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02:01 < mischief> trying to run dpb devel/metaauto, it just ends with L=devel/metaauto. the lock file ./logs/amd64/locks/devel.metaauto.lock doesn't really say much, any idea what's wrong?
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02:35 < rnkn> is my understanding correct that relayd needs to be restarted (not just reloaded) when TLS certificates change on disk?
02:37 < mischief> rnkn: my crontab only has reload, and has worked for me
02:38 < rnkn> I have a daily.local that fetches certificates through my registrar's API then reloads relayd, but today relayd failed with the following logs https://paste.sr.ht/~rnkn/3a8f8be20b665271484cc90b36734aa22dfd1963 
02:39 < rnkn> it also attempts to renew other certificates with acme-client
02:40 < rnkn> obviously the "invalid relay hash" bit is problematic, but I'm not sure what caused it
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07:24 < vortexx> mischief: remove the lock file, metaauto building must have crashed. It'll run after that. 
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09:01 < mischief> vortexx: ok, thanks. i think my permissions are fucked.
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09:52 < rnkn> is there a way to get a kind of output like pkg_info -m but for the base system?
09:59 < quinq> You mean which set where installed?
09:59 < quinq> s/set/&s/
10:00 < vortexx> mischief: proot will set that up for you
10:00  * quinq ouvre une fenêtre
10:00 < vortexx> lol
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10:01 < vortexx> rnkn: tar tzphf /somewhere/*.tgz (where your sets are) will do it
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10:01 < vortexx> if you mean which files 
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10:03 < vortexx> if you mean which sets, you should be installing all of them, so there shouldn't be a question there
10:06 < quinq> :D
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18:58 < deepesttoaster> I can not for the life of me figure out why after changing the internal interface to a trunk port and adding some rules to make vlans behave the port forwarding rules broke in pf
18:58 < deepesttoaster> For anyone who has the time/inclination, here's the config https://pastebin.com/68fajanW
18:59 < deepesttoaster> Via copious amounts of testing and packet captures I have confirmed that the traffic is coming in, the rule is being hit, the traffic is not getting from the firewall to the server.
18:59 < deepesttoaster> pass in on egress inet proto tcp from any to (egress) port { 80 443 } rdr-to 192.168.1.25 keep state
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19:15 < Bradipo> Do you see the packets going out to the server?
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19:28 < xse> would there be a difference trying from outside vs inside the lan?
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19:39 < deepesttoaster> xse: I don't understand the question.
19:39 < deepesttoaster> From another machine on the same lan as the server works fine.
19:40 < deepesttoaster> But that's not really going through the router/firewall
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19:48 < mischief> deepesttoaster: when you dump the rule back with pfctl -vvsr does it match what you expect
19:48 < sibiria> deepesttoaster: did you move the vlans to a new parent interface, but forgot to change the hostname.if?
19:51 < deepesttoaster> mischief: I'm not 100% sure what to expect, hadn't encountered that set of switches in my searching. but it does look to me that the rule is being hit.
19:51 < deepesttoaster> @27 pass in log on em0 inet proto tcp from <us:66027> to (em0:1) port = 80 flags S/SA rdr-to 192.168.1.25
19:51 < deepesttoaster>   [ Evaluations: 2514      Packets: 84        Bytes: 4743        States: 0     ]
19:52 < deepesttoaster> sibiria: they were not moved, they were newly created.
19:52 < mischief> vvsr = verbose verbose show rules
19:52 < deepesttoaster> em0 - physical interface that gets DHCP from the ISP
19:52 < deepesttoaster> em1 - physical interface that's connected to a trunk port on the switch and does not have an IP
19:52 < deepesttoaster> wg0 - wireguard virtual interface with ip 192.168.2.1
19:52 < deepesttoaster> vlan's 10, 3, 4, 5, 6 - virtual interfaces each with their own IP (192.168.1.1, 192.168.3.1, 192.168.4.1, 192.168.5.1, 192.168.6.1) and each with a vlandev of em1
19:53 < mischief> are all of your interfaces marked 'up'? :-)
19:54 < mischief> that is one landmine i ran into when switching to veb that dlg laid for us
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19:56 < deepesttoaster> yes, all of the interfaces are up
19:57 < deepesttoaster> interestingly, the forward at the end of the config for wireguard does work
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19:59 < mischief> is it a vm? why do you have both em and vio?
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20:00 < deepesttoaster> I'm actually not sure that vio rule does anything. I don't have a vio interface, that was from following a guide on wireguard and when it worked I never went back to better understand it.
20:00 < deepesttoaster> Now that I have a better understanding I don't think that line's required
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20:03 < mischief> vio is for virtio interfaces, in e.g. vmd or QEMU
20:04 < deepesttoaster> yeah, no packets ever seem to go through that rule, and this is a physical box so no virtual interfaces.. that's just a bad rule that's getting commented out now.
20:05 < deepesttoaster> and with it being commented out, wireguard still works so, that's something.
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20:10 < deepesttoaster> most of what I've found has said I need something like `rdr in on egress inet proto tcp from {<us>, ...} to (egress) port { 80 443 } -> $nextcloud
20:10 < deepesttoaster> however that always results in a syntax error
20:12 < IcePic> deepesttoaster: the Pledge of hte Network Admin from Book of PF might apply here, https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/vgg8o2/pf_last_matching_rule_philosophy/
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20:12 < mischief> deepesttoaster: it's a syntax error because that syntax has not existed in openbsd for a very long time, it's likely describing freebsd or os x pf
20:12 < IcePic> rdr syntax with arrow "->" is openbsd 4.6 or earlier, OR one of the ports of PF to other OSes
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20:15 < deepesttoaster> yeah, I suspected it was legacy based on the age of most of the posts, though I did see a couple people posting in 2026 claiming that it worked on their OpenBSD setups. I was dubious of those claims before I'm glad to know my skepticism was justified.
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20:18 < deepesttoaster> IcePic: Fair enough. I do generally take enough care to backup before trying some suggesting from the internet, and I do have console access via tty to recover if I break routing.
20:19 < deepesttoaster> In this case having to choose between working vlans and working port forwarding is brutal though
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20:20 < IcePic> the openbsd faq and its PF section might be a good read 
20:21 < vortexx> deepesttoaster: if what you're trying to achieve is to port-forward to nextcloud, I found the performance of that lacking. It's much better to have a caching reverse proxy on the router, be it relayd (couldn't get it to work) or nginx (works very well). There are other proxies of course but I didn't try those
20:21 < deepesttoaster> IcePic: I've gone through it, that's actually where I got the rule that worked before I had vlans 
20:22 < mischief> have you sprinkled `log` on your rules and watched for drops with pflog?
20:22 < deepesttoaster> vortexx: it's actually several other services, xmpp, plex, and others so a reverse proxy isn't really viable
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20:24 < vortexx> maybe a reverse proxy per router domain with a vlan on each domain for each service?
20:24 < Bradipo> Does relayd do caching?
20:24 < vortexx> (yes I know, that's adding extra complexity to the network config)
20:24 < mischief> Bradipo: no.
20:24 < deepesttoaster> mischief: yes, and I see that it hits the rule but there's never any traffic that makes it to the server
20:24 < vortexx> Bradipo: I'm not even sure, I didn't get that far
20:24 < Bradipo> Yeah, so it's not surprising it didn't work. :-)
20:25 < Bradipo> If caching is a requirement.
20:25 < vortexx> Bradipo: I just wanted it to work as a reverse proxy for what I was trying to achieve
20:25 < vortexx> then I found out that for large downloads I needed caching
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20:27 < mischief> deepesttoaster: what happens when you tcpdump on your interface that has the route to 192.168.1.25?
20:27 < deepesttoaster> Feb 02 12:26:13.256273 rule 29/(match) pass in on em0: 100.26.213.246.43812 > <Redacted IP>.80: S 1893123432:1893123432(0) win 62727 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 4259534120 0,nop,wscale 7> (DF)
20:28 < mischief> no, not pflog
20:29 < deepesttoaster> oh, you want from em0
20:29 < mischief> in your conf lan = "em1" table <lan> { 192.168.1.0/24 }
20:30 < mischief> so em1 should have an address from 192.168.1.0/24 and a route, right?
20:30 < deepesttoaster> em1 does not have an address, it's a trunk if it has an address then none of the vlans work.
20:31 < mischief> wheres your route to 192.168.1.0 then?
20:32 < deepesttoaster> vlan10 is 192.168.1.0/24 with an ip of 192.168.1.1
20:33 < mischief> sure
20:33 < mischief> so can you ping 192.168.1.25 on vlan10? does it appear in arp(8)/route -n show?
20:35 < deepesttoaster> yes I can ping 192.168.1.25 from 192.168.1.118 as well as from the rest of the vlans
20:35 < mischief> what about from your firewall, on 192.168.1.1
20:36 < deepesttoaster> route show results: https://pastebin.com/7LMmSGaC
20:36 < deepesttoaster> yes the firewall can ping 192.168.1.25
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20:37 < mischief> so there is an arp entry and a route, good
20:37 < mischief> what about when you tcpdump on vlan10?
20:38 < mischief> can you see the traffic that pf should be redirecting?
20:40 < deepesttoaster> no I don't see any traffic that pf should be redirecting on vlan 10
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20:42 < deepesttoaster> I see it on em0 (wan port) but not on em1 nor vlan10 and my limited understanding would expect it on both
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20:54 < mischief> hm
20:54 < mischief> all working here i think
20:54 < mischief> http://www.offblast.org:666/
20:55 < mischief> pass in log quick on egress inet proto tcp from any to egress port 666 rdr-to 192.168.74.2 port 80
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20:57 < deepesttoaster> yep, that worked when em1 had an ip and I didn't have any vlans. once I added vlans and got rid of the IP from em1 and moved it to vlan10 that same rule stopped working
20:57 < mischief> my parent interface (vport0, inside veb0) does have an ip
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20:58 < mischief> perhaps one is needed to handle untagged traffic? /shrug
20:58 < deepesttoaster> yeah, I tried just giving it an IP and that broke all traffic
20:59 < mischief> i wonder why it's working here then
21:00 < deepesttoaster> do you have multiple vlans with the switchport you're connected to being a trunk rather than an access port?
21:02 < mischief> i dont have a 'switch', i only have veb(4) on my gateway that bridges my physical nics, and one dumb downstream from that
21:02 < deepesttoaster> fair enough
21:03 < mischief> i'm not much familiar with vlans, but from what i could tell the encapsulated frames just got pooped out onto my dumb and flat network
21:03 < deepesttoaster> I'm tempted to try again with giving em1 an IP. Just noticed in the hostname.em1 file I had given IP/subnet/broadcast? and I think if I just give IP/Subnet like the rest of the hostname files that might make a difference?
21:04 < mischief> the other end in my openbsd www vm eventually saw the frames
21:10 < deepesttoaster> I guess I'll try this IP without the 192.168.1.255 third option and worst case roll-back to where I'm at now in a few minutes..
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21:24 < deepesttoaster> whelp, not only did that not work, but it took a while after I put it back for irssi to reconnect because no route to host for irc.libera.chat
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21:48 < mischief> TIL about the ksh alias r='fc -s'
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21:55 < deepesttoaster> I jump between too many different systems to trust myself with most aliases
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21:57 < mischief> bash has fc -s as well, but no default 'r' alias, it seems
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21:59 < deepesttoaster> yeah, looks like most of my systems don't have that r alias, so far only the OpenBSD firewall does
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23:34 < deepesttoaster> mischief: I just realized in your test setup you used a veb and I don't have any bridging going on. Is that veb because you're dealing with a VM or do you think that I might need to bridge something together? It looks like I could potentially create a veb to bridge all the vlans and the lan port?
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23:38 < mischief> the veb(4) is a holdover from the previous bridge(4), out of some desire to get a flat network
23:38 < mischief> i'm not sure there's any real reason for me todo it, i could just as well have separate netblocks on each if and use routing without any downsides i think
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23:40 < mischief> my now outdated configs are at https://github.com/mischief/ansible if you want to poke around, but i quit using ansible
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23:43 < mischief> note that if you use veb you need the link0 flag for forward encapsulated frames
23:44 < dg> if you don't have an "inet ..." in hostname.if the interface might not be brought up, does ifconfig definitely show "UP"?
23:46 < mischief> deepesttoaster: see the veb(4) and ifconfig(8) manuals for the notes on vlans in there.
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23:46 < mischief> dg: he has routes and neighbors, its definitely up
23:46 < dg> ah ok
23:47 < mischief> see the earlier paste of route -n show
23:47 < dg> (unless you're on -current, because veb has some vlan support now..., also even before -current you may not want to set link0 and have vlan interfaces based on the physical interface be members of a veb)
23:48 < mischief> dg: right now he has no veb, i'm not sure if adding it will make his problem worse or better :-)
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