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00:15 < mischief> wee, power outage.
00:15 < mischief> anyone have a ups they like that works with openbsd?
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00:21 < ssm_> a ups would need openbsd support? I'd think power in would always be bios level, except for querying firmware for battery/statistics
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00:26 < thrig> ups support can be complicated by how bad the USB implementation on the UPS is, etc
00:27 < thrig> or the software was 32-bit only for a 10-year old version of Fedora
00:30 < mischief> alright can anyone recommend a good ups, regardless of openbsd support
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00:41  * oldlaptop gets the impression that the "good" prong is a massive problem in the UPS/SPS market
00:42 < carneous> for home use, APC Smart UPS range are ok, and I have one that works with the apcaccess utility via USB on another BSD
00:42 < xse> i guess good depends on what you plug on it yeah, i'd look at the package description for nut-snmp / nut-xml for the various "supported" brands, and search misc@ and so on see which models come up in the various dmesgs pasted and/or if specific models have issues and so on
00:43 < xse> i should get one of thoses too usually the laptop battery is enough but i recently bought an huge external usb hdd which needs its own power
00:43 < oldlaptop> there's always the "you do know e-waste laptops have built-in UPSes?" trick - given the baseline of how long a normal desktop will run on a little sealed lead-acid brick, the usual compound problem of openbsd-grade battery life from lifetime-expired batteries is less serious
00:57 < mischief> sure, but i'd like to power my existing machines which do more than a laptop can do :)
00:58 < mischief> this is a rather unusual event though, first power outage since i've lived here and it's lasted 4 hours so far
00:59 < mischief> i'm on my laptop with tethering to my phone
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01:30 < rtj> mischief: anything that does apcupsd or apcd
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02:50 < DragonMaus> mischief: in my experience, APC < CyberPower < Vertiv
02:50 < DragonMaus> though I've not exactly done a lot of stress-testing
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02:51 < DragonMaus> Currently have all of my devices (including network stack) on a mixture of CyberPower and Vertiv batteries
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09:19 < dansimon> I'm getting a weird KARL error on a custom kernel: make: don't know how to make reconfig. Anyone else seen this?
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09:26 < dansimon> /var/db/kernel.SHA256 is correct, but still not relinking
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09:43 < dansimon> œKARL is supported on custom kernels, right..?
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10:03 < ivdsangen> dansimon: i have used custom kernels and had no problems with KARL
10:04 < dansimon> ivdsangen: Ah, ok, so there's something wonky going on with my setup, hm...
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10:06 < ivdsangen> are you using the instructions from release(8), specifically step 2?
10:08 < dansimon>  ivdsangen: Ah, I did not! I only did make && make install. Thanks :)
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10:31 < op2> sibiria: thanks for the ping!  i was waiting for the ports unlock end ended up forgetting ^^"
10:31 < op2> i'm about to rebuilt, test it bit and will commit, thanks =)
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14:08 < quinq> Anybody here running Alpine in a vmm(4)?
14:08 < quinq> I just updated it, and now it's unable to get dhcp
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14:28 < cgnarne> yeah, but mine has a static ip
14:30 < quinq> Actually, cgnarne, there might be another issue, I can't get a login prompt anyway
14:30 < quinq> Have you done anything special on yours?
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14:32 < cgnarne> you need to fiddle with the kernel command line to get serial console. 
14:32 < cgnarne> maybe your update overwrote that?
14:33 < quinq> oh!
14:33 < quinq> Very good point, thanks
14:36 < quinq> (console is ok, but yeah, I suppose not getty gets spawned on serial)
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14:49 < quinq> btw cgnarne are you not running this vmm_clock module?
14:50 < cgnarne> i do
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14:51 < quinq> Doesn't seem to build on 6.18
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14:54 < cgnarne> there's an apk for that
14:57 < cgnarne> vmm_clock-virt/lts
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14:58 < quinq> Ohhh, there wasn't when I created that VM
14:58 < quinq> Thanks again :)
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15:09 < quinq> I can see DHCP requests on tap0
15:09 < quinq> But no offer
15:09 < quinq> Any idea why?
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15:12 < quinq> My /etc/vm.conf is just: vm "Alpine" { memory 2G; enable; disk /var/VM/Alpine.qcow2; local interface; }
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15:17 < quinq> wut
15:17 < quinq> Looks like it's this udhcpc that's just sending garbage
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15:28 < quinq> vmctl: start vm command failed: Operation already in progress
15:28 < quinq> vmctl status
15:28 < quinq>    ID   PID VCPUS  MAXMEM  CURMEM     TTY        OWNER    STATE NAME
15:28 < quinq>     1     -     1    2.0G       -       -         root  stopped Alpine
15:28 < quinq> How is a start in progress when it's stopped
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16:36 < byteskeptical> quinq: usually means the boot process is failing
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16:38 < byteskeptical> quinq: you can try vmctl start -c to auto connect the console as early as possible to possibly get some useful output
16:40 < quinq> Sorry, I rebooted the server, forgot what was my last message about this :D
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16:52 < byteskeptical> no worries
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16:58 < quinq> Hummm
16:58 < quinq> For some reason vmd configures 100.64.1.2 to the tap interface, instead of the default 100.64.0.2
16:59 < quinq> Though there's no other interface with 100.64.0.2
16:59 < quinq> WHY
17:00 < quinq> Anyway, it doesn't explain why vmm doesn't answer the vm dhcp requests...
17:01 < quinq> And way that changed suddenly
17:02 < quinq> inet 100.64.1.2 netmask 0xfffffffe
17:02 < quinq> How is that “The default is 100.64.0.0/10.”
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17:06 < uzuri> quinq: before id make a deep dive into it, i would spin up a second vm and set it up all fresh again to confirm if the issue persists
17:07 < cgnarne> quinq: iirc that's just the Default Pool from which ips are taken
17:11 < quinq> Same, uzuri
17:11 < quinq> Yes cgnarne, default, why would it be any different
17:11 < quinq> Even when setting static ip, I can see ping requests on tap0, but nothing gets answered
17:14 < pardis> 100.64.1.2 is in 100.64.0.0/10
17:14 < pardis> I'm not sure what allocation strategy vmd uses within that prefix
17:15 < quinq> Yeah
17:15 < quinq> tbh that shouldn't be important
17:16 < quinq> But that's suspect
17:16 < quinq> Problem is that vmm doesn't respond to DHCP requests
17:16 < sibiria> it takes the first available. i prefer hard-configuring each VM to tap0, tap1, tap2 etc.
17:16 < sibiria> so they line up at 100.64.1.2/3, .2.2/3, etc.
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17:17 < quinq> Noted, how do you do that?
17:17 < quinq> You also hard-code the IP prefix in vmm.conf?
17:17 < sibiria> "local interface tap0"
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17:17 < quinq> It's spawing a tap0, no issue
17:18 < quinq> But a tap0 with 100.64.0.2/3
17:18 < sibiria> right, i only do it this way to make sure they land in a predictable place in the cgnat space
17:18 < quinq> ok
17:19 < quinq> Anyway, then again I don't care too much for actual network right now
17:19 < quinq> The problem is that vmm doesn't seem to spawn a dhcp server to answer requests anymore
17:21 < quinq> Is there supposed to be an actual dhcpd process?
17:22 < quinq> I suppose not
17:22 < sibiria> no
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17:22 < sibiria> it's entirely internal. lives in one of the vmm/vmd processes, not sure which
17:22 < sibiria> priv/control/vmm or so
17:22 < quinq> right
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17:24 < sibiria> what if you stop and restart vmd itself?
17:25 < quinq> same
17:25 < quinq> It does re-create a tap0, with inet 100.64.1.2 netmask 0xfffffffe
17:26 < sibiria> when you stopped vmd, did all of its processes die off? i'm thinking if something's hard-stuck and refusing to work at all
17:27 < quinq> oh good point, checking
17:27 < quinq> yeah, all is down, pgrep -fl vm doesn't return anything
17:28 < quinq> Neither with cu
17:28 < quinq> (just in case)
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17:31 < quinq> There's no vm state files, is there?
17:31 < sibiria> nothing i'm aware of at least
17:32 < quinq> ok
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17:33 < quinq> Tried something else: vmd: /etc/vm.conf:1: invalid local prefix: too large
17:33 < quinq> /24 is too large?
17:33 < quinq> Compared to /10
17:37 < sibiria> i think the default is a /31?
17:37 < quinq> ok, apparently now vmd always starts at 1, not 0
17:37 < quinq> sibiria, default is /10
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17:37 < quinq> Apparently /12 works too
17:37 < sibiria> the cgnat is /10 but you do get a 255.255.255.254 netmask after all
17:38 < sibiria> 100.64.1.2/31 etc.
17:38 < quinq> After that, yes
17:39 < quinq> Tried to deactivate pf just in case, same thing
17:39 < sibiria> but yeah it's a bit odd it complains that you want to contain it to a /24
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17:53 < quinq> ok.
17:53 < quinq> The heck
17:53 < quinq> Sorry for the noise, that's a freaking Linux issue
17:53 < quinq> Of course
17:53 < quinq> Works with 6.12, not with 6.18
17:53 < quinq> cgnarne, don't upgrade / reboot
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18:11 < quinq> How do I install a package (linux-virt) from 3.22?
18:11 < quinq> I added to /etc/apk/repositories: @3.22 http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.22/main
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18:11 < quinq> Then I try: apk add linux-virt@3.22
18:11 < quinq> But nothing happens
18:12 < quinq> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Repositories says “For eg: apk add busybox@personal enables selection of busybox from a tagged repository @personal.”
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18:13 < quinq> frak, wrong window -_-
18:13 < quinq> sorry
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18:18 < cgnarne> quinq: just did, works for me
18:19 < cgnarne> but i'm not using local interfaces
18:21 < quinq> Maybe a bug on the architecture?
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19:10 < metala> Q: what does the 'r' in re0 stands for? RMII?
19:11 < thrig> realtek might be shortened to some prefix
19:13 < metala> ah, because of the driver. ok.
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19:14 < cgnarne> the ifname is just a string that may or may not relate to the vendor name
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19:17 < metala> I've just had issues with setting up the networking. It seems I've got old cofig I renamed hostname.{re0,bge0} and got it working. So now I was wondering if I copied from my other obsd machine.
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21:37 < oldlaptop> metala: specifically, network interfaces are named after the *driver*
21:38 < oldlaptop> (and the driver will have a manual page, for instance https://man.openbsd.org/re)
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