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03:35 < caze> <-- OpenBSD 6.6-beta (RAMDISK_CD) #290: Tue Sep 10 23:38:10 MDT 2019
03:35 < caze> 10:35PM  up 2342 days, 19:08, 1 user, load averages: 0.10, 0.03, 0.01
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03:59 < oldlaptop> Missed a snapshot or three there, I guess
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12:31 < vortexx> https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/7.8/common/014_expat.patch.sig another libexpat security patch
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12:46 < vortexx> (if you're using unbound, you need to restart that daemon as it depends on libexpat, as does dbus-daemon & avahi-daemon)
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12:57 < rtj> ok ty
13:02 < vortexx> yw
13:04 < mischief> i'm afraid to know why unbound needs expat
13:05 < mischief> oh >:|
13:05 < mischief> it's only in unbound-anchor?
13:06 < mischief> .. for parsing https://data.iana.org/root-anchors/root-anchors.xml
13:06 < mischief> neat
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13:43 < vortexx> yeah it's nothing major
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13:50 < k0ga> win 8
13:50 < k0ga> ups
13:51 < IcePic> that was not a good windows version, if there ever was one
13:55 < sibiria> 8.1 was excellent
13:56 < sibiria> it was windows 10, before windows 10
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18:19 < ssm_> what permissions do ${PORTSDIR}/packages/$(machine)/cache need? currently it's user and group _pbuild (using PORTS_PRIVSEP) default modes, and trying to build any port results in `install: /usr/ports/packages/amd64/cache/: Operation not permitted` (trying to install the directory even though it already is?)
18:20 < ssm_> tried digging though .mk files but it's a monster
18:20 < ssm_> maybe I need to set PKG_CACHE in mk.conf...
18:20 < phy1729> Does make fix-permissions work?
18:20 < ssm_> no
18:21 < ssm_> I could move everything to all instead of cache, and unset PKG_CACHE everywhere except on pkg_add outside the chroot
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18:29 < vortexx> ssm_: it's this for me: drwxr-xr-x  2 _pfetch  _pfetch    512 Nov 20 21:02 cache
18:30 < vortexx> you've got the wrong owner on the dir
18:30 < vortexx> ( proot should have set all this up for you...)
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18:42 < ssm_> int arresting. I've changed the owner and install doesn't fail, though now the packages are complaining about missing dependencies, regardless of FETCH_PACKAGES being set or not. I think maybe I should point at all instead of cache https://x0.at/wIR2.txt
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18:42 < ssm_> vortexx: I've tried rerunning proot and make fix-permissions in the past to fix this but whatever I'm doing is very not correct to the point they don't
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18:43 < ssm_> and yes I'm chrooted when doing this
18:43 < vortexx> mh weird
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21:34 < vortexx> ssm_: when you say you're chrooted, you're running proot chrooted? I run it from the main system, not the chroot, to set up the chroot. Not sure if I misunderstood there?
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21:56 < ssm_> proot is run outside the chroot. I said I was building the port (IE, running make from a ports subdirectory) inside the chroot
21:56 < ssm_> s/said/meant/
21:58 < vortexx> right
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22:39 < falsifian> Is there a way to read the hardware clock after boot? I'm paying for VM hosting and they always boot with some clock skew; I'd like to confirm my suspicion that the "hardware clock" provided by the hypervisor is off before I file a ticket.
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22:41 < Bradipo> Be careful what you ask for.
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22:43 < Bradipo> I'm not aware of a way to read the "hardware clock" after boot.
22:43 < Bradipo> I had hoped to find something in sysctl hw, but no.
22:43 < Bradipo> There is kern.boottime
22:44 < mischief> you could check clock_gettime vs say ntp
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22:45 < falsifian> I do see the clock getting corrected over the first few minutes after boot.
22:46 < Bradipo> What does "sysctl kern.boottime" reveal?
22:46 < falsifian> Well, right now it says "Tue Feb 10 21:07:03 2026". I guess I could boot the system taking careful note of the actual time of boot, but that seems fiddly.
22:46 < Bradipo> Doesn't OpenBSD output the time when it boots?
22:47 < falsifian> Yes. I guess I should just reboot and watch the console for that.
22:47 < Bradipo> NTP will take a few minutes before it starts to synchronize, I think.
22:47 < Bradipo> But you really think that the VM will drift that far with a single reboot?
22:47 < falsifian> I think the VM is persistently off, and my VM corrects the time each time it boots.
22:47 < falsifian> I mean the hypervisor is off
22:47 < Bradipo> Right.
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22:49 < Bradipo> You could put: rdate -p -n pool.ntp.org
22:50 < Bradipo> In rc.local and see what it produces.
22:50 < Bradipo> Then compare it to the date that rc produces when it finshes booting.
22:50 < Bradipo> That will be less "fiddly"
22:51 < Bradipo> You could also put: sysctl kern.boottime
22:51 < Bradipo> All of those should be output before NTP starts adjusting the clock, I should hope.
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23:02 < unpx> What are good server setup to use OpenBSD? I see that OpenBSD works perfecly when you run pizza boxes, but once you move everything to a single computer you need to have linux and some virtualization
23:04 < Bradipo> What's a "pizza box" vs "single computer" ?
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23:06 < uwharrie> and why would either necessitate Linux or VMs?
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23:10 < mischief> you can probably find many interesting hw to run openbsd on at https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/dmesgd?do=index&fts=OpenBSD
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23:15 < mischief> this looks like a fairly beastly machine https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/dmesgd?do=view&id=8646
23:15 < mischief> ryzen 9950x3d, 128G ram, intel e810 2x25G nic
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23:17 < deimosBSD> wait until you see my other machines there
23:21 < deimosBSD> also, thank diety for Mischa
23:21 < deimosBSD> 245 machines
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23:26 < unpx> uwharrie: KVM on top of Linux. Because vmd(1) still has 1 cpu for each vm and it is painful to use in general
23:27 < ssm_> concurrency is evil
23:27 < ssm_> concurrency for x86 vms is Extra Evil
23:27 < ssm_> consider pubnix chroots :>
23:30 < uwharrie> if you have a hard requirement for MP VMs, sure
23:31 < sibiria> seems pretty basic these days tbh
23:31 < unpx> uwharrie: having 8cpus and wasting 7 of them because of vmd is not optimal... But I guess I could also setup multiple vms. Still, not sure how to run encrypted vms in a sane way
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23:36 < sibiria> enable SEV/SEVES, keep disk images on encrypted storage
23:37 < sibiria> it's gonna be slow. openbsd really isn't an ideal VM host yet
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23:39 < unpx> I used OpenBSD as host for three years, with an encrypted disk that needs to be mounted after boot and vmd running a vm from that encrypted disk
23:40 < sibiria> same
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23:44 < unpx> sibiria: tried to move to Proxmox. Found a way to get up and running while thinking about the encryption thing, but it looks like it is just not fitting
23:45 < ssm_> Proxmox has the name of AnnoyingToConfigureware
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23:45 < unpx> It makes me think I should go back to pizza boxes: openbsd host, multiple vms for various services based on "importance"
23:46 < ssm_> openbsd has qemu, but it's very slow, even without emulation
23:46 < unpx> ssm_: I don't see any difference between proxmox and debian + virt-manager
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23:54 < ssm_> one doesn't have debian
23:55 < unpx> ssm_: ?
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23:58 < mischief> qemu tcg is indeed very slow
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23:59 < ssm_> you get your wonderful Concurrency_TM though!
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