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00:57 < JohnGalt> cd
00:57 < JohnGalt> what is the OpenBSD way of doing something like lsof?
00:57 < jrmu> fstat?
00:57 < JohnGalt> that is it!
00:57 < JohnGalt> thanks
00:58 < jrmu> you're welcome
00:58 < JohnGalt> I definitely enjoy OpenBSD greatly. truly the excellent UNIX experience
00:59 < JohnGalt> my massive Emacs config gives me a broad toolbox, so running awesome doesn't really have any drawbacks
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01:08 < JohnGalt> ssh mattie@fortress
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01:12 < JohnGalt> ok, put irc in a different window, hopefully it makes me less stupid
01:13 < pardis> there have been no excellent unix experiences since 1980, only tolerable ones
01:14 < JohnGalt> Im not that old
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01:14 < pardis> me neither
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01:14 < JohnGalt> what would you consider excellent?
01:15 < pardis> an OS designed for the hardware it runs on instead of emulating 50-year-old I/O would be a good start
01:16 < JohnGalt> I think I know what you mean
01:16 < JohnGalt> you referring to tty?
01:16 < pardis> mainly, yes
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01:16 < JohnGalt> yeah, that is ugly
01:17 < pardis> also other warts, like the fact that most of ffs's features are designed to cope with the latency caused by your SSD rotating and moving its head up and down
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02:03 < ssm_> ah, a hitachi
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02:10 < MelMalik> lol
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02:14 < mischief> pardis: try plan 9, it's designed for only 30 year old hardware!
02:22 < ssm_> 9front's hardware support doesn't look too shoddy these days checking dash(1), even some wlan hardware is supported. I haven't actually tried it, though I will Soon(TM)
02:22 < echelon> 9front sounds like a terrorist organization
02:23 < thrig> or some sort of alien space plan
02:23 < mischief> it's a pun on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM
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02:24 < ssm_> echelon: plan9 the front fell off <-> 9front the plan fell off
02:24 < ssm_> and yes, 9front is a terrorist organization
02:25 < mischief> IIRC the wifi cards in iwn(4)/iwm(4) work in 9front, but nothing else. so, if you have an older thinkpad you're good to go
02:26 < ssm_> I got intel ax in my laptop, but getting an ac card's an easy fix if I want to commit. I'm going to try in vmm first anyways
02:26 < ssm_> no rio, but maybe there's some way to drawterm over the tap
02:28 < ssm_> plan9 without rio is definitely heresy, but at least I can mess with 8c
02:28 < mischief> there isn't really a way to access the system without drawterm from a foreign os
02:30 < ssm_> setup with vmm is actually documented in dash(1) so I'm following that
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03:05 < pardis> I ran it in qemu back in the day because it would hang in vmd, maybe I'll try again if that works now
03:06 < fro> 9front works well in qemu for me but haven't tried it in vmd
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04:46 < cgnarne> works in vmd. that's how i run my cpu/auth server
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06:16 < rnkn> can anyone tell me why this line in my daily.local wouldn't print its output to the email? https://git.sr.ht/~rnkn/bliptown/tree/master/item/etc/daily.local#L11
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06:28 < rnkn> I also tried it with next_part. the others print. this first one does not. 
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06:45 < mischief> ipv6 saga continues. went back to dhcpcd.. seems everything works there using IA_NA
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08:52 < JohnGalt> lost my connection. does disklabel nest in GPT partitions or does it replace GPT partition scheme?
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08:56 < IcePic> JohnGalt: I think disklabel does the same for MBR and GPT, which is to make one large obsd partition in MBR or GPT, then it subslices in that one
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08:56 < JohnGalt> thanks!
08:56 < IcePic> only difference is that for UEFI+GPT it makes a small FAT partition for the EFI boot
08:56 < IcePic> (assuming x86_64 here)
08:56 < JohnGalt> that makes sense, I just wanted to make sure
08:57 < IcePic> then again, GPT supports gazillions of partitions, so it would not be unreasonable to move to some scheme that makes obsd partitions into "real" GPT ones, but I don't think that is on the map yet
08:57 < IcePic> so it was a totally valid question
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11:05 < sonya> hello.. caould someone please confirm root:wheel ownership for /lost+found/ ? thanks
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11:05 < sonya> i.e. 0:0
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11:08 < sibiria> sonya: root:wheel, 700, and some special flags lit
11:08 < sonya> sibiria, thanks.. can you ls -lai to see the flags?
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11:13 < sibiria> the mode flag is "T", whatever that is, i cannot recall
11:14 < sonya> ok
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11:16 < sibiria> "drwx-----T" if you care for the full set
11:16 < sonya> sticky
11:16 < sibiria> lower-case t is sticky iirc
11:16 < sonya> for dirs t is T
11:16 < sonya> :)
11:17 < sonya> sibiria, thanks a lot
11:17 < sibiria> isn't /tmp sticky?
11:17 < sonya> true.. hmm
11:18 < sibiria> maybe t vs T is just an overlap of other bits. i'm sure someone like pardis knows the detail
11:20 < sonya> sibiria, can you check $ stat -x /tmp /lost+found ?
11:20 < sonya> i'm sure it's a sticky bit
11:21 < sonya>  1777 for /tmp and 1700 for /lost+found
11:21 < sibiria> 1700/drwx-----T
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11:21 < sonya> yep
11:21 < sibiria> so probably just overlap
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12:22 < zbcm> Can't seem to nat my vm out to the internet. Seems it should be as simple as "pass out on $host_if from tap0:network to any nat-to (egress)" but no luck. I must be blocking traffic somewhere. 
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12:24 < sonya>  pass out on $ExtIF from ($IntIF:network) to any nat-to ($ExtIF)
12:24 < zelest> have you enabled the net.inet.ip.forwarding sysctl?
12:25 < sonya> and put nat-to rule at the end of /etc/pf.conf
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12:35 < zbcm> Yes for bothl thanks. I just reproduced it with a fresh config and removing "block drop all" from the top of my config fixes it. I thought placing this pass rule after it would allow the traffic regardless but I guess I'm missing something.
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12:36 < sibiria> last matching rule wins. if you phrase your rules like this, the block needs to be first so that consecutive rules may override it
12:37 < zbcm> Yeah I needed a "pass in" rule. Fixed. Thanks!
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12:49 < zbcm> I don't fully understand what I've done here. I will read and come back
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13:53 < op2> stupid question probably, but i'm feeling dumb and blind; where are SHA1End and SHA1Data actually defined?  If I grep src.git i see only the headers and some usages, not the definition(s)
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14:13 < thfr> op2: I don't really know this stuff, but have you tried following what the __attribute__(...) stuff in include/sha1.h does? I feel like that must be what's behind it.
14:13 < CosmicDJ> op2: https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/lib/libc/hash/helper.c#L39 
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14:19 < op2> CosmicDJ: thanks!
14:20 < op2> thfr: those are, if i've understood correctly, for helping the compiler doing some compile-time bounds checking
14:21 < op2> (i hoped to find at worst some trickery to rename the functions, the sed(1) usage in libc/hash/Makefile.inc was not something i would have expected ahah)
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14:23 < CosmicDJ> op2: good catch, that was the last piece of the puzzle I was looking for ;)
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16:11 < rkta> Is it possible to combine -t and -f with stat(1)? I need the mtime in a human readable format, but stat will only give my seconds since epoch.
16:12 < klsrqm> man page doesn't indicate tehy are exclusive methinks
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16:14 < klsrqm> mind... i cannot see how -f gives you human readable
16:14 < klsrqm> -t will
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16:16 < thrig> stat -f %Sm -t %Y /etc/passwd
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16:18 < rkta> Oh, stupid me. I skipped that paragraph explaining S. Thanks, thrig!
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20:07 < xx> is the open in openbsd a verb or adjective?
20:08 < pardis> a verb, just like in FreeBSD and NetBSD
20:09 < cgnarne> both, whatever you want it to be
20:10  * sibiria insists on adjective
20:10 < xx> I mean, I can want it to be a noun, but what is it really?
20:14 < fro> who cares
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20:17 < pardis> I want it to be a vocative particle compounded with a common noun
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21:16 < bombuzal> lol
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22:12 < vortexx> I also occasionally have pf issues with my android devices (not using openbsd 802.11) 
22:13 < vortexx> connection issues or just really slow
22:13 < vortexx> but it isn't constant
22:13 < vortexx> I concur with uzuri on this
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22:14 < jonadab> Wait, android has packet filter now?
22:15 < jonadab> (I would have expected it to use IP Tables, if anything.  Not that most users would notice one way or the other.)
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22:24 < vortexx> jonadab: no some apps have problems connecting over wifi when pf filters, although I suspect my unbound-adblock is assisting on this
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22:25 < vortexx> off to bed, I'll check the log later
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