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00:48  * oldlaptop wonders if this broken-scraperbot dumpster fire is ever going to burn out
00:49 < fro> ?
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00:49 < oldlaptop> (apropos of the latest "why is cvsweb acting weird" thread: https://marc.info/?t=176920058400001&r=1&w=2)
00:49 < fro> oh
00:52 < oldlaptop> You'd hope the very stupidity (how much faster and easier would it be to just mirror the cvs archive, or probably 'better' still clone from github) suggests the particular geniuses responsible are making other stupid decisions and therefore their firms won't last forever
00:53 < thrig> the market however can stay insane for longer than you remain solvent
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00:55 < oldlaptop> hopefully that applies better to short-selling than to running a cvs webui
00:56 < thrig> the AI winter seems late in coming
00:57 < ssm_> us gov bails out ai corps and defaults everything
00:58 < ssm_> economics are fake!!!
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01:27 < tux0r> communism is the last resort!
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01:29 < mischief> oldlaptop: i don't think the actors actually care about cvs, or the source in particular
01:29 < mischief> it's more likely the equivalent of someone pointing a shop vac at the internet
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01:30 < oldlaptop> That's still (arguably? probably?) bad for their general natural-language-focused LLM, you'd figure
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01:31 < oldlaptop> feeding it C and irritated block comments about how much $crappy_hardware sucks
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01:34 < systemdsucks> tux0r: the last hope!
01:34 < mischief> i do wonder why they don't just setup a cache like varnish, or use pf ratelimiting
01:34 < systemdsucks> had to check what channel this was
01:34 < oldlaptop> (it would be interesting to learn whether they make effort to detect (say) gitlab/gitweb/cgit and not hoover that up, at least not into the same pile as the human language)
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01:35 < oldlaptop> re ratelimiting, my understanding is that at least some of them set up a chrome extension (or whatever) and use that as a botnet
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01:35 < thrig> this reminds me, I need to better document zfsctl for openbsd
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01:36 < oldlaptop> i.e. any one address probably isn't requesting at much of a rate, and is probably a plain old residential connection
01:37 < oldlaptop> and if they're hitting up all the permutations of all the diffs (see misc@ thread) that cache is going to take an awful lot of cycles to fill
01:37 < mischief> i've had personal experience with a scraper killing my gitea instance
01:38 < mischief> though mercifully in that case, a wildcard robots.txt stopped it
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01:42 < thrig> also, nothing sucks like a VAX https://www.openbsd.org/images/vax.jpg
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04:02 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/append.c
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06:53 < humm> thrig: why don’t you use BUFSIZ?
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09:11 < Ove_> Is IPv6 generally more unlocked than IPv6? Using iperf3 I see much higher speeds on an ER-4 with IPv6 than IPv4.
09:12 < Ove_> Is IPv6 generally more unlocked than IPv4?
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09:34 < IcePic> Ove_: perhaps v4 forwarding always does tcp reassembly
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09:38 < Ove_> Yeah I don't know, I am too stupid to find out why IPv6 is faster than IPv4.
09:43 < IcePic> Ove_: can you try udp forwarding also?
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09:46 < Ove_> About 200 Mbit/s over ipv6
09:47 < IcePic> you have to tell iperf3 to up the speed, since udp doesn't have flow control like tcp
09:48 < Ove_> yeah, I did -b 1000M
09:48 < Ove_> iperf3 -b 1000M -u -6 
09:48 < Ove_> But I think it might be this shitty telia-router I have.
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10:11 < Ove_> IcePic: https://pastebin.com/9DyyV4f6 with er-4 as server and iperf3 -u -b 2000m
10:11 < Ove_> As sender it seems capped at 181 Mbit/s
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13:35 < mischief> Ove_: that paste is showing gigabit speeds, is that not what you expect?
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13:45 < Ove_> mischief: For UDP and ipv6 it is working faster than with ipv4 (which maxes out at aronud 600 Mbit/s).
13:45 < Ove_> I am just curious as to why.
13:46 < Ove_> For NAT or device to device (with er-4) I max out at around 600 Mbit/s. But with IPv6 I get 800+ Mbit/s. And udp gives me linerate, but that's kinda expected.
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13:47 < Ove_> I understand it cant be as fast with the original er-4 with stock firmware (since there is no blob for the asic they use to accelerate networking in edgeos or whatever it calls).
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13:48 < Ove_> So my question was if ipv6 was generally more unlocked than IPv4 and I can hope for almost linerate on IPv4 as well further down the road.
13:48 < Ove_> When bluhm and vitaliy have worked more of their networking magic.
13:55 < mischief> you could do some profiling
13:55 < mischief> or get a faster computer :)
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16:51 < lts> Seconding that. ER-4 is ancient technology and you can get a x86-64 Skylake (for example) for 50 $currency which will run circles around is as a router
16:51 < lts> s/ is / it /
16:51 < lts> ...and failed that too. Damnit
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16:53 < sibiria> ancient, but in itself fully capable of slinging 1 gbit/s. it's primarily an openbsd problem
16:54 < sibiria> 600 mhz single-core mips24k can sling 1 gbit/s with linux
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16:58 < sibiria> ...or at least close. i've seen MT7620A on openwrt do 800 mbit/s
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17:02 < thrig> ...and then you'll rate limit that down to slow down the techbro bots
17:06 < lts> I want to send everything out via VPN tube so that each some processing too. But maybe more importantly I want to be able to switch broken parts easily, or more likely, switch SSD to a new computer and continue routing
17:06 < lts> Any year now I'll build a high availability carp setup
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17:11 < thrig> I dunno, you might need a fish license for that
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17:20 < IcePic> thrig: and you are the driver of the Looney Detector Van?
17:21 < thrig> probably not, given I've neglected wheel wiggling and have never had a driver's license
17:23 < sibiria> but you are american, sir? how do you survive in america without a car, sir?
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17:36 < mischief> public transit works fine in some places
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