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12:29 < Minall> I want to share a specific window from my VM to my host. And I can do this with Xephyr, now, there are also other options like Xvfb and xpra, the latter being the best for what I want (to have individual windows separated and even audio), but it doesn't seem to be available
12:29 < Minall> Is it to complex for me to install it?, I'm reading the ports, and I found some dependencies which aren't also on binary... So I'm checking my options
12:30 < Minall> Or is Xephyr enough performance wise?, is there really a big performance difference between xephyr and xpra? <- GPT mentions that there is, now I'm not sure if this is importante
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13:16 < humm> what’s “enough” is and remains for you to figure out; also, fuck GPT
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13:18 < zelest> I prefer GPT!
13:18 < zelest> MBR is old!
13:20 < humm> MBR simply works
13:20 < quinq> YOU're old!
13:21 < humm> simpler interface: firmware loads boot sector, and done
13:22 < humm> no messing around with portable executables or whatever
13:22  * humm hasn’t used GPT with boot sector booting yet
13:24 < zelest> quinq, that's true :'(
13:24 < quinq> But still sexy
13:25 < zelest> <3
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13:26 < zelest> humm, I doubt I take full advantage of it.. but I like the fact that boot.conf can use the 'idle' command and after the boot, I got higher resolution even before amdgpu has loaded. :)
13:26 < zelest> but yeah, MBR works just fine too
13:29 < ln43> hi all, i was considering to switch to OpenBSD. Before i should try to find a machine proper HW: processor, and GPU/iGPU etc. Do you kindly know if there is a list of suggested HW i can look for and where is it? If you have some reference list for laptops that are OK for OpenBSD would be great. Thank you
13:30 < zelest> In short, avoid Nvidia
13:30 < zelest> "The amdgpu driver supports SI and newer families' video cards."
13:31 < zelest> Not sure what that means though..
13:31 < zelest> https://man.ifconfig.se/pci.4 has a quite nice list of drivers though
13:33 < Minall> Right now I'm just going to the Xephyr simple route
13:33 < pardis> for a laptop, a ThinkPad is your best bet because many developers use and test on them
13:33 < ln43> Minall: xpra should be "better"
13:33 < Minall> Is anyone using: https://github.com/OpenBSDGuy/pulseaudio-module-sndio ... It is failing for me at the moment
13:34 < Minall> Module "module-sndio" version (0.0) doesn't match the expected version (17.0). <- Very specific so I may not get a response whatsoever
13:37 < ln43> Do you know if there is a suggested textbook for newcomers to start reading about OpenBSD (or *BSD in general)? Thank you
13:38 < Minall> ln43: Definitely https://www.openbsd.org/faq/
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15:09 < cgnarne> Minall: https://box.matto.nl/vnc-on-a-openbsd-virtual-machine.html
15:10 < Minall> Thanks cgnarne 
15:11 < Minall> Somewhat what I am running, works.
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15:12 < Minall> Now I'm on the part of trying to output pulseaudio to sndio too
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15:13 < Minall> So passing virtual works, now I'm trying audio. With sndiod is super easy as to use -L, Now, from the pulseaudio side though...
15:14 < Minall> I'm testing: https://github.com/OpenBSDGuy/pulseaudio-module-sndio specifically
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15:15 < Minall> Now, the problem is that pulseaudio is complaining about the version. Now this mustn't be so complicated so I'm learning a little bit of pulse audio
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19:54 < qbit> oh hi
19:54 < fro> yes hello
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21:01 < hyperreal> Hi all. I'm trying to setup snmpd. For some reason the snmpctl command isn't available on my system. Is there a package that it's included in?
21:03 < qbit> hyperreal: https://man.openbsd.org/snmp.1
21:04 < hyperreal> qbit: Ah, thanks. I was following the OpenBSD handbook which mentions to use the snmpctl command.
21:05 < lts> I'm guessing it's just not in your $PATH. It's at /usr/sbin/smtpctl
21:05 < lts> And yes /etc/mailer.conf still definitely wants to use it
21:08 < qbit> lts: wrong daemon :D
21:08 < qbit> sNMPd
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21:09 < lts> ....
21:09 < lts> Sorry :-D 
21:10 < qbit> i had to double check myself :D
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21:15 < pardis> hyperreal: the OpenBSD handbook is known to be wrong and/or outdated in many cases
21:15 < pardis> best to follow the official FAQ and man pages
21:15 < pardis> I should say openbsdhandbook.com, since there is no "OpenBSD handbook", just a website calling itself openbsdhandbook.com
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21:39 < librecat> yes its fanmade documentation
21:39 < librecat> not official
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22:17 < Minall> Hello OpenBSD Community!
22:17 < Minall> Does anyone by any change use a Thinkpad USB C docker?, I just got one by chance and, while it works on my Windows 10 machine (of coursE), in my OpenBSD the HDMI port is not working. It is detected by xrandr, but I'm unable to use it
22:18 < Minall> I'll soon test the Display ports also, though I will update the firmware first and all
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22:19 < librecat> Minall: did you run fw_update as root to install propriatary firmware?
22:19 < librecat> oh
22:19 < librecat> check if that adaptor is displaylink or displayport passthrough
22:20 < librecat> i dont know about displaylink status in openbsd but it might not exist
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22:38 < Minall> Oh, I didn't. on it
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22:43 < Minall> Yeah fw_update is ready
22:44 < Minall> I'll check the display link. HDMI is seen by xrandr but does'nt work
22:46 < mischief> does it work in linux?
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22:54 < Minall> mischief: Not sure. I haven't tested and don't have a Linux system
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23:06 < Minall> Okay, so the docker has 3 possible video outputs. 1 HDMI (which is seen in xrandr), and 2 Displayports, not seen
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23:06 < Minall> So my only possibility is for this is HDMI, but it is not working. On Windows works correctly
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23:23 < mischief> you could just boot an ISO..?
23:25 < Minall> Oh, let me test it.
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23:47 < librecat> Does openbsd come with perl
23:47 < librecat> Im 99% sure but wanted to ask anyway
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23:47 < librecat> lemme try searching for perl manpage
23:47 < mischief> yes
23:47 < librecat> The answer is yes https://man.openbsd.org/perl
23:48 < librecat> mischief: i wanna get some personal packages built on both linux and openbsd with minimum ports/packages installed so perl is the way to go then
23:49 < mischief> make?
23:49 < librecat> ok lemme do that to try something different
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23:49 < librecat> i made ports tree proof of concept in lua and perl so far
23:50 < librecat> lemme do bsd makefile now
23:50 < librecat> i care about portability only
23:50 < librecat> i wanna have personal dwm st and dmenu fork built automatically on any random os i try :)
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23:51 < Minall> Okay, restarted just in case, yet the HDMI is still not working for me...
23:51 < Minall> I found this blog which mentions that it should: https://www.coreystephan.com/openbsd-thinkpad/#dock
23:51 < Minall> As I have also the 40AY
23:51 < librecat> Try the latest snapshot
23:51 < Minall> Not sure what else I could check... Everything else works correctly
23:51 < mischief> does your computer actually have DP-AUX in the USB-C port?
23:52 < Minall> librecat: Let me check, I should be on current
23:52 < Minall> mischief: Oh, good question. I'm on Lenovo T14 gen2, not sure if it is fully supported
23:52 < supaman> Minall: are you sure xrandr is seeing the dock HDMI, isn
23:52 < supaman> t there an on-computer HDMI output?
23:53 < Minall> supaman: Yes, I'm sure. I can disconnect it and it will stop seeing it.  
23:53 < supaman> ok
23:53 < Minall> I can use a command like xrandr --output DP-2-1 --auto --above eDP-1  and works 
23:53 < Minall> Now the screen is blank (On windows it just works)
23:54 < librecat> mischief: so i should use bsd makefile for personal ports tree?
23:54 < librecat> i dont mean inheriting or extending any existing one
23:54 < librecat> i mean making it from scratch
23:55 < mischief> building things is what make is for..
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23:55 < librecat> true...
23:55 < tvtoon> Minall: since you got more than one port, you should check if it is loading the right one for xenocara
23:55 < librecat> also freebsd/openbsd/netbsd make is highly portable
23:55 < librecat> it will run on any random os i throw at it
23:56 < librecat> i should have learned bsd makefiles long time ago
23:56 < librecat> now is the time :)
23:56 < tvtoon> there is a netbsd make port if that is what you need
23:56 < librecat> yes
23:56 < librecat> i will use netbsd make port to make a personal simple ports system for my personal packages
23:57 < librecat> so that i can use the same personalized desktop on linux and bsd at the same time
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23:59 < Minall> I only have two C ports though, one of them do not recognize the HDMI and the other does
23:59 < Minall> And the other that does well, is seen, I can xrandr to it, but it is blank
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