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00:31 < rtj> I just noticed my dmac broke after switching dns. Sorry for bounces if so on da list's. -_-
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01:25 < dg> hmjsp: spf is dns records, not part of smtpd.conf, but many providers are happy with dkim OR spf (dmarc config can vary that, sometimes), or some scoring system where both gets you more points
01:26 < dg> hmjsp: so basically look at your new domain's dns records (spf, dkim, dmarc), potentially also PTR on the IP...
01:27  * oldlaptop has not yet heard hard evidence that sacrificing chickens makes any difference
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02:04 < ssm_> just set up all 3 to be safe, despite the reputation I didn't find it hard at all
02:05 < ssm_> you add some records and then used the dkimsign port to filter relayed or outbound mail
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02:14 < noob_> I can't eem to get my clickpad working 
02:14 < noob_> https://pastebin.com/GGkJrw9M
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05:15 < hmjsp> dg: yeah, but since i copied my old dns records exactly to my other domain, i'm not sure why else it would fail, and only on one specific email to send to? i was able to sub to mailing lists, send mail to my "normal" emails (albeit, getting marked as junk), etc
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05:16 < dg> spf can reference other records via include: or something, maybe the record is malformed somehow now?
05:16 < dg> try an spf checker maybe, rather than the full email test
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05:22 < cgnarne> noob_: you have 2 wsmouse devices, why did you try to use ihidev0?
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06:09 < cgnarne> i can't remember if i ever had to write a xorg.conf for OpenBSD
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06:30 < noob_> Please anyone?
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06:50 < cgnarne> wdym by "not working"? did you try without the xorg.conf? what are the contents of the Xorg log file in /var/log?
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07:13 < noob_> synclient returns
07:13 < noob_> Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?
07:13 < noob_> Any solutions?
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08:35 < hmjsp> dg: https://mxtoolbox.com/spf.aspx
08:36 < hmjsp> this website shows that everything is okay
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08:47 < hmjsp> also using this: https://mxtoolbox.com/deliverability email checker works, idk what was up with that other website... it used to work not that long ago. oh well
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13:24 < sjk> Hi! If my installurl mirror contain syspatch updates (015 and 016) for my 7.8 system, but running "syspatch" as root just returns 2 (and thus not pulling any updates), what am I doing wrong?
13:25 < Lucas_> sjk: syspatch -l says 015 and 016 are installed?
13:26 < sjk> Lucas_: no, it only goes up to 014
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13:28 < Lucas_> can you share the contents of the whole /etc/installurl file?
13:30 < sjk> Yes. I have this issue on two systems. Here's one: https://termbin.com/73py
13:30 < sibiria> give ftp.eu.openbsd.org a try
13:30 < sibiria> bona fide european mirror
13:30 < sjk> And the other: https://termbin.com/yr6p
13:32 < sjk> sibiria: tried putting https://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/ in there instead, but same deal
13:33 < sibiria> i wonder if you're out of space somewhere. how large is /tmp and what's available there?
13:33 < sibiria> what about /var?
13:34 < sjk> Ah! You are right
13:34 < sjk> tmp is almost out of space. And /usr/src too
13:35 < sjk> no wait
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13:36 < sjk> Completely read this wrong, lol. 
13:36 < sibiria> i keep /tmp at 300mb these days after running into some patch that refused on 50-60 mb of free space in /tmp
13:36 < sjk> I have plenty of space
13:36 < sjk> sorry!
13:37 < sjk> https://termbin.com/tw7b
13:37 < sibiria> are there any leftovers for patch 15 and 16 in /var/syspatch?
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13:37 < sibiria> and, have you reconfigured your kernel?
13:38 < sjk> no, only 001-014 in /var/syspatch and stock kernel
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13:41 < sjk> Tried reverting all patches with syspatch -R and redoing them, but still only 014 
13:41 < sibiria> and it says nothing, just returns to the prompt with return code 2?
13:41 < Lucas_> can you run `doas ksh -x /usr/sbin/sysupgrade` and share the output?
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13:42 < gipa> sjk: had the same issue. Switch to the main mirror (ftp.openbsd.org) worked for me
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13:43 < Lucas_> oh, that's it
13:43 < Lucas_> sjk: https://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/OpenBSD/syspatch/7.8/amd64/SHA256.sig
13:43 < Lucas_> that file is wrong
13:43 < sibiria> return code 2 without any output means nothing applicable found
13:43 < Lucas_> that's from where syspatch gets the "index" for applicable erratas
13:44 < sjk> So the mirrors are out of sync?
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13:44 < Lucas_> https://www.mirrorservice.org/pub/OpenBSD/syspatch/7.8/amd64/ also holds a SHA256.sig from feb 8, much like the other mirror that is desynced
13:44 < Lucas_> yep, that mirror is partially desynced
13:44 < Lucas_> it's missing the right SHA256.sig file
13:45 < sjk> So much for wanting to use localish mirrors :)
13:46 < sjk> But hmm, even ftp.eu.openbsd.org didn't work
13:46 < sibiria> yeah that's odd, it doesn't have the patches yet
13:46 < sibiria> has been more than 24 hours since they were released i think
13:47 < sibiria> days, in fact
13:47 < sibiria> ^ IcePic
13:47 < sjk> I mean, it has the .tgzs, just not the SHAs
13:47 < sibiria> which effectively is the same, since it cannot verify the files' signatures
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13:48 < Lucas_> actually, it doesn't have the _signed_ SHA256. The normal SHA256 is up-to-date.
13:48 < sjk> Ah, true
13:48 < sjk> Well, maybe the 015 and 016 patches aren't really a problem in Europe. 
13:48 < sjk> ;-)
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14:07 < IcePic> sjk: I'll check ftp.eu.*
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14:10 < sjk> IcePic: thanks!
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14:12 < IcePic> sjk: should pick up the sha now, but I don't know why it didn't really before
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15:47 < jab> well the openBSD handbook doesn't really tell you how to install wordpress themes... 
15:48  * sibiria drops jaw
15:48 < jab> hahaha :)
15:48 < jab> wordpress is asking me for my ftp credentials...
15:49 < jab> I could manually unzip the theme in the right directory...but updating it sounds like a pain then...
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15:52 < sibiria> pretty sure WP has a configuration item for uploading themes to it directly in the control panel
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15:55 < jab> maybe I've got some permissions wrong...but I am uploading the storefront.zip file directly to the wordpress website.  wp-content/themes, wp-content/uploads, wp-content/themes are arr www:www  group and user can rwx.
15:56 < jab> are all www:www* 
15:57 < jab> yup.  it was a permissions issue.
15:58 < jab> I when to the wordpress root directory.  doas chown -R www wordpress; doas chgrp -R www wordpress;  doas chmod -R g+rwx;  doas chmod u+rwx wordpress;
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16:00 < jab> sibiria: thanks for the suggestion.
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16:03 < sibiria> now your family is indebted to my family
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16:18 < mlw> When entering a password for FDE on 7.8, I always get the message: "bcrypt_pbkdf failed" on the first try. Subsequent attempts are successful.
16:18 < mlw> Is this error potentially related to my hardware?
16:18 < mlw> Thinkpad T450s
16:19 < sibiria> what happens if you, on the first attempt, type a few characters and then backspace all of them and enter the PW anew
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16:21 < mlw> sibiria: I can reboot and give that a try and come back the channel. Is there anything else that I should try to collect more information?
16:21 < jab> sibiria: sounds good.  Would you like me to mail your my first born son ?
16:22 < sibiria> mlw: nothing i can think of. it was just an immediate thought, that some hiccup has caused either a ghost entry or first key stroke going missing
16:22 < sibiria> jab: no, but if we end up in a blood feud with another family we expect your family to come to our aid
16:24 < jab> :)  Are we the hatfields or mccoys ?
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16:25 < sibiria> the bonds and the leitners
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16:28 < mlw> be right back
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16:31 < mlw> Back. Entered a few characters. Backspaced, then entered the correct PW and the same happens. "bcrypt_pbkdf failed"
16:31 < mlw> Entering the PW a second time, always works.
16:31 < sibiria> disconcerting. i'm out of ideas
16:32 < sibiria> though i'd have a look on the mailing lists, perhaps even posting the question there
16:34 < mlw> Ok.
16:35 < mlw> I mean it is not a huge nuisance. I just wondered whether it might pose any long term issues...a corrupt database or something.
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18:45 < jab> now I'm trying to figure out how to share the same certificate for hurdos.com with store.hurdos.com 
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18:47 < jab> looks like acme-client.conf has a section called "alternative names"
18:48 < quinq> jab, that's it :)
18:48 < jab> nice!
18:49 < jab> the openbsd documentation for the win!
18:50 < quinq> As the man-page says, it expects FQDN
18:51 < jab> FQDN  ?
18:51 < jab> fully qualified domain name.
18:51 < jab> gotcha.
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18:58 < jab> ok it's very basic, so don't judge too harshly yet:  https://store.hurdos.com/  
18:58 < jab> thanks for the help broskies!
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19:01 < quinq> :)
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19:02 < quinq> Don't worry, you won't be judged too harshly on #openbsd, unless you behave like an ass which you are not doing :)
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19:04 < quinq> “Unleash your inner ganster” gangster? :)
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19:08 < jab> yup!  why not ?
19:09 < jab> I wish I could run that site on the Hurd...and maybe I could if I was using qemu, but the Hurd's networking at the moment on real hardware is 10kB - 100 kb.  I'm actually running it on a T420 with 12 GB of ram.
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19:12 < quinq> jab, why not the typo you mean?
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19:18 < jab> oh, gotcha.  I'll fix that!  thanks!
19:20 < jab> I love emacs' tramp mode!  That was sooo easy to fix!
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20:16 < sjk> IcePic: thanks, it's working now!
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20:32 < hmjsp> for the shell experts here... i'm trying to get the list of dependencies for a package, and see if i have them installed or not (running on a VERY space constrained system). i got something that works but is inefficient cause it calls awk a BUNCH of times, and there might be a way to bulk query with pkg_info that idk? anyways here's the command:
20:32 < hmjsp> for i in $(pkg_info -f thunar | grep depend | awk '{print $2}' | awk -F: '{print $1}' | awk -F/ '{print $NF}' | awk -F, '{print $1}'); do pkg_info -Q "$i"; done
20:32 < hmjsp> where the package in this case is thunar
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20:34 < uwharrie> that could definitely be a single `pkg_info | awk` call
20:35 < hmjsp> enlighten me :)
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20:35 < hmjsp> i suck at non trivial shell cause i only have to use it once every couple months so no knowledge ever really sticks
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20:38 < hmjsp> incidentally, is there a way to get at least a rough estimate of size of packages before install? that would be extremely helpful too
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20:38 < uwharrie> `pkg_info -s`
20:41 < hmjsp> oop. somehow missed that. ty!
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20:43 < sonya> hmjsp: this works only for installed ones → $ cat ~/bin/pkg_dependencies  →  https://termbin.com/jmzt  .. 
20:43 < uwharrie> pkg_info -f thunar | awk -F'[ :,]' '/^@depend/{split($2,a,"/");print a[length(a)]}'
20:46 < uwharrie> but if you're mainly interested in what could get installed, there's `pkg_add -ns`
20:47 < hmjsp> thanks both!
20:48 < uwharrie> and wow, still scrolling trying on that package
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20:48 < hmjsp> xD
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20:49 < hmjsp> uwharrie: are u good at shell because u use it often or...?
20:49 < hmjsp> because my main issue with awk/sed tricks is i don't have to use them that often at all, just occasionally i have a scripting need and i make an ugly solution that works
20:50 < hmjsp> so no info sticks via practice because there is no practising happening lol
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20:52 < uwharrie> Yes. It's usually my first step for automating something or munging some data for either personal stuff or at work. Once a script reaches a certain length, level of complexity, or requires better data structures I'll switch to something else
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20:54 < hmjsp> that's so cool
20:55 < RobbieAB> I have ended up using xargs to effect DB joins in shell because application tooling completely lacked required functionality...
20:55 < uwharrie> saving anything useful into a file with comments or notes makes searching past solutions as a reminder easier. Using tools like explainshell.com or shellcheck.net are also good
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20:57 < hmjsp> i only started doing the former recently, since i started self hosting and all. very very useful lol, especially when u want to make seemignly small changes and there's some little silly thing u forgot...
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20:57 < uwharrie> I've done similar as a proof of concept of "the filesystem is a database" using tools like sort, join, cut, paste, uniq, comm, etc
20:57 < hmjsp> im trying to manage my thoughts better on a computer; org mode seems cool but learning emacs is just too much
20:58 < hmjsp> im kindaaa using org mode with emacs but i find that the friction i get from emacs makes me not really take full advantage of it
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20:59 < uwharrie> I used org for everything for a while, but have dropped back to plain markdown for anything that doesn't need org-babel or some of the other more advanced but useful org type things
20:59 < hmjsp> idek what org-babel is, but i found the refile ability very useful for jolting down notes/tasks and then reorganising them later
20:59 < hmjsp> and the todos, agenda, calendar, etc
21:00 < hmjsp> even made a conky widget that just runs emacs headless to output the agenda for the day, pretty useful
21:00 < RobbieAB> uwharrie: If the FS isn't obviously a directory, I'm baffled... :D
21:01 < hmjsp> could potentially just use a neovim plugin, but im too busy to fiddle with all that tbh xD
21:01 < uwharrie> org-babel is a "literate programming" type tool where you can intermix documentation/notes/commentary with code, run the code, store its output, pass results between different code blocks of different languages, etc
21:02 < uwharrie> similar to Jupyter Notebooks
21:02 < hmjsp> woah that's sick
21:02 < hmjsp> sounds pretty useful
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21:26 < jab> well apparently my / on my computer is too large.... 
21:26 < jab> got to try to fix that...
21:26 < jab> I suppose I could delete the local wordpress.... hahaha
21:26 < pe> Too large or too full...
21:27 < quinq> Something's too large for your /
21:30 < jab> looks like it.  I'm not sure what yet..
21:30 < jab> yet...
21:30 < quinq> ncdu is pretty handy if you ask me
21:31 < jab> what is ncdu ? 
21:32 < quinq> Stands for NCurses Disk Usage
21:32 < jab> I don't know if my root disk has enough room to install it. :)  
21:32 < jab> I could build it from source I suppose.
21:33 < quinq> Could be harder
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21:33 < quinq> By default your disk would have been partitioned, so you'd have space in /usr/local for installing ports, it's separated from /
21:34 < jab> that's true.
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21:35 < jab> my /usr/local is starting to get a bit full too. 65%
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21:36 < jab> I've got a 1 TB SSD.  So I should have had enough room.  I accepted the defaults and increased my /home partition size.
21:36 < jab> there's not some sort of cleaning command that I need to run  right?
21:36 < jab> doas delete-old-bsd-kernels ?
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21:37 < sibiria> no such thing
21:38 < jab> I only have 7MB in /bin
21:38 < sibiria> unfortunately, the auto-layout isn't entirely well, no matter how large your storage is
21:38 < quinq> If you've upgraded several times and forgot to cleanup some files, there's a tool to tell you that, but I doubt that's the case here
21:38 < sibiria> adding to that, you can't resize partitions the way you can with modern file systems and LVMs
21:38 < quinq> sibiria, soon will be the year of the modern OpenBSD file-system
21:39 < sibiria> any decade now
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21:40 < jab> sibiria: I was thinking about OpenBSD's filesystem...if you think that bcachefs is pretty good...well it took Kent almost 10 years to get it working well.  That astounds me that a filesystem can take that long to stabilize. 
21:42 < jab> my /dev is 800M ?
21:42 < jab> doas du -ahx /dev | sort -rh | head -n 20
21:42 < quinq> jab, that's because it was written by self-appointed best engineer in the world
21:42 < jab> 825M	/dev
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21:42 < mischief> jab: perhaps you accidentally wrote a file instead of a device node.
21:43 < jab> 824M	/dev/sd1 
21:43 < jab> does that look write ?
21:43 < quinq> That looks wong
21:43 < jab> then I probably did something wrong...
21:43 < mischief> there's no device called sd1, you can delete it
21:44 < jab> sd1 is my encrypted device.
21:44 < jab> sd0 is the SSD, sd1 is the unencrypted one...
21:44 < jab> I don't know sd1 and sd0 are the same, but one is encrypted.
21:44 < sibiria> it's sd<num> in openbsd, not sd<letter> as in linux
21:44 < mischief> that may be but there's no standard device node in /dev named sd1
21:45 < mischief> the device nodes are only slices (sdX{a,b,c} etc)
21:45 < sibiria> probably misfire for sd1c, yeah
21:46 < jab> sd1 as in sdOne not sdL
21:47 < jab> quinq: it would be cool if dragonflyBSD's filesystem was ported to OpenBSD, but apparently filesystems are annoying non-portable.
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21:48 < quinq> Depends on how they were written
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21:49 < jab> I suppose ext2 is fairly portable, or at least has been ported to lots of OSes.
21:49 < sibiria> openbsd has ext2
21:49 < quinq> CQFD
21:50 < jab> my point exactly.  ext2 is fairly portable, no ?
21:51 < sibiria> sure. i think ext3 is as well. just a licensing issue
21:51 < jab> also I think I found some firmware for intel i915.  I'm using a core2duo, so I shouldn't need that.
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22:01 < jab> hmmm, I'm not sure if I can delete that with fw_update...I could just blindly delete that file, but that seems like a bad idea.
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22:02 < sibiria> it will just come back. the firmware is there because the hardware was found on your platform
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22:03 < jab> hmmm....
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22:03 < sibiria> integrated graphics in the northbridge
22:03 < jab> I am running snapshots....maybe I should take a look at that command to see what can be deleted.
22:04 < uwharrie> snapshots aren't going to change anything
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22:13 < ssm_> jab: you could try installing an immutable file with chflags in place of the firmware file you don't want
22:14 < ssm_> I haven't tried this, but it's what I usually do in this type of situation if I don't want to hack the installer itself
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22:21 < jab> eh, sibiria is probably right.
22:21 < jab> he thinks the firmware is there, because I need it.
22:22 < sibiria> fw_update will install what's missing
22:22 < sibiria> i915 is core 2 era northbridge
22:22 < jab> gotcha.
22:23 < jab> maybe I just need to re-install with a larger / .  1GB / is not a lot.
22:24 < sibiria> in my opinion, it's always better to set-up your own disk labels to make sure you have enough for each of them
22:24 < ssm_> 1 GB rootfs is the standard max size, read disklabel(8)
22:24 < jab> I know it's the standard, but my standard 1GB / is full.  :) 
22:24 < ssm_> as low as 150M is supported
22:24 < ssm_> hmm, must've done something strange then
22:25 < jab> maybe, I don't know what. 
22:25 < jab> sibiria: I struggle with figuring out how to make larger disk sizes.
22:25 < sibiria> you have to edit the layout. we can guide you
22:25 < sibiria> also:  cd /; du -sh *
22:25 < ssm_> try `du -hx / | sort -h`
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22:29 < ssm_> or better `find -x / -type f -exec du -h {} + | sort -h`
22:29 < thrig> or look in /dev if you ran any dd commands from linoox
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22:31 < quinq> Or install ncdu
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22:32 < jab> i'm guessing my problem is in /dev
22:32 < jab> and I'll install ncdu
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22:32 < jab> https://paste.rs/cchbY 
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22:34 < quinq> Didn't we already established you created a /dev/sd1 file by mistake?
22:34 < quinq> An hour ago
22:34 < jab> yup.  that was my mistake.
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22:34 < jab> file /dev/sd1 -> /dev/sd1: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'GUIX_X86_64-LINUX_1.5.0 
22:35 < jab> I had assumed whoever gave that advice was mistaken.  my apologies.
22:35 < jab> / is now @ 20%.  sorry for the noise and thanks for the help.
22:36 < quinq> That's ok :)
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22:38 < jab> ya'll really are helpful by the way.  I don't think there's been any time where I've asked for help in OpenBSD (or just thought out loud) and people always chime in.
22:38 < jab> sibiria: is particually good at helping.  I think he's helped me almost every time.
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22:41 < sibiria> just doing my duty to collect new pufferfish for the school
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