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06:44 < euphores> Hi, qutebrowser does not play sound (OpenBSD-current). Is this known problem? I tried debug option, but didn't see any audio related messages.
06:50 < librecat> euphores: run sndioctl 
06:50 < librecat> as regular user
06:50 < librecat> while audio is playing
06:51 < librecat> euphores: does it fail or you dont hear anything?
06:51 < librecat> probable cause for 1: qtwebengine incompatibility with ffmpeg update, probable cause for 2: something sndio related that i cant guess better
06:52 < euphores> sndioctl shows clients, but there is no qutebrowser or QtWebEngine
06:53 < librecat> euphores: qtwebengine is bascially just an outdated version of chromium so i wouldnt be suprised if it is missing a patch normal chromium port has 
06:53 < librecat> the sad reality is that the best openbsd browser is chromium
06:53 < librecat> its got the most effort put behind it
06:54 < librecat> in my experience firefox port does not respect AUDIORECDEVICE 
06:54 < librecat> so i cant use a usb webcam's microphone and listen to music on speakers at the same time
06:54 < librecat> but i can on chromium
06:54 < librecat> i should have atleast tried to patch this in myself :U
06:54 < librecat> :(
06:55 < euphores> thank you
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07:41 < Plasmoduck> Sound works for me in Qutebrowser.
07:41 < Plasmoduck> Just make sure its no muted.
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07:48 < Plasmoduck> Running 'sndioctl' while Youtube is playing in Qutebrowser should show an 'app/python.level=*' entry.
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07:56 < euphores> seems like qutebrowser does not connect to sndiod
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08:32 < alip> hello everyone, i hope you're fine and healthy. i wrote signify(1) in rust: https://crates.io/crates/signify-rs curious to hear your feedback :)
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08:46 < mischief> there's minisign
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08:50 < librecat> hello everyone, i hope you are all fine and healthy. i imported kgdb into the hyperbolabsd kernel just to find out its a stub
08:51 < librecat> if you want debugger backtrace just put a dummy function before db_trap and set a breakpoint on it
08:54 < mischief> what's that got to do with the price of tea in china?
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08:55 < librecat> mischief: im bored from a single developer being responsible for everything so im trying to learn to fix kernel myself
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09:29 < fanbass> Hi guys
09:29 < fanbass> I have a problems
09:29 < fanbass> I want to tune Rutoken lite for OpenBSD 7.7
09:29 < fanbass> I have installed all necessary programs
09:29 < fanbass> but it does not work
09:29 < fanbass> I have installed NetBSD in VirtulBox and I have installed all necessary programs too
09:29 < fanbass> bingo, it is working
09:29 < fanbass> And I am very angry at the developers who made the packages, but all together they do not give the desired result :-)
09:29 < fanbass> and if developers don't prepare the packages correctly, then I'll boil the fugu fish, then eat it and I will be to using NetBSD
09:39 < fanbass> librecat: you are try, but not no
09:39 < fanbass> developers should be responsible for their creativity
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09:44 < librecat> fanbass: can you elaborate?
09:44 < librecat> i would like to identify a common antipattern and correct it in myself 
09:44 < librecat> so im intrested in hearing your opinion
09:45 < librecat> if you dont answer i can only assume that you mean "devlopers shouldnt get lazy and make something easy to code at the cost of being much less usable"
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09:45 < librecat> and i do agree with this ^
09:46 < librecat> i do find myself guilty of changing the design to suit the technical debt
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09:46 < librecat> btw fanbass i also dreamed of adding the netbsd hypervisor to openbsd so that i can use qemu or virtualbox
09:47 < librecat> today i tired to add kgdb but i couldnt add it properly so its just a function called during internal kernel exception handling to attach a breakpoint to
09:48 < librecat> before you ask: yes C does have exceptions
09:48 < librecat> its called setjmp longjmp
09:48 < librecat> i dont know them yet
09:51 < fanbass> librecat:  my opinion is simple: do it well or don't do it at all
09:51 < librecat> fanbass: based opinion
09:51 < librecat> i wish it was simple to follow
09:52 < librecat> im slowly learning though
09:52 < librecat> at first i had overambitious goals of making a lua based package manager
09:52 < librecat> i implemented many features poorly
09:52 < librecat> then i rebooted the project by clarifying and checking authorship, implementing 2 features properly
09:53 < librecat> right now it only fetches a file and runs a lua table with execv
09:53 < librecat> but its implemented properly
09:53 < fanbass> very reasonable, especially if thousands of people use your programs
09:53 < librecat> fanbass: oh right now i do not feel comfortable being a maintainer at all
09:53 < librecat> i want to work on projects with maintainers first
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09:54 < librecat> so that my impulsive ideas get filtered
09:54 < librecat> and my lazy implementations get reviewed and maintainer points out the places i cut corners
09:54 < librecat> fanbass: even if i was a good programmer i wouldnt want to be maintainer right now because i am too unstable on the inside to give any sense of stability to my users
09:55 < librecat> before this i would constantly overpromise and do nothing in foss project chat rooms
09:55 < fanbass> why it work in FreeBSD NetBSD and any distributives Linux and do not work in OpenBSD - this is very very sad
09:55 < librecat> but right now im focused on only hyperbola
09:56 < librecat> and the leaders are very clear about: lets focus on the roadmap
09:56 < librecat> so they delay all my cool impulsive ideas and make me remember to focus on roadmap
09:56 < librecat> the project leader pays for a developer off his own pocket 
09:57 < librecat> i think they are really good friends before that
09:57 < librecat> so it has a fulltime person working 
09:57 < librecat> which is massive for stability and starting a project
09:57 < librecat> fanbass: because volunteer only effort only goes so far
09:57 < librecat> in my opinion atleast 1 paid person needed to do boring stuff
09:58 < librecat> stuff like 1) finishing hard rewrites properly 2) keeping up with security 3) reviewing code of newer contributors
09:58 < librecat> this kind of stuff will not be sustainable by volunteers
09:58 < librecat> you must have a paid engineer to handle all this boring groundwork
09:59 < librecat> fanbass: ok i just understood your issue: you are upset at openbsd port maintainers for making packages that barely run right
10:00 < librecat> for example they have qemu in the repos but its emulator only
10:00 < librecat> no kvm
10:00 < librecat> i think this is a great mindset
10:00 < librecat> and a great argument to counter the opposite mindset
10:00 < librecat> i will take note
10:02 < fanbass> I'm wondering if there are any package developers here?: pcsc-lite, pcsc-tools, ccid,
10:04 < fanbass> if you guys are here, it's time to fix something
10:04 < librecat> i dont have hardware to work on those
10:04 < librecat> yubikey expensive
10:05 < librecat> and government tokens are very different and barely work on linux
10:05 < librecat> so i cant use a government token i found in the trash
10:06 < fanbass> Rutoken - the simplest and very cheap token
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10:10 < fanbass> I asked a question to the main developer of pcsc
10:10 < fanbass> but he is not responsible for integration into any operational system
10:10 < fanbass> https://github.com/LudovicRousseau/PCSC/issues/247
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11:06 < cgnarne> librecat: there are many good reasons to have qemu in ports, even if hw accl is not supported. this does not mean it's "barely running right"
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12:44  * oldlaptop remembers well when the whole point of qemu was to be a CPU emulator
12:45 < cgnarne> exactly
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15:31 < vortexx> oh look, someone moaned about a bit of usb hardware I'd never heard of not working in OpenBSD, without providing logs, what had been done to try and debug, etc. Typical #openbsd day :)
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15:35 < vortexx> I installed all the packages fanbass was complaining about, there's some dependencies in there like dbus, glib2 and gtk3 that have pkg-readmes
15:36 < pardis> I'm sure someone can arrange a refund
15:37 < vortexx> indeed
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16:07 < librecat> cgnarne: i need to be able to compile and virtualize openbsd on the same machine so i decided on freebsd
16:08 < librecat> my idea was 1) cross compile easier 2) modify a ffs2 filesystem easier 3) virtualize easier
16:09 < sibiria> some day in the future we may get full vCPU support in vmm/vmd to allow you doing all of that efficiently on openbsd
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16:11 < librecat> yes i would like it aswell
16:12 < librecat> right now though i could have isntalled openbsd on a spare small ssd, used framebuffer x server, emulated qemu
16:12 < librecat> that also would have worked
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18:38 < eea> \/10
18:38 < eea> oops
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19:42 < anthk_> uhm, I wonder if I a jj port will be too difficult to set for openbsd https://23.fi/jj/jj-2.tar.gz
19:42 < anthk_> ops
19:42 < anthk_> url https://23.fi/jj/
19:43 < oldlaptop> Not the kind of thing that should be hard to port.
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19:44 < buinb> yeah
19:45 < buinb> Though the git repo has disappeared
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19:48 < oldlaptop> Bad sign.
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20:31 < skydrome> ive used this in the past, https://github.com/aaronNGi/jj is this different?
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20:57 < anthk_> it's what ii it's for irc
20:58 < anthk_> there's sj but pretty much not suckless
20:58 < anthk_> jj it's a jabber client
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21:23 < gnucode> weird question...
21:24 < gnucode> in chromium, when I type in the search bar it does not take me to a search engine...can I specify the default search engine that the taskbar should use in chromium ?
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21:28 < buinb> Yes, somewhere in chromium configuration
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21:41 < vortexx> gnucode: chrome://settings/searchEngines
21:41 < gnucode> vortexx thanks
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22:34 < sibiria> anthk_: profanity is another option if you're looking for a terminal-based jabber client
22:35 < sibiria> it's a bit iffy in some ways, but it gets the job done
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