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00:02 < sibiria> i avoid the egress group simply because user has little to no control over what ends up there
00:05 < uwharrie> "Addresses can be specified in CIDR notation (matching netblocks), as symbolic host names, interface names or interface group names, or as any of the following keywords"
00:06 < uwharrie> and "Surrounding the interface name (and optional modifiers) in parentheses changes this behaviour. When the interface name is surrounded by parentheses, the rule is automatically updated whenever the interface changes its address. The ruleset does not need to be reloaded."
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00:10 < mischief> right, but block|match|pass on <interface> only takes actual interface groups or an interface name, right?
00:11 < mischief> i suppose the solution is use actual interface names ($ext_if etc) and not the magical egress group
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00:11 < uwharrie> I use `(egress)` without issue
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00:12 < sibiria> the issue is that you don't know what goes in there
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00:13 < uwharrie> I've never had anything unexpected get added to the group
00:13 < mischief> ok, i confirmed
00:14 < mischief> match out on (egress) is a syntax error and match out on egress is not
00:15 < sibiria> it's the source/dest (to/from) you can wrap in parens to have it auto-update
00:17 < sibiria> the interface declaration should update itself if it's a group
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03:09 < mlxdy> hi hi
03:10 < mlxdy> hello mtoy
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04:06 < byteskeptical> hiya
04:07 < mischief> good evening
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05:36 < mischief> probably not too many lua fans, but i've been doing a lot of lua hacking lately
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05:37 < mischief> here are some mostly documented and portable to linux bindings for imsg_add(3) https://github.com/mischief/libimsg
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07:14 < bket> mischief: just committed an update for rclone, which contains your mount fix
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07:19 < mischief> bket: thank you! will be looking forward to it next release :)
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12:55 < sibiria> mischief: i'm a lua fan
12:55 < sibiria> i use a bit of lua at work
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14:03 < luna_homefosdem> https://live.fosdem.org/watch/k3201 
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14:38 < anthk_> helllo mischief 
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14:49 < systemdsucks> mpv can't play that url :(
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14:50 < luna_homefosdem> systemdsucks: pretty sure there is a link for mpv there
14:50 < luna_homefosdem> systemdsucks: https://stream.fosdem.org/k3201.m3u8
14:50 < luna_homefosdem> its NetBSD talks instead of Open now however
14:52 < systemdsucks> heh
14:52 < systemdsucks> thanks luna_homefosdem 
14:52 < luna_homefosdem> np
14:52 < systemdsucks> hey, netbsdis nice
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15:14 < mischief> anthk_: good day
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15:17 < mischief> what was the result of the valgrind talk? will we get it soon for openbsd? :)
15:19 < anthk_> valgrind? it's in packages
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15:19 < anthk_> maybe I was fixing some software
15:19 < anthk_> if it was zenlisp, I used a different malloc
15:20 < anthk_> mimalloc
15:20 < anthk_> that way it worked
15:21 < avemestr> polarian of #openbsd fame is up later tonight - looking forward to it :-)
15:21 < avemestr> Also an interesting talk by Thomas Munro on tuning the BSDs for postgresql.
15:22 < luna_homefosdem> avemestr: yup
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15:27 < mischief> anthk_: no, there is no valgrind
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15:28 < mischief> https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/devel/valgrind/Makefile#L2
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15:56 < vortexx> doesn't valgrind break quite frequently as OpenBSD internal plumbing is changed?
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16:05 < mischief> the issue currently seems to be pinsyscalls
16:06 < thrig> just do what all those exploit claimers do, disable pinsyscalls
16:07 < anthk_> mischief: ah, it's broken
16:08 < vortexx> yeah polarian will be on in 90 mins
16:08 < vortexx> I'm setting an alarm
16:11 < luna_homefosdem> watching the entire room and now eating dinner, as the Linux and translation room i work more with is tommorow afternoon
16:11 < luna_homefosdem> sorry for being offtopic semi ontopic
16:11 < luna_homefosdem> :p
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17:28 < mokkurkalve> mischief: Now that you got haesbaert somewhat active again, maybe you can nudge him towards a 1.0 release.... :-D
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17:39 < vortexx> https://live.fosdem.org/watch/k3201 presentation about to begin
17:39 < Bradipo> Presentation of what?
17:40 < vortexx> polarian 's presentation on "Securing your network with OpenBSD"
17:40 < Bradipo> THat isn't for another hour...
17:40 < vortexx> https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/YTYUAH-openbsd-router/
17:41 < Bradipo> Oh wait, times are UTC+1, lol.
17:41 < vortexx> yep
17:41 < luna_homefosdem> yup
17:41 < Bradipo> Should just put UTC. :-)
17:41 < vortexx> cabling issues are holding it up
17:41 < cgnarne> going live in 3,2,1
17:41 < mischief> mokkurkalve: he said he needs to install an openbsd vm to test my patch splat from ports.. not sure it counts as active >_>
17:41 < luna_homefosdem> Bradipo: but bruxells is not UTC
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17:42 < Bradipo> Good luck with the presentation.
17:42 < vortexx> luna_homefosdem: Brussels in English. Bruxelles in French
17:42 < luna_homefosdem> vortexx: heh true :p
17:42 < luna_homefosdem> sorry
17:43 < vortexx> no worries
17:43 < vortexx> thanks for reminding us FOSDEM is even on
17:43 < mischief> nice, polarian runs awesome
17:44 < luna_homefosdem> very awesome
17:45 < mokkurkalve> No. But one can hope.
17:46 < mokkurkalve> Anyways. I'm gonna use your patch to get rid of the noise one of these days. Thanks!
17:48 < quinq> And Brussel in Dutch
17:49 < vortexx> the HDMI issues continue
17:49 < Bradipo> That's interesting, I haven't had too much trouble with HDMI.
17:50 < Bradipo> Try xrandr?
17:50 < vortexx> I look forward to the debrief on how things were screwing up at the beginning
17:50 < vortexx> (OpenBSD might not be his laptop OS)
17:51 < Bradipo> Ahh, ok.
17:51 < vortexx> (he's very active on #freebsd as well)
17:51 < vortexx> ok it's on
17:52 < Bradipo> x11vnc over X might be an option.  I'm curious how they solved it.
17:52 < Bradipo> Different cable?
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17:55 < vortexx> probably different cable if not laptop
17:56 < dogg0> are there any firewall software out there, similar to is opnsense freebsd?
17:57 < dogg0> when i first started pc'ing my friend had me help him setup openbsd on a box for our firewall
17:57 < dogg0> over 20yrs ago now
17:58 < dogg0> ive been hearing opn/pf sense is freebsd? so what is out there based on openbsd
17:58 < mischief> i hear openbsd is based on openbsd, have you tried it?
17:58 < dogg0> ah f im an idiot
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18:05 < mischief> i've had some ideas around web interfaces for openbsd, like pfsense, but nothing concrete yet
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18:09 < jason123onirc> polarian has a good talk 
18:10 < jason123onirc> the point about getting a wifi ap with openwrt is fine but then I still don't understand why not use openwrt for everything 
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18:12 < vortexx> polarian: good job on the presentation, shame your laptop wouldn't work
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18:12 < vortexx> most people here wouldn't agree with using usb dongles but at a pinch it works
18:12 < vortexx> jason123onirc: to get away from using the linux kernel
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18:14 < Bradipo> I would just treat the WAP as any other untrusted device.
18:14 < mischief> there's no pf, for one
18:14 < jason123onirc> vortexx, makes sense 
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18:16 < jason123onirc> I guess the wireless access point is controlled like any other ethernet device when plugged into openbsd 
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18:26 < bombuzal> Wet Ass Pussy is an untrusted device
18:27 < netbsdunchik> why?
18:27 < bombuzal> It's probably riddled with malware
18:33 < netbsdunchik> you don't trust wet pussies?
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20:03 < avemestr> I believe both Thomas Munro and polarian was running FreeBSD and they both had troubles in that room an hour apart.
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20:04 < avemestr> FWIW I've never had similar troubles on OpenBSD as long as my laptops is booting with the relevant monitors attached. xrandr can be funky with "hot-plugging".
20:05 < avemestr> But people took it in good (FOSDEM) spirit. The first keynote speaker also had trouble in the largest auditorium in the morning.
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20:41 < vortexx> avemestr: problem with that is maybe you don't want to show which user you're logging in with on the laptop
20:41 < vortexx> but yeah hotplugging isn't something I've tried much on a bsd 
20:41 < vortexx> at least for video output
20:41 < vortexx> probably should give it a go
20:42 < avemestr> vortexx: I've had good experience with hotplugging keyboard, mouse and (USB) speakers.
20:43 < avemestr> I presume the monitor issues I've had could be solved by some xrandr in hotplugd or something, but hasn't bothered looking into it.
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21:00 < vortexx> I'll give it a go when I get round to rebooting into OpenBSD again
21:01 < vortexx> I've got a couple of screens, one that's still vga/dvi and the other is hdmi
21:01 < vortexx> and I have the adapters for them
21:01 < vortexx> (from usb-c)
21:04 < mischief> i got this a while back and i am super happy for the price https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BTSFVMLV
21:05 < mischief> powers via just usb a or c port and can either do hdmi or run dp over usb c
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21:17 < vortexx> mischief: thanks for sharing!
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21:22 < mischief> np. i use it to connect to my headless openbsd router, or other dev machines to debug them, since most of the time they are all headless. lightweight portable monitor is very convenient.
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21:24 < vortexx> yeah it does seem to be an important consideration
21:24 < vortexx> doesn't ship to where I live but I have ways around that
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21:26 < mischief> could probably find similar on aliexpress
21:27 < vortexx> nah it can wait till US based relative comes to visit again, which will be soon enough
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21:27 < mischief> funny that i pair it with an IBM SK-8855, which is about 4 times as expensive as the monitor on ebay
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21:32 < vortexx> a true ibm keyboard for being on the go that
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21:56 < oldlaptop> mischief: Very amusing that SK8855 (even SK8845 now) seem to be undercut on price by Tex's stuff
21:57 < oldlaptop> which I'd argue is pretty much strictly superior (I guess the first-party Thinkpad (TM) ones *are* better for "being on the go"...)
21:58 < oldlaptop> although Tex have that bluetooth tumor thing
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22:51 < polarian> vortexx: Indeed, xrandr refused to detect any output... 
22:51 < polarian> then a friend of mine's laptop was using an exotic wayland compositor so his laptop didnt work 
22:51 < polarian> so a freebsd dev gave over his 
22:52 < polarian> jason123onirc: I would argue OpenBSD is still more secure than openwrt, also the reason to use openwrt APs is because regular APs are insecure, and as I explained, I would still overlay WPA with wireguard, and VLAN them off.
22:52 < polarian> avemestr: yes my laptop is freebsd 
22:53 < polarian> in any case my talk was a disaster 
22:53 < polarian> and my f bomb was heard on video :(
22:55 < vortexx> yeah learning to be pg on mic is a skill
22:55 < vortexx> you did pretty well don't worry
22:56 < vortexx> xrandr might have worked if the beamer had been powercycled, or whatever capture gear the hdmi cable was plugged into
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23:20 < sibiria> polarian: where can i see your talk?
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23:28 < polarian> sibiria: when fosdem reeleases it
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23:33 < jason123onirc> <polarian> jason123onirc: I would argue OpenBSD is still more secure than openwrt, also the reason to use openwrt APs is because regular APs are insecure, and as I explained, I would still overlay WPA with wireguard, and VLAN them off. <-- well yeah open source openwrt will still always be more secure than closed source solutions 
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23:34 < jason123onirc> but i enjoyed your talk 
23:36 < sibiria> before openbsd got WPA2 support, i ran my AP plain open and unencrypted but accepting only IPsec connections
23:37 < sibiria> these days i don't really worry about openwrt (or its WPA3 support from wpa_supplicant)
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