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07:32 < calciume> I think I'm too stupid for relayd, its been a couple days of trying to make it work and I just cant wrap my head around it
07:35 < mischief> the config dsl certainly has some .. odd design choices
07:39 < calciume> I was able to figure out httpd and acme-client configs but not relayd...I got a book about httpd and relayd but it seems to focus mostly on load balancing which doesn't matter much to me.
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07:41 < calciume> I'm more trying to use relayd as a reverse proxy with TLS
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07:55 < mischief> calciume: this is a very cut down copy of my relayd for tls termination http://p.offblast.org/dncsoczy
07:57 < calciume> Something that really confuses me is how having multiple forward directives in a single relay or protocol works...
07:58 < calciume> and like...if there is a forward in the protocol why does there need to be a forward in the relay too?
08:01 < quinq> calciume, I had kind of the same issue and as400 gave me https://2023.eurobsdcon.org/slides/eurobsdcon2023-joel_carnat-relayd.pdf
08:01 < quinq> It help
08:01 < quinq> *ed me
08:01 < quinq> Though you have the book already, maybe it won't for you
08:04 < mischief> calciume: yea, the syntax of the config is not very intuitive
08:04 < calciume> like I said with the book, it focuses on a subset of relayd's feature set that doesnt help me but I will check this out :)
08:05 < quinq> calciume, manpage says for the forward t table “This directive can be specified twice - the second entry will be used as the backup table if all hosts in the main table are down.”
08:07 < mischief> quinq: calciume is pondering the forward directive in the protocol block, not multiple forward in the relay block
08:08 < quinq> mischief, now you totally lost me :D
08:08 < calciume> I've never missed Caddy more than I do now lol but I'm trying to stick with the base system
08:11 < pukkamustard> i also had some trouble understanding relayd syntax. is it possible to selectively change url of a HTTP request based on a HTTP header?
08:12 < quinq> What's obvious is that we need to open a relayd therapy channel
08:13 < pukkamustard> yeah :)
08:13 < pukkamustard> i'd like to do something like: match request url "example.com/" header "Accept-language" value "de" url set "example.com/index-de.html"
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08:17 < calciume> my 50 line relayd.conf file is like 5 lines in caddy ;-;
08:18 < quinq> pukkamustard, doesn't that work?
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08:22 < pukkamustard> nope, i get the message "combining url type and the given operation is not supported"
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08:24 < quinq> oh :(
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08:26 < quinq> Maybe you could have several steps with tagging
08:28 < pukkamustard> yep, trying that now. but i don't understand why the `url set ...` is not supported - at least i don't think its documented
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08:48 < amnesiac> Hi guys. Why this happens when patching with syspatch ? https://pastebin.com/JK4NbZAH
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08:58 < mischief> amnesiac: maybe an old system you forgot to sysmerge on?
09:02 < pukkamustard> still no luck. interestingly, relayd seems to accept a "path set ..." or "path append ...." but doesn't do anything.
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09:41 < amnesiac> mischief, it was upgraded previously with sysupgrade and says it's 7.8 to uname
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09:42 < mischief> afaik _fc-cache was added in 7.8, so something is missing from your upgrade
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10:02 < supaman> interesting, when doing a for loop like, for i in /home/user/Music/artist/album/*; do ffplay -nodisplay $i; done, then when the song finishes it ffplay doesnt quit, it keeps going on playing the same file with no sound, doesn't progress in the for loop
10:02 < supaman> I have to switch to the console that the command is running on and do a ctrl-c
10:03 < supaman> is this by design or a bug?
10:04 < IcePic> * is prone to cause confusion on songs with spaces (and possibly other chars shells think are special)
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10:04 < IcePic> even if it works for the "for i in *" case, the spaced words causes confusion when $i is bare without "" around
10:05 < IcePic> apart from if ffplay is weird or not, you'd be better off with something like "find /home/user/Music/artist/album/ -type f -exec ffplay {} \;"
10:05 < IcePic> (with -nodisplay there too, missed it)
10:05 < supaman> IcePic: the sound files are of the format Music/neil_young/harvest_moon/04-harvest_moon.ogg
10:06 < supaman> no spaces
10:06 < IcePic> better to get used to handling spaces even if some situations don't require it
10:07 < supaman> yup
10:08 < supaman> doesn't explain this behaviour though that I am seeing now does it?
10:08 < supaman> only using ffplay since that seems to be the only command line player that is installed by default
10:09 < supaman> recommend any others?
10:09 < supaman> wonder if mplayer is still in developement
10:09 < IcePic> online manpage for ffplay seems focused on movies, but -loop 1 or -autoexit might fix it
10:10 < supaman> ahh, ok, will try that, thanks :-)
10:11 < IcePic> also the "for i in /path/to/dir/*" would miss a song if (for whatever stupid reason) it is named .filename.mp3
10:11 < supaman> right
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11:05 < supaman> IcePic: the -autoexit works perfectly, thanks :-)
11:09  * sonya uses 'mpv' for almost all audio/video and 'ffmpeg' for streams identification within a/v containers..
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11:43 < replooda> supaman: mplayer lives... in mpv, the fork sonya mentioned.
11:46 < supaman> ahh, thanks ... should shift over to that
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12:01 < mokkurkalve> mpv are the mediaplayer of all things in 2026. If you'll ever need a GUI for it there's the Qt-based smplayer. 
12:06 < mokkurkalve> for a ncurses based music-only player, cmus are in ports.
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12:07 < mokkurkalve> There are probably many more options.
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13:20 < bleb> does anyone use openbsd for a nas?
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13:20 < sibiria> i do, sort of
13:20 < bleb> I wonder if there are common / established solutions for detecting bitrot on top of a filesystem that doesn't
13:21 < bleb> like you could have a cron job that periodically checksums every file
13:22 < bleb> managing this above the filesystem level would also give more flexibility for how you manage redundancy, i.e. some copies of data could be on remote hosts or external drives that are usually powered down
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13:23 < bleb> if I build this myself with some janky shell scripts there will invariably be things I didn't think of
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13:24 < sibiria> i don't do any of that. i have full faith in HDD storage. if i were worried, i think i'd just go for a RAID level with parity
13:25 < sibiria> RAID 6, probably
13:25 < sibiria> unfortunately not available in openbsd
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13:47 < ssm_> all useful raid disciplines: 1
13:47 < ssm_> thanks for coming to my ted talk
13:47 < sibiria> C is pretty decent, too
13:48 < oldlaptop> RAID0 is pretty useful for decreasing reliability and availability
13:48 < sibiria> re: OpEnBsD cUsToM rAiD LeVeL
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13:48 < sibiria> yep. we shouldn't disparage against speed demons. oldlaptop++
13:51 < oldlaptop> Inter-DEpendent Array of Disks
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15:00 < ssm_> s/s//
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15:05 < thrig> s/s// golfs to (in vi) s/s
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16:04 < quinq> Relinking to create unique kernel...
16:04 < quinq> /usr: write failed, file system is full
16:04 < quinq>  done; reboot to load the new kernel
16:04 < quinq> Should I trust the order?
16:05 < uwharrie> trust what order?
16:07 < quinq> To reboot
16:07 < sonya> quinq: $ ls -lai /{bsd,bsd.booted}  - check size and date
16:07 < uwharrie> what's not to trust about it?
16:07 < quinq> That creating a new kernel just failed
16:08 < uwharrie> those are two separate pieces of information
16:08 < quinq> But related to the same action
16:09 < uwharrie> a new kernel was installed and you need to reboot to use it, it just won't be uniquely/randomly ordered
16:09 < quinq> Well, that's far from being the on-screen message ^^
16:09 < uwharrie> that's exactly what the messages say
16:09 < quinq> Absolutely not :D
16:10 < quinq> Maybe that's how you interpret it though
16:12 < quinq> sonya, date is from today, but size is smaller than the booted one
16:15 < sibiria> but how much smaller?
16:17 < sibiria> it will change some 20-30 KiB back and forth because of alignments changing, even when relinking the same set of object files
16:17 < quinq> Around 1MB
16:18 < sibiria> 1 MB sounds a lot more than the natural variation
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16:18 < quinq> Hummm, I suppose it's expected
16:18 < quinq> I rebooted anyway
16:19 < quinq> now the booted is smaller than the bsd
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16:23 < uwharrie> I just had to delete my /usr/X11R6 disk slice and grow /usr into the free space so relinking would work again after an upgrade to 7.8
16:24 < sibiria> PSA: /usr/X11R6 doesn't need its own file system, because it shares FS options with /usr. it's only of interest if you, on the same system, compile Xenocara
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17:15 < deimosBSD> is there a tool or helper utility for specifying what pledge/unveil should allow in a codebase? right now, i'm doing a loop of pledge/unveil with less and less access; build; test; repeat
17:16 < IcePic> deimosBSD: no
17:16 < IcePic> I think that is deliberate, since you are not meant to "try a few runs and see what it complains about" but rather understand the code, move init early and set limits after that
17:18 < deimosBSD> fwiw, it's my codebase. i'm just trying to figure out what are the minimum it'll ever need in practice vs the state in my head
17:18 < IcePic> its no fun if you try to secure an sql db or something, test it for three days and then start running with the new harness in place, then comes the weekend with full dumps in the DB and it can't do backups and you're worse off than before
17:19 < deimosBSD> indeed that sounds no fun
17:19 < IcePic> ..which is somewhat what happens when people try "audit2allow" for selinux and apparmor on linux, you test a few runs, hope you have covered all usecases and then fail at a later time
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17:26 < IcePic> programs which allow plugins and things like that are super hard to test thoroughly
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17:38 < thrig> probably among the reasons why systrace got tossed
17:38 < thrig> also x11 programs are tricky as they'll run a font reconfig rarely probably not while you're testing pledge
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20:03 < hmj6502> trying to use openbsd on a eee pc, but i can't get it to connect to the net no matter what. ifconfig output for lii0 shows "status: no carrier" no matter what i do, and im plugging in the ethernet cable as hard as i can into the laptop. not sure what else to do? my hostname.lii0: inet autoconf.
20:06 < izder456> try # dhcpleasectl lii0
20:06 < izder456> it sounds like you're not getting a dhcp address
20:07 < hmj6502> i mean i ran /etc/netstart a bunch of times to no avail, it should do that... and doing that just shows it loading (i.e. a full stop shows up every couple seconds) until it says "lii0 [Down]" (i set lii0 up before that)
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20:08 < hmj6502> ifconfig lii0:
20:08 < hmj6502> lii0: flags=808843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST,AUTOCONF4> mtu 1500
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20:09 < izder456> is it a bad ethernet cable? possibly it wore out?
20:09 < izder456> try a different cable ig
20:10 < hmj6502> also, can't connect via wireless because despite using ath driver, dmesg shows: "ath0: unable to reset hardware; hal status 0"
20:10 < hmj6502> i've tried two cables, that i confirmed work on a device right next to it
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20:10 < hmj6502> i get leds flashing on the router the second i plug that ethernet cable on the other device (also running openbsd)
20:10 < hmj6502> but no leds flashing when i connect it to the eeepc
20:11 < hmj6502> i suspect that maybe the ethernet cables are not fitting in the port because it never "clicks"?
20:11 < izder456> is this amd64 or i386 OpenBSD
20:11 < hmj6502> but im pushing it with max force
20:11 < hmj6502> i386
20:11 < hmj6502> eeepc is oldddd
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20:12 < izder456> i've had some issues with old i386 laptops and some NICs. i have a cardbus wireless adapter that also uses ath0 that has the same bug, though it results in an immediate kernel panic after
20:12 < hmj6502> OpenBSD eeep 7.8 GENERIC#113 i386
20:12 < hmj6502> eesh
20:12 < hmj6502> i wonder why ethernet wont work tho
20:12 < hmj6502> :(
20:12 < hmj6502> incidentally i didn't test the ethernet on linux so idk if this is openbsd specific...
20:12 < izder456> do you have some usb wireless or ethernet adapter?
20:12 < hmj6502> but ik the wireless worked on linux
20:13 < hmj6502> i think i have a usb wifi adapter, i was about to look for it
20:13 < izder456> try that, and grab the lastest syspatch erratas and reboot. report back if that fixes it.
20:13 < izder456> i suspect maybe some errata fixed it? dunno
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20:14 < hmj6502> i dont remember any erratas addressing networking but i could just misremember
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20:14 < hmj6502> got the wifi adapter... let's see if it works
20:14 < izder456> oh yeah i don't see any in syspatch -l
20:14 < sonya> i'd suggest to set static ip and look at 'ping' to the router/gateway/neighbour.. though 'no carrier' means some failure in initial setup/negitiation
20:14 < hmj6502> yep, i tried exactly what you said, it's defo something earlier than that
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20:15 < hmj6502> the usb device uses mtw driver, so needs firmware -_-
20:16 < hmj6502> i'll see if i have a spare storage device...
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20:27 < hmj6502> YAY
20:27 < hmj6502> got it working
20:27 < hmj6502> with the wifi adapter
20:27 < hmj6502> just downloaded the firmware, and did some ifconfig and yep it works
20:27 < izder456> good good. now try and grab syspatch erratas
20:28 < hmj6502> now to figure out what's up with ethernet and ath0...
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20:47 < hmj6502> yeah... ethernet still doesn't work :?
20:47 < hmj6502> *:/
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20:52 < mischief> 1. share a dmesg 2. boot linux and check
20:53 < mischief> lately i've been finding https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html very useful, where you can throw openbsd+ubuntu+ipxe on a usb stick and boot any of them
20:53 < hmj6502> will do, but ventoy gave me trouble on this computer, not sure why
20:53 < hmj6502> but flashing is fast enough
20:54 < mischief> as a bonus i also like that you can chainload ventoy ipxe into https://netboot.xyz/ and boot like 50 different things to installer or ramdisk :)
20:54 < rtj> This one is a lot more slim compared to Ventoy. Less options though. https://github.com/thias/glim
20:55 < rtj> That's a slick idea mischief thank you.
20:55 < hmj6502> can't use ipxe if my ethernet is not working xD
20:55 < hmj6502> anyways back to linux...
20:55 < mischief> if it doesn't work in ipxe either then it's not an openbsd problem, don't you think
20:55  * rtj prays for hmj6502 
20:57 < hmj6502> tyy
20:57 < hmj6502> waiting to flash now...
20:57 < hmj6502> antix my goat
20:58 < hmj6502> i got this eeepc in pristine condition, so i'm screwing around with it and see what it can do. on a quest to install every os i can think of on it
20:58 < hmj6502> pretty surreal to see basically ancient hardware in original packaging as if its new
21:06 < hmj6502> oh! leds blinking while linux is booting
21:08 < hmj6502> https://paste.c-net.org/ScratchTelegram
21:08 < hmj6502> dmesg
21:08 < hmj6502> ethernet is working on linux
21:08 < hmj6502> so the issue is defo openbsd
21:09 < hmj6502> nothing odd about lii driver in dmesg, nothing that i can tell, but i could be wrong
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21:49 < hmj6502> it seems my atheros device isn't even supported, it shows up as AR5424, which isn't in ath man page
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21:59 < mischief> i had an eee pc years ago, can't remember if i ever ran openbsd. i did run debian though
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22:06 < hmj6502> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=126437914024661&w=2
22:07 < hmj6502> found this thread, seems that getting it to work IS possible... i've never worked with any OS code, but i'm pretty proefficient with C
22:08 < hmj6502> maybe i should try give it a shot, any pointers on what i need to know to work on the code? looking at the thread, it seems mainly that they're trying to copy netbsd and linux code and adapt it to openbsd
22:09 < humm> here’s a pointer for you: 0xdeadcafe
22:10 < hmj6502> xD
22:10 < hmj6502> real funny
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22:33 < hmj6502> what's odd is that hw.model=Intel (R) Celeron(R) M processor 900Mhz, but hw.cpuspeed=631, despite using apm -H
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22:37 < mischief> you might consider a bios update, if you can find one that is
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22:38 < hmj6502> oop maybe
22:38 < hmj6502> it's running a 2008 bios atm
22:39 < hmj6502> https://www.asus.com/us/supportonly/eee%20pc%204gxp%20(eee%20pc%204g%20-%20x)/helpdesk_bios/
22:39 < hmj6502> there seems to be a 2009 bios, not a major thing tho
22:40 < hmj6502> i wonder how i'd install it, it's just a rom
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22:41 < mischief> > Update EC Firmware
22:41 < mischief> the ec might be involved in cpu frequency control?
22:41 < mischief> not much of an acpi expert
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22:42 < hmj6502> neither, but that makes sense
22:42 < mischief> i updated the bios on my a485 and it actually fixed the vmd timer problem i was having a while ago, where vm's clock would advance like 10-20 seconds per second
22:42 < hmj6502> given that apm can control the frequency and all
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22:43 < hmj6502> ooo
22:43 < hmj6502> random
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