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01:06 < unpx> I was thinking about RAM and corruption. I don't know how the system may detect errors or corruption, or if the general rule of thumb is indeed making backups and vheking for bit rotting
01:08 < unpx> inb4 does OpenBSD address this or is it just a "we hope the hardware works fine and you have ECC because you are using a server and [some other assumption I don't know]"
01:08 < pardis> how would OpenBSD address it?
01:11 < unpx> Don't even know how I can detect it... cron with checksum on all files?
01:11 < pardis> you said RAM, not filesystem
01:16 < unpx> What is more probable? pardis 
01:18 < pardis> that depends on many factors and isn't really relevant
01:19 < pardis> the OS cannot feasibly deal with RAM corruption
01:19 < pardis> it could deal with bit rot on disks, but OpenBSD doesn't
01:19 < unpx> ack
01:19 < pardis> so you need to be clear about what you're talking about in order to even have your question meaningfully answered
01:19 < Bradipo> You can use mtree(8) to accomplish that goal though.
01:22 < unpx> pardis: I guess the best that could happen for non-ECC ram error is kernel panic
01:22 < unpx> Bradipo: thankyou
01:24 < pardis> no, because you can't reliably detect RAM corruption in the first place, so there's no way to just panic on corruption
01:24 < pardis> you might get an accidental panic if corrupted RAM leads to some other error condition
01:25 < unpx> I see
01:31 < mischief> at work in our analytics pipeline, normally we capture the stringified signal that program die with
01:31 < mischief> one time i saw a result that was 'Wegmentation fault' :-)
01:31 < mischief> one bit flip
01:33 < Bradipo> Yeah, I've only observed one bit-flip event in my life.
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02:27 < Chip1972> how to install Virtualmin/Webmin on openbsd?
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10:06 < uzuri> openports.pl gives me 502 since last year, same for anybody else?
10:07 < lts> 502
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10:11 < uzuri> why s he using current sigh
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12:45 < ssm_> 502 for me too, though if you have a ports tree you can easily search packages offline
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14:23 < mokkurkalve> Hi! Does anybody know if OpenBSD 7.8 default kernel contains driver to support the watchdog functionality on pcengines apu2?
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14:29 < qbit> you can use my pkg tool to search everything offline (except for the first run needs net): https://codeberg.org/qbit/pkg
14:29 < vortexx> best thing to do is try. I don't recall someone bringing this functionality up as a topic...
14:29 < vortexx> man watchdogd and watchdog
14:30 < qbit> or openbsd.app for an online version
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14:57 < uzuri> qbit: heh thanks
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14:59 < uzuri> is it still maintained though? or was there just no need to in the last 3 years
14:59 < byteskeptical> qbit: use your online version all the time thank you for it, didn't know about this offline version, noice
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15:02 < AmyMalik> rip pcengines
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15:03 < qbit> uzuri: still maintained, I just haven't had to add stuff
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15:04 < qbit> byteskeptical: <3
15:06 < qbit> if there's anything missing that ya want, lmk :D
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15:15 < uzuri> qbit: the script doesnt work for me :[ complains about missing DBI.pm
15:18 < qbit> you need p5-DBI and p5-DBD-SQLite
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15:20 < uzuri> qbit: where are all the necessary dependencies listed? i dont see this information anywhere
15:21 < uzuri> sorry im not experienced with perl, just assumed since its in base then ur script should work
15:21 < qbit> ya, no sqlite in base anymore :D - i'll add a list of the deps to the man page
15:21 < sibiria> neither DBI nor the DBD modules are part of perl's core/standard module library, you'll need to install those
15:21 < qbit> iirc if you install sqlports it gets everything needed
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15:22 < sibiria> they're ported to openbsd so you can just reel them in with pkg_add
15:22 < sibiria> p5-DBI etc.
15:22 < qbit> i thought I had an error when they weren't there.. 
15:24 < qbit> at one point this 'pkg' script was in base too - minus the full text searching stuff I added
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15:29 < uzuri> installed sqlports, still get the same error, because it didnt pull p5-DBI and p5-DBD-SQLite as dependencies :p
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15:29 < uzuri> after installing them aslwell, it works now
15:29 < uzuri> but the 'pi' alias for pkginfo isnt recognized 
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15:30 < uzuri> works fine if you spell it out to 'pkginfo' but with just 'pi' it errors and prints the synopsis
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15:31 < qbit> mm, i'll take a gander
15:31 < uzuri> ohh im on -current btw
15:31 < uzuri> mayb that messes sth up
15:31 < qbit> shouldn't
15:31 < qbit> never know though.. computers and what not <.<
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15:33 < uzuri> ya.. forcing sand to think is cruel and was a mistake 
15:34 < qbit> https://codeberg.org/qbit/pkg/issues/1 i'll investigate
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15:40 < uzuri> qbit: oh could u actually reproduce?
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15:42 < qbit> haven't tried yet, on meetings this AM
15:42 < qbit> but I believe ya
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15:56 < uzuri> thank u
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16:43 < JohnGalt> is there a place other than demsg where there is more logging for hardware issues?
16:43 < JohnGalt> Im having trouble with USB devices not being recognized on two different computers
16:44 < JohnGalt> specifically usb mass storage
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16:47 < uzuri> JohnGalt: if someone would know then its Crystal Kolipe, you could try CC'ing her in misc@
16:49 < JohnGalt> uzuri: thanks!!
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20:21 < qbit> ls
20:21 < qbit> aww
20:21 < qbit> :D
20:21 < qbit> ls
20:21 < qbit> awww lol
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20:21 < qbit> guess yall are my terminal now!
20:21 < qbit> sorry
20:21 < kremlin> lolol
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20:52 < byteskeptical> qbit: least it wasn't your password, unless...
20:54 < qbit> :D
20:54 < qbit> best password
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21:29 < ssm_> I'm having trouble understanding the difference between : and :: dependency line operators for make(1). the description for both just kind of makes them seem ...the same? I think it's something to do with "each dependency line for a target is considered independently", does it just mean if I have a target listed twice that : will skip after one is up-to-date and :: won't?
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21:58 < ewig> Hi all. I'm trying to install openjdk, pkg_add gives me 3 choices ending with jdk version 17, but the openbsd apps site shows newer 21 and 25 versions (which are not listed when installing with pkg_add). Does it mean my HW is incompatable with them or something else?
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22:02 < fro> what openbsd apps site
22:07 < ewig> fro: openbsd.app - site to search openBSD packages
22:08 < vortexx> ewig: which version of OpenBSD are you on?
22:09 < fro> also what hardware
22:09 < ewig> vortexx: latest 7.8 fresh install. What I mean is there should be jdk-25 but I only see 1.8, 11 & 17 when using pkg_add, is it OK?
22:10 < ewig> fro: I'm using Lenovo notebook
22:10 < sibiria> tht's a bit odd. there's definitely jdk-21 and -25 in ports
22:10 < vortexx> ewig: are you using a CDN in /etc/installurl? The local mirror I looked at has jdk-21 and -25
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22:10 < vortexx> are you on amd64 or some other arch?
22:11 < fro> cdn wouldn't matter cause the packages are there also
22:11 < sibiria> yes. but not always on time. the various mirrors are out of sync all the time
22:11 < vortexx> sometimes there's update churns etc and the full list of packages isn't there
22:11 < vortexx> or why most of us use local mirrors when possible
22:11 < fro> yes that wouldn't matter
22:12 < ewig> vortexx: I think it should be the mirror then, I'll try to change the mirror, thanks gys
22:12 < fro> not relevant to this question at all
22:12 < fro> something else is wrong
22:12 < vortexx> just switched my installurl to cdn.openbsd.org and I'm getting the same result as ewig 
22:13 < fro> i'm seeing them on cdn
22:13 < supaman> im still on version 7.7 and pkg_info -Q jdk shows latest jdk as 21, is 25 then new in 7.8?
22:13 < sibiria> "pkg_info -aQ jdk"
22:13 < sibiria> supaman: try -aQ jdk
22:13 < sibiria> pkg_info query is iffy sometimes
22:13 < vortexx> same thing on mirror.ungleich.ch which has the -21 and -25
22:13 < supaman> still only 21
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22:14 < supaman> using cdn.openbsd.org in installurl
22:14 < sibiria> i'm on ftp.eu.openbsd.org, and i see 21 and 25 there
22:14 < fro> you won't see 25 on 7.7
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22:15 < vortexx> sibiria: with pkg_add -n jdk do you get -21 & -25 ?
22:15 < vortexx> pkg_info -aQ jdk works
22:15 < vortexx> but pkg_add doesn't pick them up
22:16 < sibiria> vortexx: nope, i can't install them either. i wonder if the metadata file is off
22:16 < sibiria> (updatedb)
22:17 < sibiria> i have some memory in the back of my head of someone else, years ago, running into a package name+version failure to match
22:17 < phy1729> Looks like jdk 1.8.0 11 and 17 had stable updates so it's doesn't keep looking to release packages
22:18 < vortexx> yeah could easily be that
22:19 < vortexx> (why are people all installing jdk all of a sudden? Some new java applet out or something=
22:19 < vortexx> ?)
22:19 < ewig> I've changed a mirror to a different one but see the same results
22:19 < fro> imagine that
22:19 < sibiria> larry ellison exercising digital witchcraft and mind control
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22:22 < vortexx> might just be easier to build from ports ewig in this one case if it's an urgent requirement. That or manually download off the mirror and do a local pkg_add
22:23 < supaman> ewig: what version of jdk you should install is entirely up to the needs you have. Check with the program you want to run that needs jdk, see what it says about supported java versions.
22:24 < supaman> ewig: versions 11 and 17 of jdk are still supported, so doesnáº't matter if you use them or not in regardto support or not.
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22:28 < ewig> supaman: Yep, just wanted to know why I can't see the other versions. It is very confusing though)
22:29 < supaman> ewig: agreed, very confusing
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