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03:57 < rnkn> how can I pay secret env vars to cronjobs (i.e. daily.local)?
03:57 < rnkn> *pass
03:59 < rnkn> oh never mind, I can just set in the cron file itself (private) instead of worrying about daily.local (public)
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04:01 < thrig> env vars are not very secret and get passed to child processes and may be visible to `ps -e`
04:03 < rnkn> thrig: isn't that just if you've done something wrong?
04:04 < rnkn> my whole setup uses env vars with secrets
04:06 < thrig> so you could have oopies like forking a process and leaking env to it, etc
04:07 < rnkn> I think I'm okay for the moment but will certainly keep that in mind
04:08 < pardis> it's not if you've done something wrong, it's just how env vars work and have always worked
04:09 < rnkn> I think I'm using them as intended, any forked processes are intended to inherit these env vars
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04:11 < rnkn> but out of curiosity, what's the preferrable alternative?
04:12 < thrig> a risk is forking over to a process that runs random user-provided code, and then they might be interested in the env
04:12 < dg> files with permissions on them directly read avoid the unexpected passing of env variables
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04:16 < rnkn> at the moment I'm storing my web app's cookie signing secret and its password salt in the app's env. the app runs as its own user/login class and forks to workers running the as the same.
04:17 < rnkn> what dangers should I look out for?
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04:35 < rnkn> for this I am offering a bounty of 250 internet points
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05:27 < phy1729> What do you mean "password salt"? Each password should have its own salt
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06:14 < rnkn> boy is my face red
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06:15 < rnkn> I thought the salt was required to check the password hash
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07:48 < rnkn> now only the cookie signing secret is in the env
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16:45 < szilard> Hi. I got a second-hand dell latitude 5420. It seems to be working fine except the em0. I see the following in dmesg:
16:45 < szilard> em0 at pci0 dev 31 function 6 "Intel I219-LM" rev 0x20: msiem0: The EEPROM Checksum Is Not Valid
16:45 < szilard> em0: Unable to initialize the hardware
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16:46 < szilard> AFAIK it have something to do with the power management (fixme). I have tried all settings in BIOS, but it is still not working.
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16:50 < szilard> is there any workaround for this issue, or am i supposed to send a mail to the mailing list?
16:52 < lts> szilard: a quick internet search seems to indicate that is not a bug with operating system, it is a corrupted EEPROM which you can reset/reflash with Intel tools
16:52 < thrig> also check for BIOS updates, etc
16:52 < oldlaptop> (that sounds about like what someone like me who isn't an expert on em(4) hardware, or an LLM, would guess based on the error message alone)
16:54 < oldlaptop> I'm not sure how optimistic I'd be that the offending EEPROM can actually be reflashed, for an onboard device on a laptop.
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16:56 < oldlaptop> especially without windows (if you're lucky that kind of thing miiiiight come with its own MS-DOS image)
16:57 < szilard> My search found this: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=142745164904290&w=2
16:57 < szilard> Maybe it needs some patches on OBSD side.
16:59 < thrig> freedos can be used to apply dell bios patches, at least
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17:04 < szilard> thrig: this is the latest bios, i have updated it yesterday.
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17:05 < szilard> this specific laptop can update bios from the fw menu.
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17:45 < mischief> i have a faint memory of some intel drivers ignoring eeprom checksum failures
17:47 < mischief> https://github.com/9front/9front/blob/front/sys/src/9/pc/ether82563.c#L1801
17:48 < mischief> it sets that flag for this nic even :) [i219]"i219",9018,Fload|Fert|F79phy|Fnofct|Fnofca|Fbadcsum,
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17:52 < szilard> just sent an email to the bugs mailing list regarding the eeprom checksum.
17:52 < szilard> lets see what the devs thinks.
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21:27 < vortexx> heads up, php updates in ports
21:27 < vortexx> plus the usual firefox stuff, been a bit of while
21:27 < vortexx> also wireshark
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23:09 < vortexx> mischief: on an SGI 320 with Slackware 10 I had eeprom corruption for the intel e100 card, which v9.x didn't have. Oh well.
23:09 < vortexx> nowadays I guess a fw patch helps
23:10 < vortexx> and yes you can install win64 to usb (better buy the fastest one you can afford) to deal with that if freedos isn't your thing
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23:13 < lessless> peeps, do you think there is any real chance that 51,55 or 56 t-shirts will ever be reprinted? 
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23:15 < vortexx> I'd say no
23:16 < vortexx> but getting tshirts printed can more or less be on demand these days, it's more of will openbsd foundation get the money I'd sa
23:16 < vortexx> y
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23:54 < mischief> i think my 7.8 shirt arrived, need to check the mail..
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