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00:44 < mischief> quinq: i usually do `smtpd -dnv` or so in a root shell to diagnose stuff like that. works for most openbsd daemons.
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01:05 < thrig> or check the config before you go for a reload
01:10 < dg> oldlaptop: there's already rcctl -d start ..., which does admittely show a bunch of other debug bits, but you get the command output quite obviously in that
01:11 < dg> oh you did say that, too much join/part spam
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01:23  * oldlaptop miiiiight argue the default should be to print the daemon's stderr (or the last line) if it exits uncleanly - but that is probably not pretty to implement, especially in shell
01:29 < phy1729> You'd have to capture it all which would suck if the daemon is successful
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03:46 < treefrob> I'm running postfix with amavisd/clamd. I need to run some commands as the _vscan user, which is the user used by amavisd and clamd, but cannot because the account does not have a usable shell. It has instead /sbin/nologin. What is the proper solution to this problem?
03:46 < treefrob> In particular, I'm trying to feed spamassasin spam using the 'sa-learn' command, which, I think, should/must run as the user that owns the Bayes DB
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12:44 < treefrob> I'm running postfix with amavisd/clamd. I need to run some commands as the _vscan user, which is the user used by amavisd and clamd, but cannot because the account does not have a usable shell. It has instead /sbin/nologin. What is the proper solution to this problem?
12:44 < treefrob> In particular, I'm trying to feed spamassasin spam using the 'sa-learn' command, which, I think, should/must run as the user that owns the Bayes DB
12:45 < RobbieAB> Don't try and get a new shell when you switch user?
12:45 < treefrob> i'm using "su _vscan -c 'sa-learn <args>'"
12:47 < sibiria> that doesn't look like openbsd su
12:47 < sibiria> -c is login-class iirc
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12:47 < sibiria> another option is to execute as another user/group by chrooting to /
12:47 < RobbieAB> su _vscan -s /bin/ksh 
12:47 < sibiria> chroot -u user -g group / sh -c 'sjosaidjos'
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12:48 < RobbieAB> So you provide the shell to use instead of looking it up. 
12:48 < sibiria> or in your case: chroot -u _vscan / sa-learn <args>
12:49 < sibiria> adjust path as necessary
12:49 < treefrob> ok, I will try that. thanks
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13:38 < szilard> My Dell Latitude 5420 sleeps and hibernates and wakes just fine, however the enclosure stays warm and the battery discharges quickly in suspended mode. Is there anything to find out which device consumes power in sleep mode?
13:40 < IcePic> I think laptops have 4-5-6 different kinds of sleep modes, my guess is that your goes into a very light sleep with most of the stuff actually consuming power 
13:42 < Ove_> I too go into very light sleep mode
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13:53 < treefrob> sibiria, the chroot did the trick. thanks
13:57 < sibiria> glad you solved it
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14:21 < systemdsucks> szilard: intel/microsoft got rid of actual s0 suspend because they want your laptop awake so they can keep spying on you.
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14:41 < szilard> Yes
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14:54 < oldlaptop> presumably there's something windows does to not suck quite as much power in whatever state it does enter, which in principle openbsd could do
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14:56 < oldlaptop> (which is one entry on a very long list of things openbsd could theoretically do to run laptop batteries down slower)
14:57 < RobbieAB> I'm not interested in suspend much to be honest.
14:57 < RobbieAB> Because with modern NVMe, laptops just boot up so fast it really doesn't matter much
14:57 < RobbieAB> Similarly, shutdown seems to be pretty fast.
14:58 < RobbieAB> Better power management while running, on the other hand... Yes, that would be good.
14:58 < oldlaptop> (openbsd on the other hand does not boot up so fast...)
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14:59 < RobbieAB> It's fast enough on my devices where it isn't hamstrung by rubbish hardware.
14:59 < RobbieAB> (The 800MHz geode is slow, but... It's an 800MHz Geode)
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15:00 < oldlaptop> It would be nice if it didn't have to spend double-digit (at least) seconds in blue-prompts before init even starts :P
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15:03 < oldlaptop> and even assuming a cold boot finishes half a second before it starts it can be annoying to log in again, unlock the ssh keys again...
15:04 < oldlaptop> (maybe it makes sense to set xenodm up passwordless, but you're starting to give up something worth having if you leave ssh keys passphrase-less)
15:11 < RobbieAB> But you are happy to leave the keys unlocked in a suspended session?
15:11 < RobbieAB> Your logic here strikes me as faulty.
15:12 < systemdsucks> yours is even worst
15:12 < systemdsucks> I'm just not interested in losing functionality
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15:31 < oldlaptop> RobbieAB: One can easily use suspend mode in contexts where that isn't important, and do a clean shutdown in contexts where it is.
15:32 < oldlaptop> (Just as locking the screen without suspending would be acceptable in some contexts and not others.)
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15:33 < RobbieAB> oldlaptop: On this front I tend towards the absolutist camp: Either you NEVER do it or you accept that you always do it.
15:36 < oldlaptop> Maybe that's appropriate if (say) your machine is more or less always going to be used around untrusted people. It's not so appropriate if half the time it's at home alone with you and the other half it's not - unless your argument is going to be that one builds dangerous habits that way. (That sounds like a more appropriate policy for the sorts of people who call what they do "tradecraft" than for everyone else.)
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15:37 < RobbieAB> Dangerous habits, plus contexts can change with little warning.
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18:52 < skippy8> I have a little problem with swap: When my system is running out of memory, then it doesn't start swapping or swaps only a bit (1-3%) and the it either freezes or fail with this message: panic: kernel diagnostic assertion "pp->pg_flags & PG_BUSY" failed: "/usr/src/sys/uvm/uvm_pager.c", line 265. What could be the problem? Is it common behavior? Or is there any bug related to it?
18:57 < byteskeptical> skippy8: what arch is this? Do you have anything in your sysctl.conf? what size is your swap?
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18:59 < skippy8> amd64 8GB swap
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19:01 < skippy8> Yes, I increased few memory settings, e.g. vfs.ffs.dirhash_maxmem=52428800
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19:02 < thrig> EKNOBSCHANGED
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19:05 < byteskeptical> is this a vm? if so what hypervisor? I meant all of the sysctl not just the ones you think are relavent. Are you using the default partition table?
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19:06 < skippy8> Yes, all the partitions are default, but I "optimized" sysctl for modern apps, e.g. Chrome... Here it is:
19:06 < skippy8> # shared memory limits
19:06 < skippy8> # shm variables are based off RAM amount (scale accordingly)
19:07 < skippy8> kern.shminfo.shmall=6291456
19:07 < skippy8> kern.shminfo.shmmax=2147483647
19:07 < skippy8> kern.shminfo.shmmni=4096
19:07 < skippy8> # semophores
19:07 < skippy8> kern.shminfo.shmseg=2048
19:07 < skippy8> kern.seminfo.semmns=4096
19:07 < systemdsucks> use a fucking paste please
19:07 < skippy8> kern.seminfo.semmni=1024
19:07 < skippy8> kern.maxproc=32768
19:07 < skippy8> kern.maxfiles=65535
19:07 < skippy8> kern.bufcachepercent=90
19:07 < skippy8> kern.maxvnodes=262144
19:07 < skippy8> kern.somaxconn=2048
19:07 < lts> What are you doing
19:07 < skippy8> kern.maxthread=16304
19:07 < skippy8> hw.smt=1
19:07 < skippy8> machdep.allowaperture=1
19:07 < skippy8> kern.audio.record=1
19:07 < skippy8> kern.video.record=1
19:07 < skippy8> # Network update
19:07 < skippy8> net.inet.udp.recvspace=262144
19:07 < skippy8> net.inet.udp.sendspace=262144
19:07 < skippy8> net.inet.icmp.errppslimit=1000
19:07 < skippy8>  
19:07 < skippy8> # increase
19:07 < skippy8> vfs.ffs.dirhash_maxmem=52428800
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19:08 < skippy8> Sorry, too late... :-(
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19:09 < avemestr> skippy8: Read the first comment on this page: https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/exm01m/how_to_calculate_shared_memory_limits_and/
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19:11 < avemestr> skippy8: What's the application that causes this issue?
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19:24 < skippy8> Yes, I understand that "playing with those settings withnout know much what I am doing" is not very smart strategy. For my desktop usage the defaults are a "bit tight" so I try "every trick I can find on the net". The main problem is Chrome. I commonly have it open on 3+ screens with heavy tabs open, which is not difficult in today's age of React, so the browser is constantly at 6+GB of ram usage
19:24 < skippy8> and if I accidentally open few more tabs, then I am over 8GB very easily...
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19:37 < byteskeptical> is the user your running as in the staff group?
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19:42 < Denis> has anybody got a working CARP setup?
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19:47 < byteskeptical> A lot of those settings (I'm assuming from https://www.c0ffee.net/) are dated. You can check your personal usage on these and set them accordingly: file descriptors: fstat|awk '{print $2":pid "$3}'|sort|uniq -c|sort, stack size per process: ps -O ssiz, max files/proc: kern.nprocs, kern.nfiles, max threads: kern.nthreads, kern.maxvnodes, this is raised automatically according to buffer cache use 
19:47 < byteskeptical> (since sys/kern/vfs_subr.c revision 1.188)
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19:48 < byteskeptical> what does ipcs show for chrome memory usage?
19:56 < byteskeptical> Is this machine handling incoming connections? If not raising kern.somaxconn is not needed. Lastly and probably most related to your current issue kern.bufcachepercent should be removed. I would start with a very bare bones sysctl and slowly add things as you see a need based on your usage instead of trying to optimize with a bunch of potentially behavior changing settings.
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19:58 < avemestr> skippy8: As byteskeptical said: First make sure your user is part of staff.
19:58 < byteskeptical> btw with kern.bufcachepercent lower is actually what you want if you want to free memory faster but again start with the defaults before making any changes
19:58 < skippy8> Yes, my user is part of the group staff
19:59 < byteskeptical> group or class?
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20:00 < skippy8> Yes, I will revert it back to the installation defaults and start again slowly adding and testing new settings. I was just thinking that the kernel is a bit more robust and will not end up in a kernel panic state after settings change...
20:01 < skippy8> Both goup and class are staff
20:04 < byteskeptical> the kernel is just using your settings. That's why the advice of not tweaking things without the aforementioned knowledge of what it is doing is always (or should always) be given.
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20:09 < skippy8> Yes, understood. I just thought that it will fail more gracefully...
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20:18 < skippy8> Anyways, thanks a lot for all the suggestions!
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20:23 < byteskeptical> skippy8: no worries, we all want our systems as optimized as possible, go forth and prosper
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20:33 < ssm_> why's there no pc file for ncursesw?
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20:36 < thrig> nobody has written one?
20:38 < ssm_> Guess I'll
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20:47 < mischief> there was a mail on the list recently about it
20:49 < mischief> marc.info seems like it's being scraped by bots atm, so check your inbox for Subject: ncurses: more pkg-config files?
20:50  * oldlaptop is surprised marc.info can still operate at all :(
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20:51 < mischief> ssm_: also, it's already in -current
20:51 < mischief> $ pkg-config --path ncursesw
20:51 < mischief> /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ncursesw.pc
20:52 < ssm_> is it really new? my snapshot is jan 28th
20:53 < oldlaptop> that's already what, like, last week, man?
20:54 < mischief> i think mine is feb 4 so.. maybe?
20:55 < mischief> commit 80c543504ba08cdd6ba4c3a1913ae595d3a879ef
20:55 < mischief> Author: sthen <sthen@openbsd.org>
20:55 < mischief> Date:   Thu Jan 29 16:05:27 2026 +0000
20:55 < mischief>     install pkg-config files for *w variants of ncurses and add-on libraries
20:55 < mischief>     ok tb@
20:56 < ssm_> what are the chances lmao kern.version=OpenBSD 7.8-current (GENERIC.MP) #224: Wed Jan 28 14:30:17 MST 2026 deraadt@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
20:56 < mischief> slacking on your sysupgrade -s
20:57 < ssm_> I usually sit on snapshots for ~2 months
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