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--- Day changed Sat Jan 10 2026
00:00 < fro> i still think seeing what other solutions the employer has is best
00:00 < fro> which is a conversation not for this channel really
00:01 < Bradipo> brynet: What is the definition of "better solution"?
00:01 < Bradipo> What are the requirements?
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00:01 < Bradipo> Some guy named Kirill showed that ykman can disable the OTP on OpenBSD without the kernel shenanigans, so what else is required?
00:02 < brynet> It shouldn't attach as a fake keyboard by default, if there's some magic to make these devices do the right thing, someone needs to do that work.
00:02 < Bradipo> I thought Theo said he didn't like that approach.
00:03 < Bradipo> He said no to sysctl.
00:03 < brynet> I didn't say anything about a sysctl.
00:03 < Bradipo> I'm no kernel hacker, so I don't know what magic would be required to make it not attach as a fake keyboard by default.
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00:04 < Bradipo> What is the "right thing"?
00:05 < Bradipo> Some kind of interface to communicate with the kernel to change the Yubikey?
00:05 < brynet> Theo is quite clear in the commit message.
00:06 < Bradipo> Well, "convince Yubikey to significantly improve their tooling" is a non-starter.
00:07 < Bradipo> OpenBSD is very likely not their target market, so why would they ever spend money/effort on improving their tooling?
00:08 < Bradipo> If that's Theo's position, then there's no "magic".
00:08 < sibiria> there's really no suitable USB device class for this type of interaction
00:08 < sibiria> hard to say that there is another "right thing" besides universal keyboard, when it comes specifically to human-readable OTPs
00:11 < Bradipo> I'm curious about Theo's other statement, "If you want to use OTP, buy a difference device".
00:11 < sibiria> he probably means the ones with a small display of their own, commonly used for TOTP
00:11 < Bradipo> Are there other devices that I could use in place of the Yubikey?  I'm open to buying a different device if that would work.
00:11 < Bradipo> Oh, well, yeah, that's not an option.
00:12 < sibiria> your employer won't know unless their login thing measures input time :p
00:12 < Bradipo> Won't know what?
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00:12 < sibiria> that you're typing it manually instead of the device acting as a keyboard is typing it
00:12 < Bradipo> The device would have to be registered, they don't "just work".
00:12 < sibiria> ok. then i suppose they will say no
00:13 < Bradipo> Yeah, that works.  I could put the Yubikey in a Linux system and press it, then copy/paste.  But thats... lame.
00:13 < Bradipo> It also means that I have to have 2 systems everywhere I go... 1, my OpenBSD laptop, and 2, a Linux system nearby.
00:14 < mischief> you could write a userspace driver for it
00:15 < Bradipo> mischief: That's what I'm wondering about... if ykman doesn't work, why would my userspace driver?
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00:17 < Bradipo> ykman has an otp mode... but it doesn't work.
00:17 < mischief> no, you can't get OTP codes out of the cli
00:17 < mischief> it requires touch
00:17 < mischief> and upon touch it sends HID reports out of the USB HID EP
00:18 < mischief> so.. rather than having ukbd(4) handle that, a program written with libusb could read the hid reports instead and stuff them into X
00:18 < Bradipo> Oh, so it already sends HID reports... I would just need something to read them...
00:19 < Bradipo> Interesting, idea.
00:19 < mischief> stand by
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00:19 < Bradipo> So I see /usr/lib/libusbhid.so.7.1
00:21 < Bradipo> I see base has ubshidctl(1).
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00:36 < Bradipo> Ok, interesting... I see that it attaches as uhid2...
00:36 < Bradipo> I can run: usbhidctl -f /dev/uhid2 -l
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00:36 < Bradipo> Then when I press the "button" it dumps a bunch of stuff...
00:38 < Bradipo> Haha, I could probably parse this with awk.
00:38 < Bradipo> It's a bit messy though.
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01:01 < mischief> Bradipo: seems we had the same thought
01:01 < mischief> i was not looking at irc :-)
01:01 < mischief> usbhidctl -f 0 -l | awk 'BEGIN { key = "" } /\.Keyboard.*\[0\]/ { split($1, spl, "_"); if (spl[2] != "Return") { key = key spl[2] } else { print(key); fflush(); key = "" } }'
01:02 < mischief> works on my yubikey 5 nano
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01:03 < mischief> for bonus points you could pipe it into xdotool
01:04 < Bradipo> mischief: I was actually using sed...
01:04 < Bradipo> However, for some reason when I pipe to sed, it doesn't output the last 2 characters of the stream for some reason.
01:04 < Bradipo> Maybe using fflush() will fix that in awk.
01:05 < Bradipo> I notice that if I unplug the Yubikey, then I magically get the last 2 characters of the OTP, lol.
01:05 < Bradipo> But I simultaneously get an error about the device gone missing.
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01:06 < mischief> doas usbhidctl -f 0 -l | awk 'BEGIN { key = "" } /\.Keyboard.*\[0\]/ { split($1, spl, "_"); if (spl[2] != "Return") { key = key spl[2] } else { print(key); fflush(); key = "" } }' | xargs -r -L1 xdotool type
01:06 < mischief> works in xterm, at least :)
01:06 < Bradipo> I was also handling the (ENTER) by just having sed 'q' when it sees it.
01:06 < Bradipo> But it doesn't see it until I unplug.  It's like usbhidctl buffers stuff.
01:07 < Bradipo> I can just copy/paste the output, no problems.
01:08 < mischief> usbhidctl should be line buffered
01:09 < Bradipo> Here's what I was using: sed -n -e 's/^Keyboard\.Keyboard_\([a-z]\)_and_[A-Z]=1.*/\1/p;/^Keyboard\.Keyboard_Return_(ENTER)=1.*/q' | tr -d \\n | (cat ; echo)
01:09 < Bradipo> But it hangs...
01:09 < Bradipo> Does it hang for you?
01:09 < mischief> sec.. need to attach to irc from my x301 with openbsd
01:09 < Bradipo> Haha, yeah, I didn't do that, I just typed it.  Sorry, I should have put in a pastebin.
01:10 < Bradipo> I'll try your awk version.
01:10 < mischief> just an ssh away. hello from x301/openbsd
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01:11 < Bradipo> Yeah, ssh+tmux are great.
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01:12 < mischief> sed oneliner seems to work but exits after taking one line
01:13 < mischief> i'm not really a sed expert so i reach for awk normally
01:14 < Bradipo> I use both interchangeably, and this one looked easier to tackle with sed.
01:14 < Bradipo> It might be exiting after one line because it's data from a previous button press.
01:14 < Bradipo> It's like the data is being buffered somewhere.
01:15 < Bradipo> Just run: usbhidctl -f 0 -l
01:15 < Bradipo> Then press the button once.  Then start over with the sed in the pipline.
01:15 < Bradipo> You may have to unplug the Yubikey to get all the data (I did).
01:15 < AmyMalik> fuck everything
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01:16 < mischief> another satisfied customer
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01:17 < fro> haha
01:19 < Bradipo> Ok, so your awk version hangs just like my sed.
01:19 < Bradipo> I have to unplug the Yubikey to get the full read for some reason.
01:19 < Bradipo> Of course usbhidctl exits with an error of "Device read error" on stderr, but that doesn't matter.
01:20 < Bradipo> mischief: Thanks for the pointer about USB HID.  When you said that I realized I could probably use usbhidctl.
01:20 < mischief> i dont seem to have that problem
01:21 < Bradipo> Could be difference in the USB HID on my system?
01:21 < Bradipo> Let me try a different system...
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01:21 < mischief> maybe the key
01:22 < mischief> maybe the anemic cpu and shitty usb 2 bus on my x301 are just slow enough that it works out
01:22 < Bradipo> Mine is a Yubikey 4.
01:24 < mischief> while i do have a yubikey 4 and i initially tried it, it doesn't produce an otp string at all any more even though its enabled
01:25 < Bradipo> Yeah, no matter which OpenBSD system I plug it into, when I press the button, even with just "usbhidctl -f 0 -l | tee /dev/tty" it doesn't output the entire data set.
01:25 < Bradipo> No matter, I just press the button, unplug it, and ignore the error and copy/paste the output.
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01:28 < Bradipo> fro: I guess I don't "have" to compile the kernel after all.  Klunky, but OpenBSD was destined to be such I suppose.
01:28 < fro> since you've made it this far i'm sure you'll find a more elegant solution at some point
01:28 < Bradipo> Nope.
01:29 < Bradipo> I live by the Unix philosophy.
01:30 < mischief> now email the list and see what they think of our 'solution' ;-)
01:30 < Bradipo> The most elegant this is likely to get is an entry in ~/bin
01:31 < Bradipo> I will.
01:31 < Bradipo> Though, maybe I shouldn't... for all I know someone will rip out -l support from usbhidctl, lol.
01:33 < Bradipo> Is there a better way to find the uhidN  than parsing dmesg?
01:33 < Bradipo> One one of my systems it's uhid0 and another uhid2.
01:33 < mischief> usbdevs
01:33 < Bradipo> I l ooked at the output of usbdevs -v
01:34 < Bradipo> Doesn't seem to correlate.
01:34 < mischief> addr 02: 1050:0407 Yubico, YubiKey OTP+FIDO+CCID
01:34 < mischief>          full speed, power 30 mA, config 1, rev 5.71
01:34 < mischief>          driver: uhidev0
01:34 < Bradipo> Or... I don't know how to interpret it.
01:34 < mischief>          driver: uhidev1
01:34 < mischief>          driver: ugen0
01:34 < Bradipo> Well, on mine, I see driver: uhidev1, driver: uhidev2, but neither are uhid0
01:35 < Bradipo> Nothing in the usbdevs output suggests to me that I should use uhid0.
01:35 < mischief> uhid is a child device of uhidev
01:35 < mischief> though other child devices could attach
01:36 < mischief> say, fido(4)
01:37 < Bradipo> addr 06: 1050:0407 Yubico, Yubikey 4 OTP+U2F+CCID full speed, power 30 mA, config 1, rev 4.34 driver: uhidev1 driver: uhidev2 driver: ugen2
01:37 < Bradipo> That's mine with \n removed with tr.
01:37 < Bradipo> I don't see anything that suggests to me that I should use: usbhidctl -f 0
01:37 < Bradipo> Again, not important, I can look at dmesg and see that it's uhid0.
01:38 < mischief> probably sol since i suppose the uhid device indexes dont correlate with the uhidev device indexes
01:40 < mischief> the proper way to do this would likely be write a c program that can pick the key by serial number, as the official yubikey tooling does
01:40 < Bradipo> Yeah, I was reading through uhid(4)...
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01:41 < Bradipo> Interesting, I don't see the serial number with usbdevs, but ykman displays it.
01:42 < Bradipo> I wonder if usbhidaction culd also work...
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01:58 < Bradipo> mischief: Do you want credit in my email to misc@ ?
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02:12 < mischief> sure why not
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03:46 < mischief> can anyone explain what a 'dynamic route' is? "D    RTF_DYNAMIC      Created dynamically (by redirect)."
03:46 < mischief> i keep seeing entries appear in my routing table and i have no idea why
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05:36 < martian67> mischief: sounds like an ipv6 thing
05:38 < martian67> search ndp and icmp redirects
05:38 < martian67> it can also happen in IPv4, but it much more commonly happens with IPv6
05:39 < martian67> usually related to router solicitation 
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10:52 < mischief> martian67: i eventually figured it out, it's PMTUD
10:53 < mischief> took some digging..
10:54 < mischief> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/sys/netinet/ip_icmp.c#L994
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19:35 < shinbeth> good evening, cryptonauts
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19:53 < il> evening
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21:25 < shinbeth> automated fortune cookies reading in terminal with shell script and using MS Edge voices, now finally I invented non organic nanny to read fairytales to me befor the sleep, this idea got me muted on ##slackware though
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21:39 < cgnarne> cursed
21:39 < shinbeth> cgnarne: yeah
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21:46 < oldlaptop> surely audio/espeak would be more convenient?
21:49 < shinbeth> oldlaptop: depends on the task, this SoniaNeural voice is pretty interesting, espeak is not very good with non english languages
21:50 < oldlaptop> by "convenient", I mean that espeak is right there in /usr/local/bin, and I have no idea how the hell you'd even run an "MS Edge voice"
21:51 < oldlaptop> (they ship linux binaries of Microogle Edgium, but that isn't obviously helpful)
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21:51 < shinbeth> well I consulted some glorified AI tools that halped me a bit, I wouldnt have done this without them
21:52 < oldlaptop> ohhh, is this some networked REST-API thing?
21:53 < oldlaptop> that's a bit different, I guess
21:53 < oldlaptop> in that I still have no idea how the hell you'd run it, but you're asking microsoft to run it for you anyway
21:53 < shinbeth> i dunno all you need is reverse engineered component ms-edge-so
21:54 < oldlaptop> still seems harder than | espeak
21:54 < shinbeth> so technically thats not a microsoft itself just a grey area
21:54 < shinbeth> yeah but what a pleasant SoniaNeural voice, like playing X3:Albion Prelude...
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21:58  * oldlaptop wonders how their LLM, presumably training from the REST service's text-to-speech submissions, is affected by piping fortune(6) into it
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