--- Log opened Wed Feb 11 00:00:00 2026
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00:01 < mischief> going nowhere slowly, but in parallel.. right :)
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00:05 < mischief> just checked, about 7m30s to boot openbsd to root: prompt using qemu-tcg on my poky risc-v machine
00:05 < mischief> i wish the kvm worked, but it doesn't atm for openbsd :/
00:06 < deimosBSD> I saw the presentation on vm with sev/snp, but haven't had time to actually test it out
00:06 < deimosBSD> if i could build an entire vm inside the TEE on openbsd, that would solve my linux problem
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01:00 < Bradipo> manual OpenBSD upgrades are always so fun.
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01:18 < ssm_> future(hot take openbsd never should have threaded vmm) past(hot take openbsd never should have added dri/drm hot take openbsd never should implemented clang or gcc should have used tcc at the very most and tcc is still huge hot take openbsd never should have implemented smp hot take openbsd should be rewritten in forth)
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01:46 < rtj> no love for holyc?
01:49 < ssm_> I'll meet in the middle at 8c
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01:53 < thrig> forth are sometimes threaded
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06:19 < cgnarne> ssm_: 8c i can work with. let's rewrite OpenBSD in Plan9
06:20 < rkta> Does someone know of a shell utility to convert ip ranges like 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.255 to CIDR notation?
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06:21 < mischief> rkta: try `ipcalc`, it is packaged in openbsd
06:22 < mischief> fugu# ipcalc -r 192.168.1.0 : 192.168.1.255
06:22 < mischief> 192.168.1.0/24
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06:23 < rkta> mischief: nice, exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
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09:57 < rIMpossible> Hello.
09:58 < rIMpossible> I want to automate syspatches on the non-permanent running clients
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09:59 < rIMpossible> I would like to check for syspatches (and maybe pkg updates) in /etc/rc.securelevel or /etc/rc.local. What is best practice? I need also take in consideration to reboot, if a patch recommends this. Any ideas?
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10:01 < IcePic> rIMpossible: perhaps it would be more suitable to check during rc.shutdown?
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10:03 < mischief> what about syspatch && reboot in root's crontab
10:03 < IcePic> I'm just thinking that networking might not be up by securelevel time, and at rc.local time, kernel relinking is being done, so if you DL and reboot then you are sort of sure to break that relink (which is fine, but lots of cpu spent on nothing during that start), so if people use their boxes for 5+ minutes and at least once a week or so, then they would not be doing lots of work when shutdown script runs 
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10:03 < IcePic> presumably, and it would have the files DLed by syspatch or sysupgrade just before stopping, like winders does with the "update and shutoff" menu selection when you have lingering reboots to be done
10:04 < rIMpossible> IcePic: but then, if a client is like one week off, it would start un-updated ;)
10:04 < IcePic> rIMpossible: yes
10:04 < mischief> or perhaps echo reboot | at + 5 min if you want to let mail from cron and shit happen without reboot interfering
10:05 < IcePic> which it still would in the rc.local case, only that it would be vulnerable for a shorter period, but the period would still be there
10:05 < mischief> IcePic: you actually can't syspatch during kernel reorder, it checks for this
10:06 < IcePic> mischief: oh, neat
10:06 < rIMpossible> IcePic: I thought also about the kernel relinking, what takes on the different clients, different time
10:06 < rtj> I've already learned something new today. Thank you mischief!
10:07 < IcePic> I'm sort of reflecting a bit on the 2000s MELISSA, ILOVEYOU, slammer and nimda virus storms of their time, for which the windows update that fixed them was something like 6 months old, but people never updated so it spread like crazy.
10:07 < mischief> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/usr.sbin/syspatch/syspatch.sh#L286
10:07 < rIMpossible> mischief: yeah, on one of my machines I tapped twice in that trap. While ld and ctfconv where still running for the KRL
10:08 < rIMpossible> IcePic: yeah, but don't compare Win$ with OpenBSD, sorry
10:09 < IcePic> rIMpossible: I'm just saying that the problem was not zero-days exploits vs "not patched in 12h", it was gazillions of computers that NEVER updated, and half a year later they become a botnet of infestation
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10:12 < mischief> a funny check, you can lock out syspatch as an unprivileged user
10:12 < rIMpossible> IcePic: I am exaggerating safety ;) This is, why I am on OpenBSD, though still using Android (will change this year to GrapheneOS) :)
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10:13 < mischief> www$ id; /bin/ksh /tmp/reorder_kernel
10:13 < mischief> uid=1000(mischief) gid=1000(mischief) groups=1000(mischief), 0(wheel), 1(daemon)
10:13 < mischief> www$ doas syspatch
10:13 < mischief> syspatch: cannot apply patches while reorder_kernel is running
10:14 < rIMpossible> mischief: This is where I run into, twice. On a slower client
10:14 < rIMpossible> mischief: But priviledged
10:14 < mischief> sure.. but here /tmp/reorder kernel is just sleep 9999999 :-)
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10:19 < rIMpossible> mischief: Ahh, I see
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10:23 < rIMpossible> There is a command in packages, what can do missed cronjobs. What is its name? I don't believe, there is anything comparable in base?!
10:25 < IcePic> anacron ?
10:25 < rIMpossible> IcePic: thank you, yes that is
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10:27 < rIMpossible> I'll do it with this. Thought there is a solution to make with base. The required reboot with some patches, should execute, too. Without requiring the user to interact. I know, that this is still difficult with FDE ;)
10:30 < rIMpossible> The last point could be circumvented (to limit and lower downtime) to send an email to the root user, that a patch needs a reboot (for 24x7 servers only)
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10:39 < mischief> i sent a patch
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11:21 < vortexx> that's quite the find mischief 
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11:25 < mischief> to be fair rc.subr rc_check doesn't try to filter uid either
11:25 < mischief> though that's more complicated
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11:29 < IcePic> nice diff
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11:31 < mischief> are you being facetious or no
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11:34 < mischief> i ask because my other change for relayd on bugs@ was not responded to, nor my question about pf(4), and i'm unsure why
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11:35 < IcePic> mischief: sorry, I really did like it, it was simple, does what needs to be done, and it doesn't care about if root is trolling syspatch for some reason
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11:39 < mischief> no point defending against root
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11:56 < vortexx> none indeed, if root has been achieved, it's game over
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12:01 < mischief> i try to dabble in security, and i used to run a (very small) openbsd shell server, so this sort of thing stands out to me even if most are running single user systems
12:02 < mischief> hopefully replies tomorrow. good night
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13:41 < PyR3X> anyone willing to give this port a shot and leave feedback on mailing list? https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=177064559003027&w=2
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13:59 < phy1729> mischief: How'd you find that?
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14:37 < vortexx> PyR3X: I'll give it a go, give me a minute
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15:02 < vortexx> I checked out the cvs for ports ( cvs -d anoncvs@ftp.fr.openbsd.org:/cvs -q checkout -P ports ) but there's no misc/hmdm-server
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15:03 < vortexx> oh I just needed to download the tgz
15:03 < vortexx> sorry
15:03 < phy1729> I don't see hmdm in the logs or any dir starting with hmdm
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15:10 < PyR3X> Its a tomcat app so you'll need to follow my readme there 
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15:13 < vortexx> will do
15:13 < vortexx> installing dependencies, the port builds fine
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15:34 < vortexx> PyR3X: those psql lines aren't working for some reason (I'm not a db admin). I've used the syntax from the zabbix-server pkg-readme instead: createuser -U postgres --pwprompt --no-superuser --createdb --no-createrole hmdm_user
15:34 < vortexx> createdb -U hmdm_user hmdm
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15:37 < vortexx> PyR3X: success, I get the login screen (using pf to forward port 80 to 8080
15:37 < vortexx> )
15:38 < vortexx> phy1729: the tgz was attached to the ports@ mail PyR3X linked to
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15:45 < vortexx> PyR3X: I think you're missing USER in the line " CREATE hmdm_user WITH PASSWORD 'secret'; " . Should be " CREATE USER hmdm_user WITH PASSWORD 'secret'; "?
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15:45 < vortexx> I think createuser & createdb would be preferable anyway
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16:06 < vortexx> PyR3X: also adding that the default user/password for h-mdm is admin/admin to the pkg-readme would be good too
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16:13 < PyR3X> Awesome want to throw that feedback on mailing list? I'll fix the readme. Glad it worked 
16:14 < vortexx> will do
16:15 < vortexx> I only tried the pf redirect btw, not relayd/nginx
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16:24 < vortexx> email sent
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16:27 < seninha> hi, how can i get RAM speed in MHz? i could not find any relevant value in sysctl
16:30 < vortexx> seninha: there was an email to misc@ about that just today, the answer was sysutils/dmidecode
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16:46 < ssm_> seninha: check dmesg for spdmem(4)
16:46 < ssm_> spdmem0 at iic3 addr 0x50: 16GB DDR4 SDRAM PC4-25600 SO-DIMM
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16:47 < thrig> but can your RAM make the kessel run in less than 8GB
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16:48 < ssm_> I don't know if speed is known by this driver but it's the only place I know to look
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16:50 < ssm_> oh I think PC4-25600 is DDR4 3200. so divide by 8
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17:11 < seninha> ssm_, thanks; that works. I did not know about the PC3-XXXXX nomenclature
17:12 < seninha> had to check wikipedia
17:13 < ssm_> scripting off dmesg is a mistake, since it can be clobbered by output, and not even a very large amount
17:13 < ssm_> so you'll want to learn how to grab values from the driver
17:14 < vortexx> my APU6 dmesg doesn't have spdmem for some reaspon
17:14 < vortexx> s/reaspon/reason
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18:12 < PyR3X> vortexx: thanks again for testing that -- I updated the README
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18:49 < vortexx> PyR3X: you're welcome! I answered on list too
18:49 < vortexx> mdm is something I needed, glad you ported that
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19:32 < PyR3X> yeah I got tired of being hands tech support for family.. now I'll just push certs/apps/configs etc.. this is for Android only though..I worked with them upstream to remove aapt and other stuff that made it a pain to port to openbsd
19:34 < mischief> phy1729: how did i find what
19:34 < phy1729> that an unprivliged user can hang sysupgrade
19:35 < phy1729> er syspatch
19:37 < mischief> it doesn't hang, it will just exit. i was just rereading the shell script after rIMpossible/IcePic reminded me that reorder_kernel, and realized there's no uid check on pgrep
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19:38 < mischief> that reorder_kernel stops sysupgrade*
19:38  * mischief not coffee yet
19:39 < phy1729> Ok thought you somehow ran into the issue
19:43 < mischief> certainly a bit of an edge case
19:44 < mischief> for reasons i don't understand the pgrep does not match this and block itself, for example
19:44 < mischief> doas /bin/ksh -c "echo running syspatch which might reorder_kernel; syspatch"
19:45 < mischief> oh, i guess because of pgrep's -x argument
19:46 < mischief> this will block itself :) doas /bin/ksh -c "syspatch; echo reorder_kernel"
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20:08 < vortexx> PyR3X: yeah I read the messages on marc.info, it had a lot of ubuntu tied things. Glad you were able to convince upstream to remove the stuff that prevented portability
20:08 < vortexx> I too have family mdm duties so this is going to be useful
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20:08 < vortexx> need to spend some time getting familiar with it
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