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03:39 -!- Topic for #openbsd: Unofficial OpenBSD support channel; try to stay on topic | https://www.openbsd.org | https://www.openbsd.org/faq | Read These Fine Manual Pages (we can help find the right one): https://man.openbsd.org/ | Can't speak? https://libera.chat/guides/registration | 3+ line pastes? termbin.com, paste.debian.net, et al | No politics, etc.
03:39 -!- Topic set by oldlaptop [] [Wed Oct 22 02:02:15 2025]
03:39 [Users #openbsd]
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03:39 [ _0xdd           ] [ gce108          ] [ pardis          ] 
03:39 [ _null           ] [ geezabiscuit    ] [ paulgrmn        ] 
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03:39 [ aaro            ] [ gipa            ] [ Pent            ] 
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03:39 [ ACG             ] [ gknux           ] [ phryk           ] 
03:39 [ acidsys         ] [ glu             ] [ phy1729         ] 
03:39 [ acro            ] [ gotohello       ] [ pikapika_lunar_a] 
03:39 [ afresh1         ] [ Gozno_          ] [ pirateoverboard ] 
03:39 [ aibo            ] [ grain77         ] [ Pixi            ] 
03:39 [ ajr             ] [ GreaseMonkey    ] [ pkubaj_         ] 
03:39 [ akarle          ] [ greeb_          ] [ Plasmoduck      ] 
03:39 [ akspecs         ] [ greenfork       ] [ plbn            ] 
03:39 [ Albright        ] [ grim            ] [ pmb             ] 
03:39 [ alexisg         ] [ grumpycrash     ] [ pmikkelsen      ] 
03:39 [ Alhazred        ] [ gshumway_       ] [ polarian        ] 
03:39 [ alip            ] [ gt              ] [ polishdub       ] 
03:39 [ alx-            ] [ gumnos          ] [ Poorchop        ] 
03:39 [ amatecha        ] [ gwn             ] [ Poster          ] 
03:39 [ AmyMalik        ] [ h3artbl33d      ] [ Posterdati      ] 
03:39 [ andinus         ] [ Hackerpcs       ] [ pr-asadi        ] 
03:39 [ andreas303      ] [ haddock         ] [ psw             ] 
03:39 [ animone         ] [ hakabuam        ] [ psychonate      ] 
03:39 [ antanst71       ] [ halden          ] [ psydroid        ] 
03:39 [ Antarez         ] [ halo14          ] [ puida           ] 
03:39 [ anthk_          ] [ hedy            ] [ pukkamustard    ] 
03:39 [ antranigv       ] [ henrik          ] [ pvac            ] 
03:39 [ aosync          ] [ henrix          ] [ PyR3X           ] 
03:39 [ apotheon        ] [ hexZoN3         ] [ pyro            ] 
03:39 [ aqsd            ] [ hirigaray       ] [ qbit            ] 
03:39 [ ArGGu^^         ] [ hisacro_        ] [ quark           ] 
03:39 [ ariadna         ] [ hjckr           ] [ r3s0            ] 
03:39 [ ariel_          ] [ Hobbyboy        ] [ raghavgururajan ] 
03:39 [ armani          ] [ Hoffm4n         ] [ rahl            ] 
03:39 [ armin           ] [ horsewhip       ] [ rain0r          ] 
03:39 [ artmdl          ] [ housemate       ] [ rak             ] 
03:39 [ artoj           ] [ hsw             ] [ rakka           ] 
03:39 [ astroanax       ] [ huggi           ] [ ramrunner       ] 
03:39 [ at_work_has_died] [ hugohagogo      ] [ raspbeguy       ] 
03:39 [ avemestr        ] [ humm            ] [ rawgreaze       ] 
03:39 [ b100w11         ] [ huy             ] [ RayS            ] 
03:39 [ B113            ] [ hygo            ] [ Rayyan          ] 
03:39 [ B3-bomber       ] [ hyperreal       ] [ rc              ] 
03:39 [ babz            ] [ IcePic          ] [ rcf             ] 
03:39 [ backspacesmiling] [ ichdasic1       ] [ rebo            ] 
03:39 [ Bahhumbug       ] [ ikarso          ] [ Red             ] 
03:39 [ baraq           ] [ Iketani         ] [ remiliascarlet  ] 
03:39 [ baz             ] [ ikichigai       ] [ renaud          ] 
03:39 [ bba             ] [ il              ] [ replooda        ] 
03:39 [ bba_            ] [ inky            ] [ rEv9            ] 
03:39 [ beca            ] [ insistent       ] [ riceandbeans    ] 
03:39 [ beech           ] [ inz             ] [ riksteri        ] 
03:39 [ begriffs        ] [ irl             ] [ rIMpossible     ] 
03:39 [ benji           ] [ Irvise          ] [ rjc             ] 
03:39 [ beo             ] [ isakBSD         ] [ rkta            ] 
03:39 [ bertiger        ] [ itok            ] [ rnelson         ] 
03:39 [ BillyZane       ] [ iurirs          ] [ rnkn            ] 
03:39 [ bitflip_        ] [ ivanbu          ] [ RobbieAB        ] 
03:39 [ bket            ] [ izder456        ] [ rodolphoeck     ] 
03:39 [ bleb            ] [ izzyb           ] [ romel           ] 
03:39 [ bluejaypop      ] [ j3s             ] [ root4           ] 
03:39 [ Bokamosho       ] [ jadi            ] [ RootCellar      ] 
03:39 [ bombuzal        ] [ jadi1           ] [ rootnode        ] 
03:39 [ bountyht        ] [ jakesyl_____    ] [ rptr            ] 
03:39 [ bradd           ] [ jakzale         ] [ rsadowski       ] 
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03:39 [ brushaway____   ] [ jason123onirc   ] [ runxiyu         ] 
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03:39 [ bsubio          ] [ jedelava        ] [ ryan            ] 
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03:39 [ burley          ] [ JerryXiao       ] [ Saint_Tuesday   ] 
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03:39 [ bwitte          ] [ jibsaramnim     ] [ Sario           ] 
03:39 [ bylzz           ] [ JimRM_          ] [ sbehrens        ] 
03:39 [ byteskeptical   ] [ jistr_          ] [ sbr             ] 
03:39 [ C-Keen          ] [ jitter          ] [ scain           ] 
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03:39 [ calciume        ] [ jkkm            ] [ sdk_            ] 
03:39 [ calciume0       ] [ jkossen         ] [ seninha         ] 
03:39 [ carneous        ] [ jleh            ] [ senzilla        ] 
03:39 [ casaca          ] [ jleightcap      ] [ serxoz          ] 
03:39 [ cation          ] [ jmcgnh          ] [ setient         ] 
03:39 [ cawfee          ] [ jmcunx          ] [ shann           ] 
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03:39 [ cenobite        ] [ johnLate        ] [ sherbert        ] 
03:39 [ cgnarne         ] [ jonadab         ] [ sibiria         ] 
03:39 [ chasmo77        ] [ jonf            ] [ SiFuh_          ] 
03:39 [ CheckMyBrain    ] [ jonf_           ] [ signaryk        ] 
03:39 [ Chewbakka85     ] [ joyphoy         ] [ sirphat0n_      ] 
03:39 [ chilledfrogs    ] [ jp11            ] [ Siva            ] 
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03:39 [ cli             ] [ julienxx        ] [ slim            ] 
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03:39 [ cnuke           ] [ jupiter_        ] [ sm2n            ] 
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03:39 [ CoBryceIRCMatrix] [ k2patel         ] [ solaare         ] 
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03:39 [ colin           ] [ karlthane       ] [ spuos           ] 
03:39 [ connstruct      ] [ Kel             ] [ Spydar007       ] 
03:39 [ conorh          ] [ keri_lee        ] [ srhm            ] 
03:39 [ constxd         ] [ kevin           ] [ sskras          ] 
03:39 [ CosmicDJ        ] [ khct            ] [ ssm_            ] 
03:39 [ cow321          ] [ khrbtxyz        ] [ Stealth         ] 
03:39 [ CowboyNeal      ] [ klea            ] [ stefanobsdcafe  ] 
03:39 [ cp-             ] [ klsrqm          ] [ stgl            ] 
03:39 [ cpk             ] [ km              ] [ sttau           ] 
03:39 [ cr4sh0v3rrid3   ] [ kn              ] [ Stx             ] 
03:39 [ crash_          ] [ knrd            ] [ sudden          ] 
03:39 [ crb             ] [ koo5_           ] [ supaman         ] 
03:39 [ crc             ] [ koolazer        ] [ SurfBlueCrab    ] 
03:39 [ CrimeWave       ] [ kpcyrd          ] [ surgot          ] 
03:39 [ cross           ] [ kremlin         ] [ surrounder      ] 
03:39 [ CryptLab        ] [ krjst           ] [ swaggboi        ] 
03:39 [ cs_0x6373       ] [ krl             ] [ sweatiest       ] 
03:39 [ D0peX           ] [ kroovy          ] [ sweetnsour      ] 
03:39 [ dab21           ] [ krzych          ] [ systemdsucks    ] 
03:39 [ daimrod         ] [ kss             ] [ szilard         ] 
03:39 [ dam64           ] [ kyberkiwi       ] [ szilard-        ] 
03:39 [ DarkTaffy       ] [ kylen           ] [ taleon          ] 
03:39 [ DasBrain        ] [ kylophone       ] [ technoid_       ] 
03:39 [ dastain         ] [ kypwny          ] [ terminaldweller ] 
03:39 [ davl_           ] [ l0rd_hex        ] [ tertullian      ] 
03:39 [ davlefou        ] [ labrnth         ] [ tf              ] 
03:39 [ dayid           ] [ lagkage         ] [ that_lurker     ] 
03:39 [ dbohdan         ] [ LambdaComplex   ] [ The_Blode       ] 
03:39 [ dbohdan[phone]  ] [ lamer           ] [ TheLion         ] 
03:39 [ DebianSidUser   ] [ lcubed          ] [ themimitoof     ] 
03:39 [ deepesttoaster  ] [ le2m            ] [ theruran        ] 
03:39 [ deglebe         ] [ leah            ] [ thesemic1lons   ] 
03:39 [ deimosBSD       ] [ leah2           ] [ thfr            ] 
03:39 [ dennis          ] [ Lefinnois       ] [ thowe           ] 
03:39 [ DetourNe-       ] [ lemontree       ] [ thrig           ] 
03:39 [ DetourNetworkUK ] [ LenPayne        ] [ thumbs          ] 
03:39 [ dev1ls          ] [ leo_            ] [ tib67           ] 
03:39 [ dev_zero        ] [ leonardus       ] [ tk              ] 
03:39 [ devleloper      ] [ Leone           ] [ Tobbi           ] 
03:39 [ devnull         ] [ leonixyz        ] [ tobiasu         ] 
03:39 [ dg              ] [ lescx           ] [ TommyC          ] 
03:39 [ dgoerger        ] [ letoram         ] [ tommyrot        ] 
03:39 [ diox            ] [ linetrace       ] [ toorop          ] 
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03:39 [ dlg             ] [ lolok           ] [ tozhu           ] 
03:39 [ dogg0           ] [ lorenzo27       ] [ travis          ] 
03:39 [ dogg0_          ] [ Ltning          ] [ treefrob        ] 
03:39 [ dooder          ] [ lts             ] [ trench          ] 
03:39 [ dostoyevsky2    ] [ Lucanis_        ] [ tribaal         ] 
03:39 [ down200         ] [ Lucas_          ] [ Tristam_        ] 
03:39 [ dozn            ] [ ludovicus       ] [ tronexte        ] 
03:39 [ dqk             ] [ lumidify        ] [ trucy           ] 
03:39 [ DragonMaus      ] [ lusciouslover   ] [ tuftedocelot    ] 
03:39 [ drathir_tor     ] [ luser1          ] [ tureba          ] 
03:39 [ DreamweaverN    ] [ lynge           ] [ tux0r           ] 
03:39 [ drkhsh          ] [ lysy            ] [ ty3r0x          ] 
03:39 [ drustan         ] [ m0v             ] [ tylerius        ] 
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03:39 [ duri            ] [ makr            ] [ unrznbl         ] 
03:39 [ dustinm`        ] [ mangledbits     ] [ unwired4        ] 
03:39 [ dv^_^           ] [ manis           ] [ unwrapped_monad ] 
03:39 [ dvb             ] [ mapet           ] [ user24037       ] 
03:39 [ dvl             ] [ marcdimarco     ] [ user_with_nouser] 
03:39 [ dza             ] [ markand         ] [ vaelen          ] 
03:39 [ dzwdz           ] [ markmcb         ] [ van             ] 
03:39 [ easeout         ] [ martian67       ] [ varighet        ] 
03:39 [ eax_            ] [ martin_         ] [ vdamewood       ] 
03:39 [ eburk           ] [ mbuhl           ] [ vhespanha       ] 
03:39 [ echelon         ] [ mccd            ] [ vhns            ] 
03:39 [ eea             ] [ memset          ] [ Vigdis          ] 
03:39 [ eigil           ] [ mental_pad      ] [ viq|w           ] 
03:39 [ eirian          ] [ MentalExcuse    ] [ visl            ] 
03:39 [ Ekho            ] [ mesaoptimizer   ] [ VoidKrypt       ] 
03:39 [ eki             ] [ metala          ] [ vol             ] 
03:39 [ el              ] [ metavoid        ] [ vortexx         ] 
03:39 [ elagost         ] [ mete-           ] [ Voyager_MP      ] 
03:39 [ elarks          ] [ mg-             ] [ vulpine         ] 
03:39 [ emacsomancer    ] [ miah            ] [ vxla            ] 
03:39 [ emigrant        ] [ micronn         ] [ waffles         ] 
03:39 [ emmanuelux      ] [ MiniontobyPI    ] [ Warr1024        ] 
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03:39 [ enwu            ] [ mkukri_         ] [ WhyNotHugo      ] 
03:39 [ Erhard          ] [ mlarkin         ] [ wickedshell     ] 
03:39 [ ericonr         ] [ modern_pleb_    ] [ winq            ] 
03:39 [ eriol           ] [ moetunes        ] [ witcher         ] 
03:39 [ eschaton        ] [ moko            ] [ wiu             ] 
03:39 [ EtherNet        ] [ monkeybusiness  ] [ wmoxam          ] 
03:39 [ euphores        ] [ MonsoonSecrecy  ] [ wnh             ] 
03:39 [ Evil_Bob        ] [ mordac          ] [ wolfdog         ] 
03:39 [ Evilham11       ] [ mornfall        ] [ WrezHole        ] 
03:39 [ Exa             ] [ moviuro         ] [ Xe              ] 
03:39 [ ExtraZero       ] [ mpark           ] [ xelxebar_       ] 
03:39 [ f451            ] [ MrPlop          ] [ Xenguy          ] 
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03:39 [ fedaykin        ] [ muirrum         ] [ xet7            ] 
03:39 [ Feigr           ] [ mvt             ] [ xgpt            ] 
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03:39 [ fro             ] [ oldlaptop       ] [ ZHuangZi        ] 
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03:39 [ fuckingPsych0   ] [ outofcreativity ] [ znedw4542       ] 
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11:16 < Minall> Hello OpenBSD Community!
11:17 < Minall> I'm trying to connect a USB microphone (AKG Lyra) to my system, did a `dmesg |`
11:17 < Minall> dmesg | grep uaudio, and I think it is not being seen even though I connect it.
11:18 < Minall> What would be the right way to be sure if it is being seen?, I don't see any change on dmesg with or without the grep
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11:30 < Minall> I am on OpenBSD 7.8, as I understand this, the support comes of course from uaudio for [USB audio devices] and usb. So I reckon it is not supported?
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11:33 < vortexx> Minall: whats does usbdevs return?
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11:35 < Minall> vortexx: Oh indeed, it is not being seen. Disconnected or connected outputs are the same
11:35 < Minall> So this device is not being seen definitely
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11:38 < Minall> Any way I could help its support?, it is a fairly simple microphone
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11:48 < dbd> Minall: try another usb port ? 
11:49 < vortexx> yes, please try other usb ports
11:50 < vortexx> does it work in other OSes / computers?
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11:51 < dbd> quick check at the spec show android / mac os support without driver, so I think it is generic uaudio 
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12:00 < Minall> dbd: Tried it yes
12:00 < Minall> vortexx: It works perfectly in other OSes / computers
12:00 < Minall> Let me check the spec
12:01 < Minall> The microphone does get lighted up and everything, I just don't see a way to use it, hang on
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12:03 < Minall> System requirements: Windows 8 or higher, Mac OS 10.7 or higher, Android 9 or higher, iOS 10 or higher. iOS support may require Apple Camera Connection Kit, Android support may require OTG adapter cable, available separately.
12:05 < Minall> This microphone works with a MacOS and windows systems without configuration
12:14 < dbd> usbdevs should show it, independently from kernel support 
12:14 < Minall> Oh wait, just noticed something interesting, `dmesg | tail`, while I though it was giving me nothing, I got some messages while connecting and disconnecting... uhub1: device problem, disabling port 5 (7, 4, 1), 
12:14 < Minall> Assume they were my other ports
12:14 < Minall> dbd: It is not showing it though
12:15 < Minall> I use this microphone heavily, and never had any issues with it nor falls so, it is in good condition. I can use it in other OS's without configuration
12:15 < dbd> the best would be to try to connect it to usb root hub
12:15 < Minall> So this should be a compatibility about?... This microphone has a lot of things on it so perhaps it has its own internal system that's giving these issues?
12:16 < dbd> Minall: I've seen this kind of problem with uaudio + usb hub 
12:17 < Minall> dbd: What do you mean connect it to usb root hub?. Isn't that the same as connecting it directly to the main board?, I at first tried to connect through another hub, but right now I am connecting directly into the laptop
12:17 < dbd> try everyport of the laptop to see if it makes a change
12:18 < Minall> In usb(4) it mentions that THe USB bus attaches to the controller and the root hub attaches to the USB bus. Devices, which may include further hubs, attach to the root hub
12:18 < Minall> So far I tried 2 USB ports which I know both work, and with a USB c converter (which I also know works in that with the convertor in another device) and no luck
12:18 < dbd> some usb ports can be directly on the usb root hub or behind another hub inside your laptop
12:19 < Minall> I have no more ports available to test on, I see the microphone getting energy as it is turned on, but no usable
12:19 < dbd> you check usbdevs everytine ?
12:19 < Minall> I checked it with 2 of those 3, let me re-run all tests just to be sure
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12:21 < Minall> Yes, `usbdevs` gives the same output every time
12:21 < Minall> With every port
12:22 < Minall> I don't know if it is important, but I have a 40AY Duck which works (HDMI doesn't), and I was connecting it first through it (which works in another device without drivers), now all the usbdevs tests were all directly on the USB ports
12:26 < dbd> nothing at all in dmesg ?
12:27 < Minall> Only the uhub1: device problem, disabling port 7 (or 1, 4, 5 which are also listed)
12:27 < Minall> I'm reading the uhub(4) man rn
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12:31 < Minall> Nothing on pcidump
12:33 < dbd> it is weird the thing is powered but not in dmesg nor usbdevs
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12:34 < Minall> uhub mentions that The controller ataches to a physical bus, and the USB bus attaches to the cointroller (and the root hub)
12:35 < Minall> So perhaps it is not enumerated or fails in any of these steps ? 
12:35 < Minall> Since it doesn't go to the uaudio driver
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12:41 < vortexx> that disabling message means the kernel is having trouble attaching the usb device to the hub. Better check misc@ mailing list to see if anyone else has the issue, but for now your mic may be unsupported. Also try in -current if you can?
12:41 < vortexx> bbl
12:44 < Minall> I'll check the mailing list... I would like to use -current, yet the man pages mentions that I should know compiling from source (I haven't been able to check this part, will in the future)
12:44 < Minall> So I'm not sure if I should do it
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12:49 < Minall> Though I see that always gets mentioned here is try to run current, I'll try to check that right now
12:50 < oldlaptop> "know compiling from source"? Strictly speaking one needs to build *OpenBSD* from source to "run -current", but normally what is actually meant by that is "run snapshots", which you do not need to build from source.
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12:51 < Minall> Oh yeah, I didn't understood that (I'm checking it again)
12:52 < Minall> I'll run a snapshot then, it is super easy I see
12:52 < oldlaptop> What "man pages [mention] that", exactly?
12:53 < Minall> I think I got the wrong idea from read it: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html mentions Aggressive changes are sometimes pushed in this branch, and complications can arise when building the latest code or upgrading from a previous point in time. Some of the steps for getting over these hurdles are explained on this page. Make sure you've read and understand how to build the system from source before using -current and the 
12:53 < Minall> instructions below.
12:53 < Minall> But then it goes to the secondary option of using snapshots which is what I need, so I read it wrogn
12:53 < oldlaptop> to avoid confusion, that document (while important!) is not a "man page"
12:54 < Minall> Oh, okay
12:55 < oldlaptop> "The instructions below" are *generally* for building your own -current releases from source - right at the moment, all but the top entry (the one saying there's been a postgresql update) are about building -current from source, and irrelevant for running snapshots
12:55 < Minall> Then it was me getting the wrong idea,
12:55 < Minall> Thanks :D, I'm running snapshots right now
12:55 < oldlaptop> (not coincidentally the first recommendation in all three is "use a snapshot instead")
12:57 < oldlaptop> There are implications to running snapshots/-current. (Think of "rolling release" linuxes, or more directly something like debian sid. Things break from time to time.)
12:59 < ssm_> also package&base desync
12:59 < Minall> Totally, I can handle it though, but I do use it heavily so, I may ask a lot of questions while I use it
13:00 < ssm_> no good solution to that other than "learn ports in depth" or "constantly reboot"
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13:01 < Minall> lol yeah
13:05 < martian67> Breaking changes are (usually) well documented
13:06 < martian67> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html
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13:23 < Minall> Alright, I'm -current-tly on current
13:23 < Minall> Still: uhub1: device problem, disabling port 7 (or 1 in another port)
13:24 < Minall> So it is for sure not supported
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13:27 < oldlaptop> One thing to try, specifically, is any USB 2.0 or 1.1 port that's available (especially if the machine has a pre-3.x root hub)
13:28 < Minall> oldlaptop: I reckon AKG uses USB 2.0 ... So in my ports, it does matter if they are 3.0, for example?
13:29 < oldlaptop> It's not *supposed* to.
13:29 < oldlaptop> but it might
13:30 < Minall> True.. They should be backwards compatible. The thing is that the laptop (Thinkpad T14 Gen 2) doesn't have USB 2's... let me check if the HUB I am using has one
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13:31 < Minall> Apparently it does, 2 x USB 2.0 Type-A ports
13:32 < Minall> Let me check it
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13:33 < Minall> No luck whatsoever, I do get a different message as I am changing the hub... uhub6: device problem, disabling port 2 (or 3), for those who are 2.0 type
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13:34 < Minall> Yep, all usb's show this. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1667544-REG/lenovo_40ay0090us_thinkpad_universal_usb_c_dock.html
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13:53 < Minall> So yeah sadly it is not the USB 2.0 compatibility
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14:11 < Minall> I mean, usbdevs mentions that lists all USB devices connected to the system with some information about each device.
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14:13 < Minall> So perhaps there was an error when getting the information of the device, and thus it doesn't appear in usbdevs?
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15:04 < jab> weird question...I've installed jdk-21 and jdk-25...now I can't figure out how to uninstall them?  "doas pkg_del jdk" doesn't work.  "# pkg_del jdk-21 jdk-25" also fails. 
15:05 < sibiria> possibly because it's "pkg_delete"
15:06 < sibiria> didn't the shell say "not found"?
15:06 < Minall> Yep, that 
15:07 < jab> and yes..."doas pkg_delete jdk" -> "problem finding jdk"
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15:07 < Minall> Specify the version, doas pkg_delete jdk-21
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15:07 < sibiria> because you have no package named just "jdk". the error message is right there: "problem finding jdk"
15:08 < Minall> Since those are the ones that you have installed, there is a jdk package apparently
15:08 < jab> "doas pkg_delete jdk-21" -> Problem finding jdk-21 
15:08 < sibiria> pkg_info | grep jdk    # do you even have it installed?
15:09 < jab> which java -> /usr/local/jdk-25/bin/java 
15:09 < jab> doas pkg_delete jdk-25  -> Problem finding jdk-25
15:09 < sibiria> did you install this package from the official repository?
15:09 < jab> sibiria: I might have tried to build it from a locally cloned ports...
15:10 < jab> pkg_info | grep jdk  -> jdk-21 and jdk-25 
15:10 < sibiria> ok. though that should behave all the same
15:11 < sibiria> did you set some special environment variable related to the ports/package system?
15:11 < sibiria> e.g. TRUSTED_PKG_PATH or similar
15:11 < jab> maybe...I don't think so though...
15:11 < sibiria> what if you don't abuse the permission system and just "su -l" to root as The Lorde intended, and pkg_delete jdk-21 from there?
15:11 < jab> I'll try it.
15:13 < jab> well, that's weird...it seems like su is not working?  su -l  ->  I put in my password
15:13 < sibiria> are you a wheelie?
15:13 < jab> and I do not see a prompt like  # 
15:14 < jab> it just says "Password:"  and I am waiting for it to show me the #
15:14 < jab> oh nevermind.
15:14 < jab> I guess OpenBSD's su doesn't show a #
15:14 < sibiria> the default prompt sigil of ksh, when superuser, will be #
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15:15 < AmyMalik> sigil
15:15 < AmyMalik> (:
15:16 < jab> yeah, I don't see "#"  ls works...  so I tried su -l, typed in my password, pkg_delete openjdk-25, problem finding openjdk-25
15:16 < jab> *shrugs shoulders*
15:16 < sibiria> i don't think the package is called "openjdk"
15:16 < sibiria> at least my metadata claims "jdk-XYZ"
15:17 < jab> sorry, I typed in "pkg_delete jdk-25"
15:17 < sibiria> so were you root or not?
15:18 < sibiria> if you didn't authenticate correctly, you'll return to your current user's prompt and su will say "Sorry"
15:18 < sibiria> "su -l", then enter your root password
15:18 < jab> I typed in "su -l".  I did not see #, but whoami said "root" 
15:18 < AmyMalik> weird
15:19 < jab> then "pkg_delete jdk-25" -> Problem finding jdk-25 
15:19 < replooda> You've installed it from the ports tree, no?
15:20 < jab> I may have installed it from the ports tree...  I did not do a "git clone openjdk && 'command to build java from source'"
15:20 < jab> it's not the end of the world, it's just that my pkg_add -u takes a little longer now.
15:21 < replooda> https://www.openbsd.org/faqs/ports/ports.html#PortsDelete
15:26 < jab> i'll take a look thanks
15:28 < sibiria> you don't need to uninstall it from the port's Makefile. it just calls pkg_delete
15:29 < jab> pwd -> /usr/ports/devel/jdk/21  
15:30 < jab> make install  -> (I had to enter in my root password) -> Problem finding jdk-21.0.8.9.v0 
15:30 < jab> sorry that was supposed to say "make uninstall"
15:31 < sibiria> the "uninstall" target for a port will simply call "pkg_delete", so the result isn't surprising
15:31 < sibiria> did you install this on a previous version of openbsd, before updating?
15:32 < sibiria> because something isn't entirely right in how the package isn't visible to the pkg system. or that your root user's prompt sigil is missing. but that could just be because you changed .profile or whatever
15:33 < sibiria> hard to pin the problem down since you cannot recall if you installed the package or built the port
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15:37 < replooda> The idea was the fullpkgname/subpackage might somehow be wrong.
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15:39 < replooda> As you say, the environment seems to be odd.
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15:48 < jab> sibiria: I may have build the jdk package from ports, then updated to the latest version of OpenBSD.
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15:49 < sibiria> i suppose the jdk isn't present in /var/db/pkg/ ?
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15:50 < jab> sibiria: nope, it's there
15:50 < jab> cd /var/db/pkg/; ls | grep jdk -> jdk-21 and jdk-25
15:51 < thrig> cd ... && ... not cd ... ; ...
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15:51 < sibiria> you could try to forcefully replace/reinstall the jdk
15:51 < jab> how would I do that?   
15:52 < sibiria> uff, if memory serves me, try "pkg_add -cr jdk-21" 
15:52 < sibiria> as root
15:52 < sibiria> if that passes, then try "pkg_delete jdk-21" again
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15:55 < pardis> pkg_check(8) may also help
15:55 < sibiria> yeah, good advice
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16:04 < jab> "doas pkg_add -cr jdk-21"  -> Problem find jdk-21"
16:05 < jab> su -l 
16:05 < Bradipo> Is there a jdk-21?
16:05 < jab> pkg_add -cr jdk-21 -> cannot install jdk-21
16:05 < Bradipo> "pkg_info -Q jdk" doesn't show me anything about jdk-21.
16:05 < jab> same problem with jdk-25 
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16:06 < Bradipo> Where do jdk-21 and jdk-25 package come from?
16:06 < jab> Bradipo: I think I installed from the ports tree.
16:06 < Bradipo> pkg_info | grep jdk
16:06 < jab> pkg_info | grep jdk -> shows both jdk-21 and jdk-25 
16:06 < Bradipo> Does it show jdk-21 or jdk-25?
16:07 < jab> it shows both.
16:07 < Bradipo> Interesting.
16:07 < jab> one line for jdk-21 and the next line for jdk-25 
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16:07 < byteskeptical> pkg_info -Q jdk
16:08 < byteskeptical> jab: jdk-21.0.9.10.1p0v0
16:09 < byteskeptical> unless your checking against stable, my output if for current
16:09 < byteskeptical> s/if/is
16:09 < Bradipo> Ahh, I'm on -stable I suppose.
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16:11 < Bradipo> jab: So when you grep jdk it shows jdk-21 ?
16:12 < Bradipo> That seems like an incomplete package name...
16:12 < Bradipo> Perhaps you should specify the complete package name.
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16:12 < Bradipo> pkg_delete jdk-21.x.y.z...
16:16 < jab> I'll try pkg_delete jdk-21.blah.blah.blahv1.  I think I tried that in the past, but let's see
16:17 < jab> that worked!
16:17 < jab> thanks!
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16:44 < chisa> hello everyone
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16:45 < replooda> Hello.
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16:47 < chisa> anyone here successful in making openbsd work with any Broadcom wireless cards?
16:48 < avemestr> chisa: Depends on which. There's been recent work done on the card used in recent AMD-based Thinkpads.
16:49 < avemestr> Sorry, I thought of Qualcomm: https://man.openbsd.org/qwx.4
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16:51 < avemestr> chisa: For Broadcom the situation is here: https://man.openbsd.org/bwfm.4
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16:52 < chisa> i see. i ask only out of curiosity, as these cards tend to be a hassle even for certain linux flavors. I have a Broadcom wi-fi card here without use
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16:53 < avemestr> chisa: I ought to work if you can do fw_update to install it.
16:53 < avemestr> *I=It
16:53 < thrig> broadcom cards can also be fixed by hitting them with a hammer, and then you need to use some other chipset
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16:56 < chisa> thrig: i feel just the same about them, ha. But it would be quite amusing to see it working on *BSDs
16:56 < chisa> avemestr: pretty sure it won't do, but i'll try
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16:57  * oldlaptop recommends at least a 24-ounce framing hammer for reliable results, ideally something much heavier
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17:53 < PapaChub> After some time (usually months, sometime as little as a week) I'll get into a state where dmesg says "re0: watchdog timeout" and ping prints "sendmsg: No buffer space available"
17:53 < PapaChub> "ifconfig re0 down; sleep 1; ifconfig re0 up" fixes things for a few minutes, until it happens again, and I eventually just reboot... Any thoughts on what else I might check/try?
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18:06 < lts> I had similar issues with Realtek cards. A proper Intel replacement was very cheap and has worked for years since
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18:07 < lts> (Bought genuine cards from a business machine recycler, not fakes from ebay)
18:14 < PapaChub> lts, Bummer
18:16 < seninha> Hi, if you run a remote host, do you configure newsyslog(8) on it to send mail of logs for you (so you can read at home, on your personal puter)?
18:17 < seninha> I am running `newsyslog -m` hourly at cron(8) on seninha.org to mail me any new log change. My /etc/newsyslog.conf is set to mail logs for /var/log/daemon and /var/log/messages.
18:18 < seninha> I want to see how other people do it, which logs are the most interesting to be mailed to, and how often.
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18:19 < seninha> (i am rethinking that setup.. i am getting too much noise from /var/log/daemon from ntpd and other daemons)
18:19 < seninha> Thanks.
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18:23 < lts> seninha: I just setup /etc/mail/ so that emails sent to root get sent to my monitoring mailbox (using an alias for root). The default daily checks are quite enough for me
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19:30 < mischief> PapaChub: i'd report it to the ml. i sometimes have this message with my rge nics, but i haven't had them stall
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19:32 < PapaChub> mischief, Any additional diagnostics I should provide?  (Otherwise it just feels like the generic Windows "An Error Has Occurred. [OK]" dialog, hehe)
19:35 < PapaChub> Like, "Press any key to continue; press any *OTHER* key to cancel."  (I know, I know, "Which one's the 'Any' key??")
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19:42 < mischief> dont think so
19:46 < thrig> e is the any key
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20:39 < vortexx> PapaChub: pcidump -v with the relevant section for the card, dmesg and dmesg -s relevant bits
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20:41 < PapaChub> vortexx +1
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20:42 < PapaChub> thrig, I've always used 'Shift' just to see if they *REALLY* mean "any" keystroke...  :evil:
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21:15 < thrig> "shift" is bad (on windows) as hitting it a bunch of times can turn on some wacky mode (but it's windows so you know it's gonna be skank)
21:17 < vortexx> seninha: for remote syslog monitoring you can just do wg (or vpn of your choice) tunnels to a central log host and have all devices log to that (man syslog.conf)
21:17 < vortexx> then you can run analog (from packages) or whatever you want, to analyse and generate reports that can be mailed to you
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21:18 < vortexx> OpenBSD's syslog speaks tls too, so it all go through encrypted
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21:37 < seninha> lts, i also do that. I get the output of daily/weekly and the messages after sysupgrade. I was wondering about stuff on /var/log/* a sysadmin should be notified about (i rarely check logs when i ssh into it).
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21:38 < seninha> vortexx, thanks; i'm gonna check it
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21:39 < seninha> I always want to setup a vpn with my VPS.
21:40 < vortexx> you're welcome. Central logging is a sysadmin best practice. Something low powered and plenty of disk space is usually fine for that, no need for some high powered machine
21:40 < vortexx> raid drives help too
21:40 < seninha> And probably with wireguard (which seems simpler to setup than iked/ipsec).
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21:44 < k0ga> seninha: tinc is even simpler to setup
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21:49 < seninha> not in base tho :(
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22:04 < sibiria> imo WG is about as easy as it gets. bonus for the widespread availability
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23:04 < Bradipo> Tinc has a very interesting design, but has performance problems.
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