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05:58 < rnkn> does unveill automatically have access to /tmp?
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06:03 < byteskeptical> rnkn: which application are you asking about?
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06:41 < rnkn> OpenBSD::Unveil in Perl
06:41 < rnkn> byteskeptical: ^
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07:40 < byteskeptical> rnkn: /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/cpan/OpenBSD-Unveil/t/OpenBSD-Unveil.t
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11:17 < szilard> Hi. My new laptop doesn't have a physical mid button for the touchpad. IS there any chance to map it on altgr or something?
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12:35 < mokkurkalve> Why does this negation in pf.conf give a "syntax error"?
12:35 < mokkurkalve> block quick on $ext_if proto !{ tcp udp icmp }
12:37 < mokkurkalve> I would belive you could block protos not { tcp udp icmp } this way... so does chat gpt belive...
12:39 < sibiria> you can't negate a group. you have to negate each item
12:40 < quinq> That's what you get for asking a computer that can't think
12:44 < sibiria> also that rule will become unnecessary later on when you start to specify what ports etc. you want to allow traffic through
12:45 < sibiria> no need to specify criteria in steps
12:45 < mokkurkalve> ok, but then i have to figure out what all existing protocols not { tcp udp icmp } are called and block them which is what i tried to avoid, which is a bit of laziness i reckon, but still...
12:45 < sibiria> no you don't
12:45 < sibiria> what you wanted to write was this: { !udp !tcp !icmp }
12:45 < sibiria> but it's an unnecessary step
12:46 < sibiria> you can specify the protocol at the same time you specify the port and similar, which surely you will be doing later on in your rule set
12:46 < sibiria> the usual approach is that you specify a few explicit criteria you want to pass, and block everything else
12:46 < mokkurkalve> yes. just extra precaution so that i'm sure unwantet protos won't sneak over the border
12:47 < sibiria> they won't
12:47 < sibiria> it's not analogue signals
12:47 < mokkurkalve> yes i do start the set with "block all"
12:47 < sibiria> then you're done
12:47 < sibiria> all means all
12:50 < mokkurkalve> but just for the record; following rule also make syntax error: 
12:50 < mokkurkalve> block quick on $ext_if proto { !tcp !udp !icmp }
12:54 < sibiria> then there is no support to negate protocol identifiers
12:54 < sibiria> (but for the record, you still cannot negate a group. each item needs to be negated)
12:55 < mokkurkalve> yes. got the point. thanks
12:58 < quinq> According to the BNF, you can't
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16:18 < wafflesies> hello
16:18 < wafflesies> i have a 2004 imac. it is a 64 bit system with 32 bit efi. im looking to install something on it and i heard openbsd may be able to help
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16:29 < quinq> EFI from 2004?
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16:34 < wafflesies> yeah its not uefi its called efi 1.1
16:34 < wafflesies> it might be an 05 idk
16:38 < mischief> try it and see
16:39 < mischief> https://www.openbsd.org/macppc.html
16:39 < wafflesies> not ppc, 64 bit intel
16:40 < wafflesies> i already tried netbsd but it wont boot post install
16:40 < quinq> Ah ok
16:40 < quinq> So more like ~2006
16:40 < wafflesies> yeah something like, that its the old white macs
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16:46 < mischief> perhaps https://www.openbsd.org/i386.html then
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17:19 < wafflesies> alright im back had to burn a cd and update my machine
17:20 < wafflesies> ok so i have burnt a openbsd 32 bit cd img and booted into it on the mac, it is taking a long time to boot but im not sure if thats expected
17:20 < quinq> What's long?
17:20 < wafflesies> 10+m
17:20 < quinq> Yeah, doesn't seem normal
17:21 < quinq> Maybe it'll boot faster once installed
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17:21 < wafflesies> i had to reboot to put in an ethernet cable and its working now, it said missing seed and now its progressing
17:22 < wafflesies> sry for ping unfortunate name person
17:22 < quinq> Ah ok
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17:24 < wafflesies> unable to get a list from openbsd.org but that is ok
17:25 < wafflesies> i should have internet i was able to configure my interface...
17:26 < quinq> Is the local date correct?
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17:26 < wafflesies> no
17:27 < quinq> :)
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17:28 < wafflesies> i set the date thanks for the tip
17:29 < quinq> nada
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17:30 < wafflesies> do u know if i need to do anything special for efi 1.1
17:30 < wafflesies> netbsd i was able to install but not boot likely due to efi woes
17:39 < wafflesies> ooh thats very exciting, it boots
17:41 < quinq> nice :)
17:43 < tydes> does anyone have a good approximation of ss -tulnp using netstat? 
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17:49 < wafflesies> quinq the model for this computer is imac 4,1 and it has genuine intel 1400 (2) 1.83ghz
17:49 < wafflesies> so ya 2006
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19:28 < wafflesies> firefox looks like its missing from the repo kinda weird
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19:28 < wafflesies> this is 32 bit openbsd tho and i only got 1gb ram so ig i can just use dillo
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19:36 < thrig> firefox became too bloated to compile on i386
19:38 < wafflesies> oh ok its probably too bloated for my 1gb ram anyways lol
19:38 < wafflesies> i know on my actual i386 laptop it would take several minutes to load a webpage
19:43 < mischief> dont worry, my x301 fares no better
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19:47 < wafflesies> good excuse to rethink the software u use, tho thats one of the points of openbsd having such a small bin partition by default iirc
19:47 < wafflesies> more programs, more bloat = more holes
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