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07:53 < plasm0duck> I need help getting sound working on my Thinkpad X1 Carbon please.
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10:01 < avemestr> Plasmoduck: Have you read the FAQ on multimedia?
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11:33 < JohnGalt> I have gone full OpenBSD, installed on the machines I want to keep, getting rid of the last of the Mac stuff
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11:34 < JohnGalt> OpenBSD is far simpler to admin
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12:02 < tarel2> johnGalt ,  have you dabbled any Linux before this switch?  I know mac is unix like but open source versions of the are a different
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12:24 < supaman> has vi still no utf-8 support?
12:27 < ssm_> neither vi nor mg. ksh it's also pretty crusty honestly.
12:27 < ssm_> handling utf8 with octals is fine though
12:28 < ssm_> at least if you're not trying to read it hehe
12:28 < supaman> ok :-)
12:28 < supaman> thanks
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13:00 < supaman> aha, now I got full character support æææ ó ó á¹Ãº ú ðððð þþþþ :-)
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13:03 < supaman> tmux ÃÃ-u (or setting the NG locale) fixes it
13:03 < supaman> LANG locale
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13:08 < klsrqm> LC_ALL=utf-8 and installing some unicode fonts (unifont, noto sans emoji, etc) works quite well for me
13:08 < klsrqm> may have to adjust your fonts.local
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15:21 < fanbass> Hello
15:22 < fanbass> I want to setting Rutoken lite in OpenBSD
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15:25 < fanbass> I have installed: pcsc-lite, pcsc-tools, opensc, ccid
15:26 < fanbass> fan# dmesg | grep Rut
15:26 < fanbass> ugen0 at uhub4 port 3 "Aktiv Rutoken lite" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 4
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15:27 < fanbass> fan# rcctl start pcscd                                                         
15:27 < fanbass> pcscd (ok)
15:27 < fanbass> fan# opensc-explorer                                                           
15:27 < fanbass> OpenSC Explorer version 0.26.1
15:27 < fanbass> No smart card readers found.
15:28 < fanbass> kdump:
15:28 < fanbass> 53586 opensc-explorer CALL  setsockopt(8,6<tcp>,1,0x7c08a9aaa9f4,4)
15:28 < fanbass> 53586 opensc-explorer RET   setsockopt -1 errno 42 Protocol not available
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15:29 < fanbass> why, setsockopt Protocol not available?
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15:32 < IcePic> guess you have to check what 8,6 and 1 means for that call
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15:34 < fanbass> 53586 opensc-explorer CALL  kbind(0x7c08a9aab3d8,24,0xd8423f1d79211b53)
15:34 < fanbass> 53586 opensc-explorer RET   sendmsg -1 errno 32 Broken pipe
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15:34 < IcePic> 8 is the socket file descriptor, 6 is "level", 1 is "int optname", then a ptr, then optlen = 4
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15:37 < fanbass> IcePic: Can this be fixed somehow?
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16:32 < ssm_> my alpine vm is offline, what is the equivalent of `xxd -r -p infile`? I assume it involves hexdump(1), though I see no reverse flag
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16:33 < ssm_> editors/vim supplies an xxd for some reason. not sure if it's the same
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16:40 < JohnGalt> is the absolute bsd book still relevant?
16:41 < stuart> xxd -r -p infile works, assuming you made it with -p (or it's just hex characters, at least).
16:43 < stuart> Though, just out of curiosity, why not just try it?
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16:55 < linetrace> is the amd64/7.8-release CD ISO too large to burn to 700MB (80min) CD-R media?
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16:56 < linetrace> I've tried two different USB optical drives with my 700MB media and cdio fails with "Only 359847 of the required 396048 blocks available"
16:56 < linetrace> sadly, the hardware I'm attempting to install to doesn't support booting from USB :/
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16:58 < linetrace> using `cdio -f /dev/rcd1c tao install78.iso`
16:59 < stuart> Given that it's 774MB, I'd expect it may be a bit for a 700MB cd, yeah.
16:59 < stuart> What about cd78.iso?
17:00 < linetrace> doh, yeah, not sure why I wasn't using cd78.iso!
17:00 < linetrace> thanks stuart 
17:01 < linetrace> I guess, I haven't burned to CD-R in a few releases
17:01 < linetrace> Or maybe I actually had 800MB (90min) CD-R media last time?
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17:30 < IcePic> JohnGalt: I think the BSD books have quite a long shelf-life, even if cpus get faster and ram a bit bigger the main things about the OS stays the same
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17:41 < lts> I just today used a blog post from 1998 to investigate how dhcp innards work and it was still 100% accurate
17:41 < fro> ok
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17:43 < thrig> dhcp not being known for innovative "move fast and break things" advancements
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18:29 < ln43> Hi all. What do you commonly use for web browsing? It's enough a VM or better a totally different machine...
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18:30 < tux0r> netsurf.
18:30 < tux0r> a website that wont work in netsurf is a website i'm not interested in.
18:31 < ln43> ok but in case it's required a fully fledged browser, i.e. chromium (better than firefox)
18:31 < tux0r> reading the HTML in a pager is better than firefox
18:32 < tux0r> if you ever "require" a full-fledged browser (sounds like a bug, honestly), vivaldi is really lovely
18:32 < lts> Firefox
18:33 < oldlaptop> "Totally different machine" from what?
18:33 < ln43> for web browsing with chromium / firefox / brave etc...
18:34 < oldlaptop> I can picture reasonable requirements to isolate web browsing from /some/ other activity, but that's going to revolve around what that activity is.
18:35 < oldlaptop> For a lot of semi-normal-ish people the single most critical computer security priority is going to be banking/finance, which is realistically going to be conducted using... a web browser.
18:35 < ln43> let's say that i don't trust web browsers and i would like to have better isolation from the base system. The option was to use a VM with Tails /Whonix inside
18:37 < lts> A graphical VM with OpenBSD host?
18:37 < oldlaptop> What are you actually protecting from the web browser? What's the actual threat? (I don't necessarily care about your specific answers to those questions, but *you* need to ask and answer questions like that for yourself.)
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18:39 < oldlaptop> It's no good building a giant wall around the icky stinky web browser if the main security *target* you need to defend is the web browser anyway.
18:40 < lts> Different web browser profiles (with some web browser sandboxing) might be what you are after
18:42 < ln43> sondboxing cannot be enough. Righ now i'm not using (*BSD) but i would like in the future. In my case i disabled namespaces to avoid sandox/containers kernel level escapes
18:42 < phy1729> ln43: It sounds like you want Qubes
18:43 < ln43> and everybody know that the attack surface from browsers is huge. So my question was: how is it possible run in a secure way a web browser in OpenBSD?
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18:47 < ln43> phy1729: yes, i think so. Two separate machines is better
18:47 < lts> Go with qubes, nothing wrong with that
18:48 < lts> Just to be clear, OpenBSD doesn't support graphics with virtual machines it hosts
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18:50 < ln43> Thank you
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19:18 < cgnarne> you can use vnc, it works well enough to run a browser
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19:31 < linetrace> while you can use vnc "well enough to run a web browser" is a bit hand-wavey as many browsers require GPU acceleration to really be performant
19:31 < linetrace> also, vmm/vmd only support a single virtual CPU
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19:32 < linetrace> I do personally run an OpenBSD -current VM under vmd with x11vnc, but only for WM development/testing, not real workloads
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19:34 < cgnarne> use that that setup daily. vm with firefox inside. perfectly fine 
19:34 < linetrace> excellent!
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19:35 < pardis> performance would depend heavily on which websites you're using
19:35 < pardis> something like http://n-gate.com/about/ might hang the VM completely
19:36 < linetrace> I also occasionally sandbox browsers by executing them in a Xephyr virtual X display (and as a different user)
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19:37 < linetrace> still far from something I'd actually trust, so it's been more of an experiment of mine
19:37 < cgnarne> n-gate works fine
19:38 < pardis> that page used to lag and make my fan spin up on real hardware with OpenBSD
19:38 < pardis> so that's extremely surprising
19:38 < cgnarne> just tested it
19:38 < pardis> are you using a browser that supports modern CSS?
19:39 < cgnarne> firefox
19:39 < pardis> interesting, maybe they've improved things
19:39 < linetrace> runs fine on real hardware for me (also firefox)
19:39 < linetrace> (2.2GHz dual-core, so not particularly beefy)
19:40 < linetrace> so, yeah, either they've improved something or firefox has better optimized its rendering of that CSSS
19:41 < linetrace> s/CSSS/CSS/
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