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03:50 < snubcube> I made a mistake in modifying the fstab and now the OS won't properly boot.  On boot there are some kernel messages like usual before a messages about clusters for the new disk I put in fstab
03:51 < snubcube> I would like to enter some kind of environment to modify the fstab to remove the drive I added, but I'm not sure how.
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03:53 < snubcube> Online I saw people saying to boot with bsd.rd, but I can't seem to mount anything from there. I can use `sysctl hw.disknames` and see the disks, but using disklabel doesn't work as none of the disks are listed in /dev
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03:54 < pardis> you can mount disks from bsd.rd, but you don't need to, just boot single-user
03:54 < pardis> https://man.openbsd.org/boot.8
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04:04 < snubcube> Thanks, I managed to deal with the disk!  Much appreciated.
04:05 < snubcube> May I ask, I notice that booted in single-user I am unable to edit files due to the fs being read-only.  Is there a way to edit files, or is that just not what this mode is for?
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04:22 < rnkn> snubcube: I think you just remount with write permissions
04:22 < rnkn> mount -uw 
04:22 < rnkn> but someone else may correct me 
04:23 < pardis> that's correct
04:24 < pardis> the idea being that you can still use single-user mode even if you don't want to mount *any* filesystems read-write (such as if you suspect severe corruption that fsck may not be able to deal with)
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04:34 < snubcube> I see, thanks!
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04:42 < cgnarne> if you really need to edit files in single user mode you can do mount -u -o rw
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04:44 < snubcube> yeah, that makes sense. honestly not sure why i didn't think to just remount
04:45 < snubcube> i'm more used to the more hacky linux way of doing things lol
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07:18 < quinq> Though Linux usually does the same, it's not specific to OpenBSD
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07:50 < quinq> My OpenBSD is suddenly broken
07:50 < quinq> ksh: can't create pipe - try again
07:50 < quinq> ld.so: printf: can't load library 'libc.so.102.0'
07:50 < quinq> dmesg says (when it actually can run): file: table is full
07:52 < quinq> There is a process with “a lot” of open files I think, but that shouldn't take the whole system down, should it?
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07:52 < quinq> fstat -p 60265|wc -l 6637
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07:54 < quinq> 2025-12-18T07:54:03.427Z zacatzontli unbound: [77420:2] error: can't create socket: Too many open files in system
07:54 < quinq> 2025-12-18T07:54:00.174Z zacatzontli /bsd: klog: dropped 593868 bytes, message buffer full
07:54 < quinq> 2025-12-18T07:54:00.174Z zacatzontli /bsd: file: table is full
07:54 < quinq> 2025-12-18T07:53:58.851Z zacatzontli last message repeated 5696 times
07:54 < quinq> wtf
07:55 < quinq> How do I increase the maximum number of open files on the system?
07:55 < IcePic> sysctl kern.something
07:55 < zelest> kern.maxfiles
07:56 < IcePic> defaults to some 7030 or so on amd64
07:56 < quinq> kern.maxfiles=7030
07:56 < quinq> Indeed
07:57 < quinq> Merci !
07:58 < quinq> Any practical drawback about cracking this up?
07:58 < quinq> n
07:58 < IcePic> on amd64, probably not
07:59 < IcePic> on m88k with 16M ram it might hurt. ;)
07:59 < zelest> apparently, I have kern.maxfiles=262140 on my apu2.. :D
07:59 < quinq> :D
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08:03 < IcePic> good first task for a super experienced C kernel dev to dive into. ;)
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08:05 < quinq> jeje
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08:07 < IcePic> quinq: but if apu2 survives 256k, your box should too
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08:08 < quinq> IcePic, guess what that OpenBSD is running on ;)
08:09 < quinq> I pushed it to 16k, seems fine so far anyway
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08:16 < echelon> pc engines apu2?
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09:18 < quinq> Yeah, echelon 
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10:01 < rnkn> anyone know why `start_part "my string"` in my daily.local doesn't print to the daily email?
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12:16 < CosmicDJ> rnkn: maybe you need to run next_part instead of start_part...
12:18 < rnkn> CosmicDJ: thanks but it turns out start_part and next_part are for only printing when something echoes within their part
12:18 < rnkn> to avoid empty parts going in the email
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12:44 < Minall> Hello OpenBSD Community1
12:44 < Minall> May be a dumb question, but I understand that FVWM is more audited than FVWM3?, since it is from the base installation, correct?
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12:51 < sibiria> i don't think any auditing ever happened. xenocara just stuck with fvwm2 because it works and nobody has time to look into fvwm3
12:58 < IcePic> the fvwm in base will have gotten the sprintf->snprintf() treatment, being compiled with the linters on (as it were before) and so on
12:59 < IcePic> a lot of the code inspecting tools being used on obsd are run against all of base of course
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13:20 < Minall> Thank you :D
13:21 < sibiria> you can find fvwm3 in ports, if that matters
13:21 < sibiria> (i think it's still there and maintained)
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13:27 < Minall> yes, I'm using it rn, I'm heading deep into it now I remembered that the base is using fvwm2. I may look into that later
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16:38 < lts> "any app on the [D-]bus can read all secrets in the store if the store is unlocked. No, this is not a fucking joke. Once you input that password, any app can just read all of them without you noticing." https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2025-dbusSucks
16:38 < lts> Oh joy
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16:45 < riceandbeans> For anyone that's used both, how does relayd compare to nginx when just using it as a reverse proxy?
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16:48 < lts> riceandbeans: both have worked fine for me. Relayd doesn't support ECC certs.
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16:59 < riceandbeans> Ouch.
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18:17 < ximon> is it difficult to put on openbsd sway and networkmanager?
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18:26 < CosmicDJ> ximon: I've seen ppl use Sway on OpenBSD, but why do you want networkmanager?
18:27 < ximon> https://pastebin.com/JLMqbnWg cause openvpn does not work (I deleted all important stuff like name of vpn and IP)
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18:28 < ximon> thats on a linux maching but on openbsd same happens
18:29 < quinq> ximon, most likely you didn't instantiate that device
18:29 < quinq> (the tun(4) device)
18:29 < ximon> with networkmanager it works
18:30 < CosmicDJ> ximon: did you read the instructions that came with the openvpn pkg? https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/net/openvpn/pkg/README
18:30 < ximon> nop
18:30 < quinq> It also works without networkmanager
18:30 < ximon> and howß
18:31 < quinq> As well as openvpn can manage
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18:32 < CosmicDJ> ximon: this sounds like smth you could google...
18:32 < ximon> tell mme wat to do pls
18:32 < ximon> CosmicDJ i tried
18:33 < quinq> ximon, CosmicDJ shared with you that package documentation, where you have a couple alternative examples about how to deal with OpenVPN needing a tun device
18:33 < CosmicDJ> I'm using wireguard so I could only give you google search hits you already found...
18:34 < ximon> wireguard works with openvpnßß
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18:38 < CosmicDJ> ximon: wireguard instead of openvpn
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18:39 < ximon> tunnelblick work with wireguardßß
18:40 < CosmicDJ> ximon: I don't think so, but check the documentation for tunnelblick
18:40 < ximon> I only have choice tunnelblick and openvpn
18:43 < CosmicDJ> ximon: seems like Tunnelblick is just a GUI for configuring OpenVPN on macOS...
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18:45 < sibiria> it's a self-contained application for openvpn
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18:46 < sibiria> ximon: you can get the official wireguard app from the appstore
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19:10 < ximon> CosmicDJ do you know how to fix the error of it?
19:10 < ximon> ./dev/net/tun
19:11 < oldlaptop> that advice to read the package README seems pretty smart to me
19:12 < ximon> oldlaptop im not a dev
19:12 < ximon> wont understand
19:12 < oldlaptop> Fortunately, being a developer is not required to read the end-user documentation.
19:13 < ximon> I tried to read but docs do apply mostly for devop
19:14 < oldlaptop> You *will* need to edit configuration files from time to time if you want to configure OpenBSD to do something.
19:14 < ximon> i want it to be able to read books
19:14 < oldlaptop> If you have specific questions we can try to help you with them.
19:15 < ximon> and for that i only need vpn in my university
19:18 < oldlaptop> There is no fancy GUI for configuring network stuff on OpenBSD. NetworkManager does not run on OpenBSD. You're going to need to learn how to manage OpenBSD's network configuration yourself. If you want to use OpenVPN, you're going to need to learn how to manage its configuration files and so on yourself too.
19:20 < Bradipo> Fortunately, configuring the network on OpenBSD isn't difficult and has no need of NetworkManager.
19:20 < Bradipo> ximon: What VPN technology does your university provide?
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19:21 < ximon> an openvpn file
19:21 < thrig> you could write a fancy network thingymabobber for openbsd, if you want
19:22  * oldlaptop has a corny thing laying around somewhere to write hostname.wg? files
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19:23 < thrig> yeah I had some very small scripts when wandering around coffee shops (these were faster and more accurate than whatever Mac OS X tried to guess as the best AP)
19:24 < mlw> Hello
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19:24 < mlw> Anyone have an idea why from one day to the next the y on my laptop becomes a q?
19:25 < mlw> But with a regular external keyboard y is y as it should be?
19:25 < mlw> Is this an indication of a hardware issue or a bug somewhere?
19:26 < RobbieAB> German keyboard map
19:26 < RobbieAB> Would be my first, last, and only guess.
19:27 < oldlaptop> I thought those went qwertzu
19:27 < RobbieAB> Yes, instead of qwertyu
19:27 < sibiria> qwertz* vs qwerty
19:27 < mlw> I haven't changed my keyboard layout
19:27 < sibiria> mysterious layout
19:27 < RobbieAB> "Ponz the Pony" was a joke name I used in DnD specifically in reference to this.
19:27 < oldlaptop> (this sounds like ywertqu - which maybe is East Elbonian or something?)
19:28 < mlw> This is on 7.7 amd64 on a T495s laptop
19:28 < sibiria> another competitor is french azerty
19:28 < mlw> The funny thing is that q is q, but y is also q
19:28 < RobbieAB> Oh, my bad, q, not z. I need to work on my reading comprehension.
19:28 < mlw> So I cannot type y at all.
19:28 < oldlaptop> That sounds more like there really is something wrong in the keyboard matrix
19:28 < RobbieAB> Laptop keyboard?
19:28 < mlw> Yes
19:28 < RobbieAB> function lock?
19:28 < mlw> It is a laptop keyboard
19:29 < mlw> No function lock set.
19:29 < mlw> Right now I am typing with an external keyboard plugged in so that I can type correctly.
19:29 < mlw> But with the laptop, it is not possible.
19:29 < oldlaptop> I'd try some random other OS (livecd, whatever) to be sure, but I'd kind of suspect hardware.
19:29 < ximon> so you probably cant help me?
19:29 < ximon> :/
19:30 < mlw> Ok.
19:31 < Bradipo> ximon: Well, it's really a matter of adapting the openvpn config that they have given you.
19:31 < mlw> Keyboard matrix issue. I should investigate that a bit as well it seems.
19:31 < Bradipo> Install OpenVPN from ports.
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19:31 < sibiria> my work laptop is a T495. i don't run openbsd on it, but i have tested openbsd on it, and in my case the keyboard behaved as expected
19:31 < oldlaptop> mlw: read "electrical issue" - the specific circuit that's used in a keyboard is called a "matrix"
19:32 < ximon> Bradipo do you mean blabla.ovpn -> blabla.conf
19:32  * oldlaptop is not an electrical engineer, but that sounds like something that might happen if there's a connection somewhere that isn't supposed to be there
19:32 < mlw> oldlaptop: Thank you. The backlight did go out a number of months ago.
19:32 < mlw> I suspect that there might be some keyboard issue taking place.
19:32 < oldlaptop> ximon: We would need to see what is in this "blabla.ovpn" file to answer that question. The name/extension won't matter.
19:32 < oldlaptop> mlw: That is suspicious, yeah.
19:32 < Bradipo> ximon: Maybe.  I don't use OpenVPN, so I'm not sure what is required, but I imagine there is documentation for it.
19:33 < mlw> Thank you for your help.
19:33 < oldlaptop> There hasn't been a beverage-related incident, by any chance? :P
19:33 < armani> mlw: my corsair keyboard did that just before dying
19:33 < Bradipo> Probably something in /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes
19:34 < mlw> No, beverage issue.
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19:34 < mlw> Perhaps just old age...although I have older Thinkpads that seem to be build far better than this T495s
19:34 < armani> the , placement is suspicious ;D
19:34 < sibiria> they get crappier by the year
19:35 < ximon> https://pastebin.com/zpaer3VZ
19:35 < ximon> that is in that file
19:35 < oldlaptop> Yeah, isn't T495 like five minutes ago or something? :P
19:35 < sibiria> cheap overpriced chinese rubbish, in my personal opinion
19:35 < sibiria> corner-cutting everywhere
19:35 < sibiria> shoddy
19:35 < mlw> built*
19:35 < armani> did anyone tryied those HP elite ARM ?
19:36 < oldlaptop> unfortunately they're just about the last ones shipping a trackpoint
19:36 < oldlaptop> (although newer trackpoints I've had the misfortune to try are very sad)
19:36 < ximon> Bradipo did you inspect the link
19:36 < ximon> :D
19:37 < oldlaptop> hopefully system76 actually ship their thing with a trackpoint before all the sandy-bridge thinkpads die
19:38 < oldlaptop> (the frame.work goofballs don't seem likely to ever bother)
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19:41 < ximon> Bradipo btw before you start work on a solution I am not sure if it is worth the hassle
19:41 < ximon> :D
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19:47 < Bradipo> ximon: Rest assured, I'm not working on "a solution".
19:47 < ximon> Bradipo would you be able to do it though
19:47 < ximon> lol
19:49 < ximon> openbsd is much more complex than any linux
19:50 < ximon> lool
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19:54 < oldlaptop> A '63 Beetle is much more complex than any V10 Audi. Lool.
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