 < polarian> sibiria: I liked it when I used it, just at the time of using it, it broke too much and I spent most my time falling back to firefox 10:18 < polarian> then the annoyance of keeping it up to date maybe 2 years ago? was driving me mad 10:18 < polarian> in the end I just didn't have the time to care 10:18 -!- DarkTaffy [~oldben@user/Old-Ben-Jabroni] has joined #openbsd 10:21 -!- h57 [~r57@ip212-227-87-14.pbiaas.com] has joined #openbsd 10:23 < polarian> sibiria: so I do get your point but now I have settled on disabiling the big issues, and enabled things like resist fingerprinting, it does dramatically decrease the shit, sure I didn't eliminate it, but at the same time I very rarely have pages which break. Maybe I might look into dual browsers again, hell I haven't ever dug into the different user profiles on your browser allowing me to separate 10:23 < polarian> off different tasks to different configs. The issue with this is it all adds complexity, and complexity leads to mistakes 10:29 -!- h57 [~r57@ip212-227-87-14.pbiaas.com] has quit [] 10:31 -!- ivanbu [~weechat@93.176.171.127] has joined #openbsd 10:32 < polarian> running my firefox config through https://coveryourtracks.eff.org yields strong protection, and through https://browseraudit.com yields 32 warnings, mainly around javascript execution which I dont touch because it is most likely to break pages. 10:33 < polarian> also one benefit of doing the config yourself is that you understand what you are changing, and why it benefits you. 10:34 < sibiria> my own "take" on it is that i just do the best i can with the user-friendly settings and ditto for ublock origin, and then i do a bit of tuning under the hood via the about:config panel 10:35 < sibiria> in the last part i know there are some things i can improve on. i just haven't gotten around to dig up good documentation on all the knowns and unknowns 10:35 < sibiria> maybe we can exchange some data on it some time? 10:36 < sibiria> you know, "i'll show you mine if you show me yours" 10:44 -!- sonya [~nightwolf@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has joined #openbsd 10:46 -!- jgh [~jgh@hellmouth.gulag.org.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47 < polarian> lol I am sure you document yours a whole lot better than my not at all 10:48 < polarian> usually I start from scratch every install 10:48 < polarian> so considering I havent touched about:config for a while now, I am surprised the browser tests weren't worse :p 10:50 < polarian> oh also I do some weird stuff too which you wouldnt expect for privacy, for example I use local DNS as I use always on vpn, so my system DNS is actually via a tunnel to a trusted recursive resolver which validates DNSSEC (or should, need to fix it :p), this is a privacy problem as DNS leaks but I rather the security benefit of not needing to trust some big tech dns server, I know someone who has 10:50 < polarian> forwarding DNS over tor, and then validates DNS locally, but I never liked the idea of relying on big tech solution of "mash lots of queries together and that yields privacy" 10:50 < polarian> so I take a privacy hit there 10:51 < polarian> I could technically use DoT/DoH but again this then means relying on some upstream DNS server, I can always validate this locally but still... sits uneasy with me 10:51 < polarian> IMO tld and root NS need to support TLS, thats the solution, anything else is a duct tape solution 10:52 -!- psydroid3 [~psydroid@185.99.206.53] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.2.6 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:55 -!- librecat [uid714233@id-714233.helmsley.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd 10:56 < polarian> also thx talking about this urged me to look through about:preferences and about:config and theres a few new things I didn't turn off 10:56 < polarian> I wish mozilla did a "disable feature by default on update" 10:56 < polarian> you know, if I want it, I would enable it. 10:56 < polarian> maybe using ESR might be a good idea? I am not a big fan of new features and ESR holds a lot of the bullshit back for a while 10:57 < librecat> yeah use esr 10:57 < polarian> although again i think ESR has the issue of being updated slower 10:57 < librecat> yeah 10:57 < polarian> by updated I mean port 10:57 < librecat> i kinda shot myself in foot by going to nvidia 10:57 < librecat> no more openbsd 10:57 < polarian> slower port update, and slower package distribution 10:57 < polarian> librecat: :/ 10:57 < polarian> I just use old laptops :0 10:57 < librecat> slow asf 10:57 < polarian> the one I am currently on runs FreeBSD, dont shoot me :p 10:58 < polarian> I daily drive freebsd, but I have another laptop with openBSD 10:58 < polarian> the issue with my other laptop is that I haven't ironed out wifi issues 10:58 < polarian> my desk has ethernet, but when I am out on the go I need wifi, because public networks dont let you plug in :c 10:59 < polarian> we need to start a hackerpub, only the finest beer on tap, and ethernet termination at every table for hacking :p 10:59 < polarian> wifi being strictly limited to only the essential speed of 1mbps as people use their mobile phones for messaging people. 11:00 < sibiria> and wpa3 support in openbsd. coming by 2030. maybe. 11:01 < polarian> hah 11:01 -!- miojo [~miojo@179.235.179.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01 < polarian> well hansteens "The book of pf" has a good guide in it to use ipsec to harden your wifi 11:01 < polarian> but I rather use wireguard 11:01 -!- miojo [~miojo@179.235.179.133] has joined #openbsd 11:01 -!- housemate [~housemate@202.7.247.155] has joined #openbsd 11:01 < polarian> TLS wrapped in WPA2 wrapped in WG 11:02 < polarian> re: WPA you could use enterprise with 802.1x if you hate yourself enough to spin up a radius server 11:02 < sibiria> in the long gone past, before openbsd as a wifi access point was acceptable, i ran a stricly unencrypted wifi network but with forced ipsec. it wasn't too bad 11:02 < polarian> better crypto 11:02 < polarian> downside of needing to auth though 11:02 -!- yclept [~yclept@user/yclept] has joined #openbsd 11:02 < polarian> actually is it a downside? 11:03 < sibiria> with wireguard such a solution becomes yet better, since it won't respond to any unauthenticated traffic 11:03 < polarian> you can give out 24 hour wifi access to $FRIENDS and $FAMILY and then revoke it 11:03 < polarian> with 802.1x 11:03 < polarian> if you keep the same PSKs for wifi people who borrowed wifi access auto-connect 11:04 < polarian> issue is hardware support, most APs do not support it unless you go cisco, which costs a pretty penny and iirc have mandatory cloud requirements now 11:04 < polarian> openwrt iirc can support it, but you need to patch it in manually and compile it from src 11:04 < sibiria> compiling openwrt from source is a breeze 11:05 < polarian> compile BSD from source is (mostly) a breeze 11:05 < sibiria> they put a lot of effort into the build (and configure) system 11:05 < polarian> so do BSD's 11:05 < polarian> :p 11:05 < polarian> ~unlike Linux~ 11:10 < sonya> polarian, afair, cisco have/had 'standalone' ap's, like AIR-AP1262N-x-K9, and some folks reflash to 'standalone' similar, non AP, models 11:13 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd 11:15 < sonya> and at least bwfm(4) could act as AP for usb cards.. 11:16 < sonya> heh.. along with athn(4) ... 11:16 < sibiria> athn(4) does not work. has never worked 11:17 < sibiria> bwfm(4) and ral(4) are the only ones known to actually function in hostap mode 11:17 < sibiria> ral/ural 11:18 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd 11:18 < sonya> man athn looks very good :) 11:19 < sibiria> good on paper, shit in reality 11:19 < sonya> and ral is not for usb's 11:19 < sibiria> ural is the USB one 11:20 < sonya> with /g limits.. yes i see, thanks 11:21 < sibiria> i ran ral(4) for over 10 years before i got tired of 22 mbit/s speed limit. rock solid performance, but stuck in the past 11:25 -!- djhankb93118 [~djhankb@ip-208-113-164-68.nodes.dream.io] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25 -!- djhankb93118 [~djhankb@ip-208-113-164-68.nodes.dream.io] has joined #openbsd 11:32 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 11:35 -!- sotov1ch [~sotov1ch@user/sotov1ch] has joined #openbsd 11:53 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd 11:53 -!- jgh [~jgh@hellmouth.gulag.org.uk] has joined #openbsd 12:01 -!- euphores [~SASL_euph@user/euphores] has joined #openbsd 12:18 -!- miojo [~miojo@179.235.179.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18 -!- miojo [~miojo@179.235.179.133] has joined #openbsd 12:19 < polarian> sonya: yeah but the issue with usb and also wifi like on the rpi (which is bwfm but for some reason cant find the firmware for it despite being installed, I need to look into this) is the shitty attennas 12:19 < polarian> they dont work well as wifi AP as they do not have the strength 12:19 < polarian> especially where I live where theres like 20 APs around me, a lot of the channels are contested 12:21 < sibiria> 11g is particularly sensitive to it. it got a lot better with 11n and more so with 11ac 12:21 < sibiria> a lot of this is also in how good signal processing the hardware/firmware does. the ral(4) chip i ran for a decade was practically unfazed by the 30 other APs in my vicinity, but other wifi products had loads of problems 12:26 < polarian> sibiria: I believe some industrial routers are supported by openbsd (I dont know which, I just heard of it as a rumour) which have connectors to attach attennas, these would be a good starting point for OpenBSD wifi 12:26 < polarian> AP* 12:27 < polarian> so I guess if someone manages to find one which works with OpenBSD more can be done to push OpenBSD wifi AP adoption maybe? 12:27 < polarian> right now I just have shitty tenda APs 12:29 -!- z3bra [~z3bra@apophis.z3bra.org] has joined #openbsd 12:29 < sibiria> in most cases, you can just attach your own antennas. in some cases, you will need to take care of impedance differences, or you will experience signal attenuation 12:29 < polarian> I did plan to swap them with openwrt at some point, it would also be cool if someone soft forked OpenBSD, and used the work from the embedded bsd folks to get OpenBSD running on openwrt supported devices (as we could borrow research done by Linux folks on getting payloads running on those) 12:29 < polarian> sibiria: I dont know enough about wifi and wireless devices to be able to do any of this 12:30 < polarian> im stoopid :p 12:30 < polarian> OpenBSD WifiOS would be cool 12:30 < sibiria> pretty much most integrated things use U.FL connectors. tiny tiny surface-mounted connectors 12:30 < polarian> OpenBSD payloads for wifi APs 12:30 < polarian> :p 12:30 < sibiria> standard stuff. antennas with these connectors are found everywhere. all brands use them 12:30 < polarian> hmmm 12:31 < polarian> well I guess with some basic soldering skills it could be possible 12:31 < polarian> I am curious about the rpi though 12:31 < sibiria> no need for soldering 12:31 < polarian> im not too sure where the attenna on that board is, anything metallic can be used as an antenna (laptop lids tend to be used) 12:31 < polarian> so I wonder what a rpi uses for it 12:32 < sibiria> not too hard to spot once you have a look on the board. especially not if the wifi/bt is an M.2 card 12:32 -!- gotohello [~gotohello@user/gotohello] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:32 < polarian> sibiria: I think it just uses the metal on top of the chip 12:33 < polarian> the traces are there, but no ability to attach to it 12:33 < sibiria> some of the tiny SBCs use a routed on-board antenna 12:33 < polarian> I just checked someones DIY hack for it which involved soldering to the traces to attach an external attenna 12:33 < polarian> wait no lemme grab my spare rpi 12:33 < polarian> I think theres a tiny metallic strip 12:33 < polarian> s/strip/wire/ 12:33 < polarian> connected to the chip 12:34 -!- witt [~witt@122.235.175.206] has joined #openbsd 12:34 < polarian> omfg it does 12:35 < sibiria> iirc the pi5 just has two solder pads. no U.FL connector 12:35 < polarian> pi 4 from the looks of it has one pas 12:35 < sibiria> need to do a bit of tinkering in that case 12:35 < polarian> pad 12:35 < polarian> lemme see what this diy hacker did 12:36 < polarian> lol he literally soldered a connector to the pad 12:36 < polarian> 1damn well 12:36 < polarian> i wanna do this 12:36 < polarian> I dont have time to do this before my talk at FOSDEM tho 12:37 < polarian> fuckkkkkkkkk 12:37 < sibiria> yeah you need to cut the path to the routed antenna and solder at the least a header there, if not wanting to mess around with U.FL. but it's absolutely doable 12:37 < polarian> maybe for EuroBSDCon I can submit a talk about converting raspberry pi's into low power wifi APs running OpenBSD 12:38 < polarian> well with a SMA connector you can attach much bigger attennas 12:39 < polarian> provided the bwfm fireware support is there (which I doubt it is, no offence to OpenBSD but firmware isn't its strongpoint) 12:39 < polarian> firmware* 12:39 < polarian> these little things could become very interesting wifi APs 12:40 < polarian> sibiria: thx for the idea :) 12:40 -!- niftily [~niftily@user/niftily] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:40 < polarian> my talk at FOSDEM will be about using any old hardware as a router to secure your network, a follow up talk about wifi would be natural, and provided I can find the time, I might be able to get that talk into EuroBSDCon 12:41 < polarian> provided I am able to pull it off that is 12:41 < polarian> goto stoopid 12:41 < polarian> hell I could make it more interesting to, provided I can pull it off (a big if) RPi 4b especially with the 5s coming out now, have become rather cheap 12:42 < sibiria> wouldn't the pi zero be a better fit for such a specific case? 12:42 < polarian> hmmm maybe 12:42 < polarian> less RAM 12:42 < sibiria> i think that one already has an U.FL connector for the wifi 12:42 < polarian> depends on how much you want to push it 12:43 < polarian> what if someone wants a wifi AP/router duo? 12:43 < polarian> like ye typical ISP router 12:43 < polarian> RPI 4B has the IO for it 12:44 < polarian> you know what would be cool... a daughter board for the USB 3.0 ports on the RPi 4b 12:44 < polarian> now this makes it bigger than a credit card, but within a case, the daughter board can be connected to the main board, and break out the USB 3.0 into RJ45 ports 12:44 < sibiria> radxa zero has a version with more RAM, and wireless 12:45 < polarian> and instead of a shitty usb NIC 12:45 < sibiria> the 3W 12:45 < polarian> a proper ethernet chip could be used 12:45 < sibiria> they have a 3E for that. no on-board wifi 12:45 < sibiria> other than that, 3W and 3E is the same board 12:46 < polarian> sibiria: the issue with the zeros is lack of ethernet connectivity 12:46 < sibiria> 3E = ethernet 12:47 < polarian> thats from radxa 12:47 < polarian> does it have OpenBSD support? 12:47 < sibiria> not officially. i saw some commit adding the 3W but i have no idea if it actually works. i have the 3E which i run with lukewarm success using mainline u-boot 12:48 < dlg> it should work if you get an appropriate u-boot for it 12:48 < polarian> hmm the 3E has a USB-C connector which is USB-3.0 12:48 < polarian> which could be used again for ethernet connectivity to use as a router as well 12:48 < polarian> as you need min 2 ports 12:48 < polarian> and then you can do vlan on a stick 12:48 < polarian> s/vlan/router/ 12:48 < polarian> have one as a vlan trunk, one for WAN 12:48 < dlg> what are you trying to do? 12:48 < sibiria> dlg: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-arm&m=176160542516588&w=2 12:49 < polarian> dlg: spitballing cool networking shit with OpenBSD :) 12:50 < dlg> sibiria: nice. how hot does it run? 12:50 < polarian> I would prefer to stick to rpi as it has better support 12:50 < polarian> but for the zero they could make good secondary APs 12:50 < polarian> aka, have the router as a 4B with a DIY connector for wifi attennas 12:51 -!- divansantana [~divansant@192.145.132.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:52 < sibiria> dlg: since 7.8 it doesn't want to go above its lowest clock frequency, and doesn't get the least warm. on 7.6 it ran at full power usage for reasons i never understood, but it was entirely managable with the small coin-sized heatsinks i put on the SoC and RAM 12:52 < sibiria> i've gotten no attention at all to my posts so i really have nothing more to experiment with at this point 12:52 -!- divansantana [~divansant@192.145.132.53] has joined #openbsd 12:52 < polarian> then have the zeros as secondary APs around a bigger site, there is ethernet hats for them (dunno if it can do gigabit, but this is wifi so doesnt really matter) which can be used as the trunk to the router (or a switch connected to the router) 12:53 < dlg> all my rk3566 stuff runs annoyingly warm 12:53 < dlg> but i dont want it to go fast so i havent figured out the cpu scaling 12:53 < sibiria> according to radxa, they will survive running on highest clock freq. even without a heatsink 12:53 < sibiria> not sure what changed in 7.8, but my 3E no longer runs hot 12:54 < polarian> sibiria: damn 12:54 < sibiria> still crawls, just at cool tmeps 12:54 < sibiria> temps* 12:54 < polarian> but anyways thoughts on the idea above sibiria ? 12:54 < dlg> did u-boot change too? 12:54 < dlg> or just openbsd? 12:54 < sibiria> dlg: only openbsd. i'm running the same version u-boot 12:54 < sibiria> there were commits revolving around the rockchip PMICs or something. i didn't look into the details 12:55 < sibiria> polarian: i think it's an alright solution 12:55 < dlg> i think rk3566 is better supported than rpi in openbsd 12:56 < polarian> sibiria: would be fun to tinker with though 12:56 < polarian> OpenBSD wifi is limiting though 12:56 < polarian> so it would be interesting to mess with 12:56 < polarian> issue is I have no knowledge of wifi, other than the basics 12:56 < polarian> maybe I should buy a book on it :p 12:56 < polarian> always good to educate yourself on interesting topics which you dont know, even if you dont end up using the knowledge :p 12:59 < dlg> polarian: i am very keen on a cheap and cheerful openbsd router 13:00 < dlg> reusing old hardware is great, except when you dont have old hardware 13:00 < polarian> dlg: welp anything can be a router, just the power efficiency wont be quite there 13:00 < polarian> especially if its older hardware 13:00 < dlg> then something like a radxa e25 or a nanopi r5s starts to look interesting 13:00 < polarian> it is more modular thoguh 13:00 < polarian> old desktops have the IO to add many MANY cards 13:01 < polarian> you can have a router with tons of ports, all connected to their own managed switches, with its own vlans 13:01 < polarian> its very scalable 13:01 < polarian> one of the OpenBSD developers who is here (forgot who) works for a company which deploys OpenBSD routers to their clients 13:02 < polarian> so these things do scale, and much better than locked down proprietary hardware 13:02 < polarian> and provided someone invested the time, you can strip down OpenBSD to embedded scale 13:02 < polarian> compile it for a specific embedded target which could easily be stored on the limited flash on some embedded devices which is rarely bigger than a few hundred mbs 13:03 < polarian> MBs* 13:03 < polarian> dlg: you are limited still, and you do need to bare in mind you need two ethernet ports at the minimum 13:04 -!- rc [~rc@user/rc] has quit [Quit: nyaa~] 13:04 < polarian> like I said I do ROAS offloading a lot of the burden onto a managed switch which I picked up cheap on ebay, and the trunk goes into the bse interface, and then I have a USB nic for WAN 13:05 < polarian> I would be interested to benchmark just how much traffic I can push 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openbsd. it has intel uhd 770 and works well. i also have an old rx580 which i used in the old system. is it worth using the rx580 or has it been surpassed by intel graphics such that it's not much benefit? this machine is usually headless, the question is somewhat academic 14:56 -!- sonya [~nightwolf@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57 < sibiria> i don't think even AMD's current IGPs can quite reach up there. not yet at least 14:57 < sibiria> intel's certainly cannot 14:57 -!- sonya [~nightwolf@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has joined #openbsd 14:58 -!- skydrome [~emordyks@user/skydrome] has quit [Quit: quit] 14:58 < ecbrown> this rx580 gets it done 14:58 < ssm_> ecbrown: if nothing else intel may be better just because it uses shared memory. that being said, the 8GB on the rx580 is probably still plenty for openbsd 14:58 < ecbrown> it can also drive 5 monitors, 14:58 -!- skydrome [~emordyks@user/skydrome] has joined #openbsd 14:59 < ecbrown> sibiria: ssm_: thx for feedback, this is useful 15:00 -!- JohnGalt [~JohnGalt@user/TechBroLifer] has joined #openbsd 15:01 < sotov1ch> i used a rx6600 which worked. On FreeBSD not so often cuz of drm driver (510/550 or so. 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