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03:20 < xoddf2> Does the OpenBSD port of Kdenlive even _work_?  When I try to put a clip in the timeline, it freezes.
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03:21 < xoddf2> (process:3815): GLib-CRITICAL **: 19:21:17.368: g_main_context_pop_thread_default: assertion 'stack != NULL' failed
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03:44  * oldlaptop loosely recalls that espie@ described shotcut in "now there's a video editor that actually works" terms when importing it
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03:47 < xoddf2> oldlaptop: Shotcut throws that same error and then crashes.
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03:48 < oldlaptop> almost six years ago now (!?), and more in "kdenlive sucks and shotcut doesn't" terms https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=159076520528699&w=2
03:48 < oldlaptop> (I'm inclined to agree about that)
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03:49 < oldlaptop> shotcut sure does look like it gets active maintenance separately from "here's the latest batch of kde stuff", so one would hope...
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03:52 < oldlaptop> (they're also both mlt consumers, by the look of it? had *thought* so)
03:53  * oldlaptop does not usually do video editing on the 10-year-old thinkpads that run openbsd on the metal around here
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03:54 < replooda> How far does that take you, oldlaptop? t440 or so?
03:54 < oldlaptop> Nothing past (4|5)20, when the keyboard-related wickedness began
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03:55 < replooda> Slim abominations!
03:56 < replooda> Old thinkpad keyboards are so comforting.
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03:57  * oldlaptop can fairly enthusiastically recommend https://tex.com.tw/products/shinobi - but not aware of any current-production laptop with anything really good
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04:04 < replooda> Ohhh that's a nice one!
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04:05 < systemdsucks> also nice name
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04:07 < oldlaptop> in a sample of one I had the stem on the spacebar split after some years of heavy use; keycap legends aren't particularly durable; GoogVM ("web") layout configurator isn't the best thing (really do need to get back around to trying to reverse-engineer it, unless someone else has already done that by now)
04:08 < replooda> https://www.8bitdo.com/retro-mechanical-keyboard/
04:08 < oldlaptop> otherwise exactly what you would hope
04:10 < oldlaptop> (and when last I looked at SK8855 prices it undercuts them while being pretty much strictly superior - even SK8845 are pretty silly now)
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05:02 < oldlaptop> xoddf2: I can reproduce what /appears/ to match your description, but it seems to be possibly dependent on exactly what the clip is
05:04 < oldlaptop> (length, format, something)
05:05 < oldlaptop> also not always the same misbehavior
05:07 < oldlaptop> Probably a reasonable inference that mlt is where the underlying problem is - and if I had to guess it's related to length (short clips seem fine here, a very long one is not)
05:10 < oldlaptop> should say I tried shotcut, not (yet) kdenlive (and it's way too late for this kind of thing here)
05:11 < xoddf2> oldlaptop: Under -current, Kdenlive seemed to work better, but rendering never actually starts.
05:22 < xoddf2> s/seemed/seems/
05:24 < rnkn> I have this script running as an rcctl service but I can't figure out how to kill it https://git.sr.ht/~rnkn/bliptown/tree/master/item/etc/block_php
05:24 < rnkn> (without killing all tail -f /var/log/relayd processes)
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05:40 < martian67> rnkn: use a pidfile
05:40 < IcePic> yeah, stashing the pid in /var/run would probably be better-than-nothing
05:41 < martian67> although these functions should take care of it for you
05:41 < martian67> but you have to define them https://man.openbsd.org/rc.subr.8
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05:45 < IcePic> oldlaptop: that keyboard has a ridiculous amount of "extra" qualifier keys so that the spacebar is all but gone
05:46 < oldlaptop> IcePic: Which one?
05:46 < IcePic> https://tex.com.tw/cdn/shop/products/2020-05-16_122712.png?v=1592296598&width=3000
05:47 < oldlaptop> That's the Japanese layout
05:48 < oldlaptop> (AIUI that is normal, or at least normal for Japanese thinkpads)
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05:50 < oldlaptop> The US one is a pretty close match for a US Thinkpad of the appropriate period, I'd assume the euro ones match their corresponding thinkpads too
05:50 < IcePic> in my humble opinion, physical keyboards don't need Fn, unix people don't need windows qualifier keys (could have been next to vol-up or so), the "menu" key is probably never going to see use, so even for the latin-1 layouts there are at least 3 keys too many (for me!) in that row
05:50 < oldlaptop> *shrug* it's an exact match for the Thinkpad :P
05:52 < thrig> some folks sell limited keyboards
05:52 < oldlaptop> Fn is basically useless, that's fair enough. (It would be useful on the actual Thinkpad)
05:52 < IcePic> yeah, not attacking you here, just voicing my disdain for the idea to stick even more qualifiers into the bottom row.
05:53 < IcePic> "Microsoft's new AI key is first big change to keyboards in decades "
05:53 < oldlaptop> The other one has much fewer keys (and supposedly double shot keycaps, which shouldn't wear down quite as fast...)
05:53 < oldlaptop> Too much fewer keys, I think, but presumably someone disagrees
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05:54 < IcePic> not from that site, but that is the next huge revolution, make it so people mistakenly activate more AI functions so it looks like its useful to anyone
05:54 < oldlaptop> (https://tex.com.tw/products/shura)
05:55 < oldlaptop> I would assume you can at least bind the "copilot" key to something
05:55 < oldlaptop> (as one technically can do with the little blue button on thinkpads)
05:56 < oldlaptop> assuming out of hand one isn't so silly as to run windows on the thing
05:56 < IcePic> I remember Dell computers around y2k came with a "help" button on the actual computer, close to Power and Reset which would (if running winders) take MSIE to the dell website. Also an idea that did not really survive for long
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05:57 < oldlaptop> the blue Thinkpad button lasted surprisingly long for something so useless (but presumably cheap)
05:58 < oldlaptop> Never seen such a thing on the Dells around here.
05:59 < oldlaptop> (which I guess would tally with it not lasting long!)
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06:03 < IcePic> adding anything extra needing a button, wiring and so on costs the factory an extra cent or so, lost profits immediately if not very valued by every customer. =)
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06:04 < oldlaptop> A front panel switch is probably actually fairly expensive as such things go
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06:04 < oldlaptop> Whole nickels and dimes worth, even in y2k money!
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06:23 < thrig> an old EE told me about the struggle to get one more resistor into TVs back in the day
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06:29 < rnkn> martian67: thanks. I ended up just rewriting it in perl.
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17:15 < waffles> hey so after my succesful 32 bit openbsd install im looking to migrate to a 64 bit install with 32 bit efi
17:16 < waffles> my cpu is 64 bit but i need efi 1.1 support
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17:24 < brynet> waffles: There is no supported migration path from OpenBSD/i386 to OpenBSD/amd64, you just reinstall.
17:24 < waffles> yeah ill reinstall
17:24 < waffles> what im not seeing is how to burn a cd with a 64 bit openbsd image with 32 bit efi
17:25 < vortexx> waffles: the installer comes with both by default
17:25 < brynet> waffles: OpenBSD/amd64 ships a 32-bit EFI bootloader (BOOTIA32.efi) on the install media.
17:25 < waffles> ooh lemme check then
17:25 < vortexx> what's the hw for this use case?
17:27 < waffles> imac 4,1
17:29 < brynet> amd64 install78.iso might be too big for CD-R now.
17:29 < waffles> i have dvds dw
17:30 < waffles> ah i remmeber this issue from dvd... it gets stuck on cd boot type which is why i had to use a cdr
17:31 < brynet> You can also just fetch amd64 bsd.rd, and place it in / on your i386 install.
17:31 < brynet> then just boot from that and install.
17:32 < brynet> You will need working networking, ofc.
17:32 < waffles> i have it yeah
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17:35 < waffles> lost my pack of cds somehow so ordered a pack of those, will arrive later today
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19:50 < thrig> vi(72223) in free(): write to free mem 0x16590dee500[40..47]@256  whoops tee hee hee
19:51 < mischief> time is suspiciously fast in vmd on an amd cpu. i assume this is not normal
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19:56 < sibiria> mischief: change host timer from tsc to anything else
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19:58 < mischief> sibiria: how?
19:59 < sibiria> sysctl kern.timecounter.hardware kern.timecounter.choice
19:59 < sibiria> acpihpet is better. tsc is a good default since it's available everywhere, but it isn't accurate
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20:00 < mischief> it is currently acpihpet.
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20:03 < mischief> with acpihpet 'sleep 30' sleeps for about 1-2 seconds, with tsc it sleep for about 5 seconds. xD
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20:03 < sibiria> uh. wow
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20:05 < thrig> nvi(56512) in free(): write to free mem 0x30180f540[0..7]@192   okay it's somewhat portable to nvi too
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20:13 < mischief> the 'time problem' doesn't seem to exist on my intel machine
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