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00:00 < izder456> does anyone know of a way to get gpu temp for amdgpu or radeon supported cards on OpenBSD?
00:00 < izder456> radeontop doesn't do it for me
00:00 < ssm_> GALLIUMHUD maybe?
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00:01 < ssm_> https://manerosss.wordpress.com/2017/07/13/howto-gallium-hud/
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00:06 < izder456> thanks that works
00:07 < izder456> just need to do GALLIUM_HUD=temperature <command>
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00:53 < rnkn> I had relayd crash upon an rcctl reload; can anyone tell me what `ca_dispatch_relay: invalid relay hash` might point to?
00:55 < Bradipo> Something in relayd.conf ?
00:56 < Bradipo> If you restart it, does it happen again?
00:57 < rnkn> Bradipo: all good with a restart and hasn't happened since
00:59 < Bradipo> Perhaps whatever generates the hash didn't have enougn entropy or something.
00:59 < Bradipo> Sounds like a bug though.
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02:44 < mischief> rnkn: i had looked at the code after you mentioned it the other day
02:45 < mischief> it seems to mean relayd has forgotten about that certificate somehow
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02:58 < rnkn> mischief: thanks for doing that; I guess the failsafe is to restart rather than reload?
02:59 < mischief> likely
03:00 < mischief> probably a bug in the maze of the privsep procs and pipes and imsgs
03:00 < mischief> it would probably be good to write to the mailing list
03:00 < mischief> can you repro?
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03:07 < rnkn> I cannot
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03:13 < mischief> rkta: were you changing certificates when you reloaded?
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03:28 < rnkn> I fetch a certificate from my domain registrar API in daily.local, run acme-client on multiple certificates, then reload relayd. the acme-client certs in this case were not renewed. the certificate fetched through the API doesn't look like it's renewed but it's hard to tell, the registrar doesn't have logs of when the certificate gets renewed.
03:29 < rnkn> (to be clear, I run acme-client on separate certificates)
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03:31 < rnkn> just checking the API fetched cert and it's valid from 06 Dec 2025, so although it's a new file, not a new certificate
03:32 < mischief> ok, i repro'd it
03:32 < mischief> ca: ca_dispatch_relay: invalid relay hash 'SHA256:764076891ced15921fb2ec023df3232c194dccac8c6b9fde2565ca01ed13874d'
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03:32 < rnkn> ah, how'd you do it?
03:32 < rnkn> glad to see I'm not alone
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03:33 < mischief> its easy
03:34 < mischief> doas watch -s 0.1 pkill -HUP -U 0 relayd
03:36 < mischief> actually that seems to murder the whole proc tree, i guess kill -HUP <root parent proc> is better
03:39 < rnkn> doesn't -U 0 already restrict to root's proc?
03:40 < mischief> it should, but i'm not sure why
03:40 < mischief> anyway, sticking `socket "/tmp/relayd.sock"` in my test config and running `doas watch -s 0.1 relayctl -s /tmp/relayd.sock reload` also will trigger it
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03:50 < mischief> rnkn: i will write a mail
03:51 < rnkn> mischief: would you? that would be great as I don't think I have the ability to troubleshoot it
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03:53 < rnkn> my openbsd system is a production system so I'm hesitant to stress test the relayd
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03:59 < mischief> rnkn: sent to bugs@
04:00 < rnkn> mischief: brilliant, thanks!
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07:27 < vortexx> mischief: I wish dpb would use swap on my package builder system when building firefox...
07:28 < vortexx> I don't think I've managed to build it since 7.8 was released
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07:35 < vortexx> gah, just noticed my login.conf entry for pbuild was ridiculously small
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08:24 < mischief> vortexx: were you able to try rclone?
08:24 < mischief> bket_ bumped it in ports
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08:34 < vortexx> mischief: not yet, did it make it to -stable? Otherwise I'll spin up a -current VM
08:35 < vortexx> (I did fix my nextcloud jail by recreating and copying the relevant data over but I've noticed today my VMS that back up via duplicity using webdav are erroring out with 503 errors despite Nautilus connecting just fine...)
08:36 < mischief> i dont think its in stable
08:37 < mischief> https://github.com/openbsd/ports/commit/1b72ae19f1958356a59532c7d2481bce2ca6b71d
08:38 < mischief> uh, also, bket_ didn't add the cmount build tag
08:38 < mischief> so you have to build rclone from source with the go toolchain
08:38 < vortexx> what's a cmount build tag?
08:39 < mischief> a flag when building to make rclone have the fuse support
08:39 < vortexx> ah
08:39 < vortexx> got a pastebin of the commands I need to do to achieve a build via the go toolchain please?
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08:41 < mischief> git clone https://github.com/rclone/rclone; cd rclone; gmake GOTAGS=cmount
08:41 < vortexx> ok
08:41 < vortexx> thanks
08:44 < mischief> or `go install -tags cmount github.com/rclone/rclone@latest` should work
08:46 < vortexx> upgrading a spare VM to -current
08:46 < vortexx> well, to the latest snapshot
08:47 < vortexx> lemme check current.html for any gotchas
08:47 < vortexx> looks ok
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08:54 < mischief> bket_: can you add the cmount go build tag to the port?
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09:02 < vortexx> just emailed ports@ about the pkg_add behaviour issue with older versions getting updates in packages-stable when the newer ones don't
09:03 < vortexx> Can't install git-2.52.0 because of libraries <-- lol my snapshot is too old
09:03 < vortexx> I've got the build VM downloading the rclone code for me, I'll just rsync it over
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09:13 < vortexx> mischief: I like how gmake is pulling in a million go modules/dependencies
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09:14 < vortexx> (I did pkg_add go gmake)
09:15 < vortexx> (as you can tell I know next to nothing about go)
09:16 < mischief> those are the dependencies of rclone
09:16 < mischief> c'est la vie, it supports a billion backends
09:17 < vortexx> true
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09:20 < mischief> also, the Makefile is just a thin wrapper around the go toolchain itself. make is just being a command argument frobber
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09:29 < vortexx> ok got it built, it accepts the mount command but now I have to figure out the .rclone config file to be able to do rclone mount nextcloud: /mnt
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09:42 < sjk> Hmm... is borg 1.4 not available as a package? I can only find borg 2.0 which is a beta/testing release
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09:43 < vortexx> /dev/fuse0: Permission denied
09:43 < vortexx> I'm in the wheel group when trying rclone mount nextcloud: /home/vortexx/mnt yet it errors out
09:44 < IcePic> I think one has to be root to mount disks, not just own the mountpoint?
09:44 < vortexx> sjk: 1.4 is in ports, lemme check in packages
09:44 < mischief> vortexx: its webdav?
09:45 < vortexx> mischief: yes
09:45 < mischief> you can run rclone config for an interactive cli to configure it
09:45 < mischief> alternatively you can inline it with the right invocation
09:46 < vortexx> sjk: you're running into the pkg_add problem of "version got bumped in -stable for one release but not the other". Download the package manually off CDN / mirror and pkg_add it
09:46 < vortexx> mischief: I've got that set up, going to try as root 
09:47 < mischief> well, yes
09:47 < mischief> on openbsd you can't use fuse without root
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09:48 < vortexx> even if I'm in wheel? it's got wheel group permissions for /dev/fuse0
09:48 < vortexx> but that's not a limitation for me, it's fine
09:48 < vortexx> mounting is taking a while :P
09:48 < mischief> my device node is 'crw-------  1 root  wheel  92, 0 Oct 22 10:27 /dev/fuse0'
09:48 < mischief> so no, no fuse for wheel
09:49 < vortexx> ok
09:49 < mischief> vortexx: rclone doesn't fork to background, so open another shell and check the mountpoint (as root)
09:49 < vortexx> will do
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09:50 < vortexx> ok it works!
09:50 < vortexx> thanks a lots mischief bket_ 
09:50 < mischief> \o/
09:51 < mischief> what kind of speed do you get?
09:51 < vortexx> going to try and compile in -stable to see if it works
09:51 < vortexx> let's see
09:51 < mischief> try pv -X /mountpoint/catvideo.mp4
09:52 < mischief> i only tried sftp which varied strangely in speed but webdav may be faster
09:53 < vortexx> tab complete takes a few seconds
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09:53 < vortexx> it's reporting my /mnt as being 1Pb in size with 1Tb used, which isn't correct but not an immediate issue
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09:53 < vortexx> (have to go in 5 mins)
09:53 < mischief> webdav is not really a fast protocol
09:53 < IcePic> vortexx: I think it might have to fake some value
09:54 < vortexx> probably
09:54 < IcePic> many network fs's do that, just take "some huge value that will not prevent writes"
09:54 < mischief> i think there are some caching options for rclone that might make it more responsive though
09:54 < IcePic> so if you write zeroes to some "insane compression scheme fuse", then it would store 1PB for you, regardless of what the backend storage actually could hold
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09:56 < vortexx> I've mounted with --vfs-cache-mode full
09:59 < mischief> i do expect there are some lurking bugs, so probably don't run dpb or store your priceless cat nfts over it, but im glad it mounts at least
10:00  * IcePic sends all the bored ape pics to fuse
10:02 < vortexx> 2026/02/04 10:57:10 ERROR : Videos/Films/03-Fifty-Fifty.avi: vfs cache: failed to download: vfs reader: failed to write to cache file: Encryption not ready: multikeydecrypt with share key failed:error:02000
10:02 < vortexx> I think that's a nextcloud backend error, I have the server side encryption enabled but I haven't checked since fixing the jail that that is working
10:02 < mischief> that is a mouthful
10:03 < mischief> googling seems to say that is a nextcloud error
10:04 < mischief> the extent of my experience with webdav is just the nginx plugin, which pretty much just worked for what i did with it, and i've never used nextcloud
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10:12 < mischief> good night. more hacking tomorrow.
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10:22 < sjk> vortexx: ahh, interesting
10:22 < sjk> THanks!
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10:32 < vortexx> sjk: you're welcome
10:32 < vortexx> bbl
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14:15 < anthk_> how can I add swap to a file under openbsd?
14:15 < anthk_> I tried with vndconfig and disklabel but after that swapon doesn't let me swap into it
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14:22 < pardis> have you tried 'swapon /path/to/file'?
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14:57 < anthk_> yes, and it panicked
15:01 < pardis> works for me
15:01 < devune> hi, everyone! I'm looking for an arm64 SCB with reasonably good openbsd support, something along the lines of beaglebone support and I have these two boards in mind: OrangePI Zero2 with H616 processor and OrangePI R1 Plus with RK3328 processor. which one openbsd supports better? and how about boards based on A64 processor?
15:02 < sibiria> the pine a64 worked alright-ish back when i still used mine 5+ years ago
15:02 < sibiria> (allwinner A64)
15:02 < sibiria> not sure if you can still buy that specific board or if they went with a new SoC on a revised board
15:04 < devune> thanks, sadly my local shops only have these two boards that i mentioned as available. otherwise i'd rather go with one them pine boards too.
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15:08 < sibiria> iirc pine64 ship globally
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15:16 < devune> well not in my juricdication.
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15:32 < vortexx> re
15:33 < vortexx> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=177020801221215&w=2 sthen responded, the syntax is pkg_add jdk%21 for ex for jdk-21
15:34 < vortexx> sjk: try pkg_add borgbackup%1.4 ?
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16:52 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/vi-comment.txt
17:03 < uzuri> thrig: in not american enough to understand the joke :(
17:08 < vortexx> uzuri: girl scouts will pester you to buy their cookies, like people asking to add features to vi
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17:09 < thrig> probably the "adult supervision" is a bit of sarcasm
17:10 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/bigger-quote.txt
17:12 < anthk_> pardis: the point is it's a truncated file, sparse one
17:12 < anthk_> truncate -s 1G swap.img
17:13 < anthk_> then I used vnconfig and disklabel
17:13 < pardis> sure am enjoying one nugget of information per hour
17:13 < pardis> I also did it with a sparse file, by the way
17:14 < uzuri> vortexx: ahh thangs
17:15 < anthk_> ah, sorry, I was a bit busy
17:16 < anthk_> well, in my case after the kernel tried to use the swap file with swapon swap.img on a big build with clang, it panicked
17:17 < vortexx> changing login.conf pbuild entries to sane levels allowed me to complete compiling firefox
17:19 < vortexx> mischief: rclone compiled fine on -stable too
17:20 < mischief> that is where i originally built and tested it
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17:27 < vortexx> wow you're already up? :)
17:29 < mischief> perhaps
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17:31 < vortexx> trying to umount the webdav mounted /mnt and it's hanging, can't kill the rclone process
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17:34 < mischief> yea, that happened to me as well
17:35 < mischief> unfortunately i ended up having to power cycle because rebooting hung during fs sync
17:35 < vortexx> it's what I'm doing too
17:36 < vortexx> nextcloud logs are dumping huge chunks of errors over non-existent tokens
17:36 < vortexx> (I've not tried simple nginx webdav, I really should)
17:36 < vortexx> (if it's simple that is)
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17:39 < mischief> it is
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17:39 < mischief> https://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_dav_module.html
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17:43 < vortexx> cheers
17:47 < mischief> note if you're just reading plain http is sufficient
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17:52 < anthk_> cadaver from ports works on dav fine
17:53 < vortexx> anthk_: I need webdav mount, which cadaver doesn't provide (so I can use minidlna with my nextcloud)
17:53 < vortexx> rclone now does this
17:53 < vortexx> or will
17:54 < vortexx> mischief: yeah I'm sure but I have wildcard certs for my domain so https is fine too
17:54 < anthk_> uh I used cadaver against webdav, but not as a mount tool
17:54 < vortexx> right I need to start cooking, bbl
17:55 < vortexx> anthk_: yes I thought you did, cadaver was suggested a few weeks ago, it's basically like an ftp client of old but for webdav from what I saw when trying it out
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17:57 < anthk_> yep, it's like ncftp but for webdav
17:58 < anthk_> rclone has some mount options for caching and the like
17:58 < anthk_> some of them might yield better I/O
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18:17 < bket_> mischief: https://github.com/openbsd/ports/commit/b51954b408a4daadc83ac66c217bc784d7e5e4d8
18:18 < bket_> committed a bit before your msg
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18:32 < mischief> bket: nice! thank you :D
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19:02 < vortexx> thanks a lot bket 
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19:07 < thrig> uzuri: or in too much detail, gemini://thrig.me/blog/2026/02/04/lost-in-translation.gmi
19:12 < uzuri> thrig: d-do i need gemini to open this link?
19:13 < uzuri> when replacing the uri scheme with http it throws 404 :(
19:14 < thrig> there are proxies for gemini, or there are gemini clients such as lagrange
19:16 < mischief> uzuri: printf 'gemini://thrig.me/blog/2026/02/04/lost-in-translation.gmi\r\n' | openssl s_client -quiet -connect thrig.me:1965
19:20 < uzuri> mischief: i giggled, thanks ^^
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19:57 < mischief> hm. is there something like the icecream cone operator for ksh? cat <(echo hello)
19:57 < Bradipo> Not that I'm aware of.
19:57 < Bradipo> Maybe you could use co-processes?
19:57 < uwharrie> echo hello | cat
19:57 < Bradipo> Or that.
19:57 < uzuri> mischief: you mean process substitution? its one of the most bashisms of all time
19:58 < uzuri> but im gonna use ice cone operator from now on
19:58 < Bradipo> To be honest, I've never needed: cat <(echo hello)
19:58 < mischief> it presents a path that a program can read as a file.
19:59 < Bradipo> I looks like it opens a file for reading and connects it to the processes stdin.
19:59 < uwharrie> I use mkfifo(1) when I need to do that
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20:00 < mischief> no, it executes the subprocess and then that subprocess stdout becomes a file the parent can open/read
20:00 < mischief> ex.
20:00 < phy1729> Depending on why you need it, a command substitution in an unquoted heredoc can work
20:00 < mischief> encrypt a message to myself with age
20:00 < mischief> bash -c 'echo hello | age -R <(curl -Lqso - https://github.com/mischief.keys) | age -d -i ~/.ssh/id_ed25519'
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20:01 < mischief> with s/bash/ksh, doesn't work cuz no icecream cone operator :(
20:01 < uwharrie> hence a fifo
20:04 < mischief> i suppose `rm /tmp/x; mkfifo /tmp/x; curl -Lqso - https://github.com/mischief.keys>>/tmp/x & echo hello | age -R /tmp/x | age -d -i ~/.ssh/id_ed25519` works
20:04 < mischief> ksh should get icecream cone though, its far too useful
20:05 < uwharrie> a bit messy, but that's essentially what the <() syntactic sugar is doing behind the scenes
20:06 < mischief> sure, it's just a pipe.
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20:08 < mischief> huh
20:08 < mischief> apparently labs ksh did have it?
20:08 < mischief> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_substitution#History
20:08 < mischief> ah, ksh93 has it
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20:12 < Bradipo> I'm not fond of the <() syntax personally.
20:12 < Bradipo> In fact, I find | to be ultimately superior syntax. :-)
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20:14 < mischief> | is fine but when the program in question needs to access multiple file(descriptor)s, <() is very convenient
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20:18 < mischief> i guess i'll chsh to ksh93 and get on with it
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21:13 < jmcunx> mischief: Note, if you use emacs 'shell' command with ksh93, ksh93 dumps.  Otherwise ksh93 works fine.  Last I tested this was in OpenBSD 7.7 so YMMV.
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21:24 < mischief> jmcunx: i haven't used emacs in nearly 20 years. maybe you could file a bug at https://github.com/ksh93/ksh
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22:27 < vortexx> jmcunx: you mean emacs mode in ksh93 vs vi mode? Or running emacs and invoking a shell in it (I haven't touched emacs in 28 years)
22:27 < vortexx> emacs mode crashing ksh93 would be pretty poor
22:28 < thrig> why not? vi has at least two crashes in it
22:31 < vortexx> does it? how?
22:31 < vortexx> I just use vi because every ancient system has it, whereas emacs is often a package
22:32 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/boom.tcl is one of the crashes
22:33 < vortexx> damn firefox got another update in ports
22:34 < vortexx> thrig: thanks
22:34 < ssm_> I've used vi ed and mg as primary editors for around a year each, and vi is my favorite. being able to invoke shell on motion commands is just too powerful, and some tools like fmt(1) are seemingly designed around this. ed can only insert command output at an address with r !cmd,  mg/emacs doesn't even really have a good analogue for motion commands (^U is cumbersome)
22:35 < ssm_> if ! read addressed lines into a command in ed I might prefer it over vi
22:35 < thrig> ed doesn't have the filters that ex supports
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