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02:00 < welcome> HELO
02:00 < welcome> I am trying to get working a MediaTek wifi card
02:00 < welcome> dmesg shows it is not configured
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02:01 < welcome> I know there is the firmware for this card but ifconfig does not show the interface at all
02:01 < mischief> welcome: might be a missing vid/did in the driver.
02:02 < welcome> I have the 0x7922
02:02 < welcome> I've looked a bit online
02:02 < welcome> I thought I'd ask here
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02:02 < welcome> Can I fix this missing vid problem?
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02:07 < echelon> i had an offtopic hypothetical question.. could you potentially use ai for clean-room design/implementation? ie, the usual process requires at least one person to have access to the original source material, who then provides specifications for the code, and then a second person basically implements the specs in new code from scratch.
02:08 < echelon> so instead of people, you would use one ai that writes the specs, and another ai that isn't trained against the original source, but generates code based on the first ai's specs.
02:09 < echelon> i guess my question is, would this be adequate for bypassing software licensing restrictions?
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02:11 < phy1729> echelon: no and that's off topic
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02:12 < welcome> how do I determine whether I should get a new openbsd current install to enable the newish mwx(4) support?
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02:12 < echelon> phy1729: yes, i prefaced it as being offtopic.. but why would you say no?
02:12 < welcome> It seems to have been in development around 2024 2025...
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02:13 < phy1729> echelon: Find somewhere else to discuss this. There are enough channels that endlessly discuss LLMs. We don't need another 
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02:14 < echelon> llm's aren't really the core of the question, it's about software licenses and clean-room design implementations
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03:11 < rcf> welcome: if the real device ID is 0x7922 that would certainly explain it; it's 0x0616 in the kernel's list. 
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12:51 < avemestr> polarian: Perhaps of interest to you: https://btxx.org/posts/diy-home-network/
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13:03 < avemestr> PSA: If your (ungoogled)Chromium doesn't work after recent syspatch: Do pkg_add -u
13:04 < ssm_> s/: Do.*/, it's a feature of the new patch, enjoy/
13:05 < avemestr> Haha!
13:06 < ssm_> sponsored by www/links
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14:13 < mlxdy> Hi. How can I connect my OpenBSD to internet? I have Thinkpad X13, usb tethering don't work and wifi too.
14:13 < mlxdy> Laptop don't have normal ethernet cable.
14:13 < mlxdy> iwx0: could not read firmware iwx-cc-a0-77
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14:16 < sonya> mlxdy: get needed firmware from http://firmware.openbsd.org/firmware/
14:16 < sonya> and put it into /etc/firmware/[intel]
14:17 < mlxdy> Is there https version of repository?
14:17 < mlxdy> I don't think it's secure to download it from http.
14:18 < sibiria> doesn't matter, packages are signed and verified
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14:18 < sonya> get from https and accept cert
14:18 < mlxdy> Oh, okay. So I need to install tarball for my firmware and move it to pendrive.
14:19 < sonya> it seems cert there is not o'k for a modern (shitty) browsers
14:19 < mlxdy> I hate modern browsers too.
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14:22 < sonya> mlxdy: also i got  RTL8153B ("Realtek USB 10/100/1000 LAN") for ethernet, though there're a lot of better options..
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14:36 < mlxdy> sonya: I have Thinkpad X13 with AMD CPU. Which tarballs should I install exactly?
14:36 < mlxdy> amd-firmware and iwx-firmware?
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14:40 < avemestr> mlxdy: Easiest way is probably to get a cheap-o USB-ethernet-dongle and just do "fw_update" which fetches the appropriate firmwares.
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14:47 < sonya> mlxdy: iwx - definitely, about amd - probably, but i'm not an expert here, sorry
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14:56 < mlxdy> avemestr: Weather is beatiful today so I can go on my bike to store and buy one :)\
14:57 < mlxdy> I tried to install OpenBSD with disk encryption and everytime password is incorrect.
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14:58 < avemestr> mlxdy: If you're going to do a reinstall, the second-easiest option is copying the firmware to the install media before installing.
14:58 < thrig> data is secure
15:00 < mlxdy> avemestr: How to do that?
15:01 < avemestr> mlxdy: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#WifiOnly
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15:04 < morpho> any recommendation for an openbsd router?
15:04 < morpho> it just needs to act vpn gateway
15:05 < ssm_> whatever you're typing on right now
15:06 < ssm_> does it have a driver listed in /usr/share/man/man4/ for a wired networking device? it's ready
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15:09 < morpho> this only has 1 ethernet port and its not a fast one
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15:20 < cgnarne> pcengine apu has 4 Ethernet ports. not the fastest cpu tho
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15:24 < sibiria> USB ethernet works alright
15:26 < morpho> ah, good to know :)
15:27 < morpho> i looked at pcengines but they are not available where i am
15:28 < cgnarne> they're sadly eop, but you can find some on ebay
15:29 < mischief> protectli perhaps
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15:30 < sibiria> protectli is chinese hardware and chinese BIOS/EFI, which may matter
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15:31 < sibiria> rebranded Qotom hardware
15:32 < morpho> security implications?
15:33 < morpho> kind of expensive
15:33 < sibiria> cheaper if you buy it under Qotom brand :p
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15:44 < morpho> hrmm, some of the edgerouters are pretty cheap and run obsd
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17:41 < deimosBSD> protectli generally is taiwanese hardware and bios, unless you get coreboot
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17:52 < mlxdy> I have problem with that encryption.
17:52 < mlxdy> My default password just don't working.
17:52 < mlxdy> 123 yes.
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17:55 < mlxdy> It might be problem with keyboard input during typing password to decrypt drive.
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18:03 < cgnarne> what is your keyboard layout?
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18:07 < mlxdy> Idk normal.
18:07 < mlxdy> I'm using Polish by default, but I tried with US and it was the same.
18:07 < cgnarne> ah ok
18:08 < cgnarne> during the bootloader the layout should be us. so beware of z and y
18:09 < mlxdy> I have QWERTY.
18:09 < mlxdy> I'll try another password right now.
18:09 < mlxdy> No way.
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18:15 < mlxdy> Okay, I had to change keyboard layout in bios settings, haha.
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18:55 < deimosBSD> I correct myself, I just found the reversed binary I did ages ago, it is yanling, https://www.ylipc.com which is from shenzen in china
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19:27 < mlxdy> OpenBSD is compatible with FAT32?
19:27 < mlxdy> I wanted to get this driver from pendrive, so I formatted it to FAT32 on Linux and dropped driver.
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19:29 < mlxdy> Disklabel -h sd2 is showing me c and i partitions with the same size. fstype of c partition is unused and of i is ext2fs.
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19:32 < mischief> of course openbsd works with FAT32
19:32 < mischief> there is mount_ext2fs(8) as well, but i've never tried it personally.
19:33 < byteskeptical> mlxdy: you want the i partition
19:33 < thrig> unix permissions fare poorly on FAT
19:34 < mlxdy> But why it's showed as ext2 when it's fat lol
19:35 < mischief> the partition type may disagree with the actual data on the disk
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19:36 < mlxdy> Okay, it might be problem with pendrive as I see now.
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19:39 < mlxdy> No, problem is somewhere else.
19:39 < mlxdy> ext2fs: wrong magic number 0x0
19:39 < mlxdy> mount_ext2fs: /dev/sd2i on /mnt/pen: Input/output error
19:40 < byteskeptical> mount /dev/sdi /mnt/pen?
19:40 < byteskeptical> /dev/sd2i I meant
19:41 < mlxdy> Yes.
19:41 < mlxdy> I wanted to try format disk on OpenBSD, but it takes too long.
19:42 < mlxdy> newfs_msdos -F 32 sd2i
19:42 < mlxdy> It's working and working.
19:42 < byteskeptical> then yeah the drive was made probably with the extended format or some other issue. doas fdisk -iy {disk}; doas fdisk -e {disk} <- edit 3 type 0B; doas newfs_msdos -F 32 /dev/r{disk}c
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19:44 < mlxdy> edit 3 type 0B ?
19:45 < mlxdy> Oh, I understand.
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19:49 < mlxdy> It still don't working, I tried with both pendrives.
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19:52 < byteskeptical> mlxdy: what isn't working, the creation or the mounting?
19:53 < mlxdy> newfs just takes time and no effects.
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19:56 < cgnarne> try newfs -t msdos
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20:06 < byteskeptical> even with using the raw r in front of the device?
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20:06 < byteskeptical> and using the c partition?
20:06 < mlxdy> Right now I'm doing newfs -t msdos sd2c
20:07 < mlxdy> But something is wrong there.
20:07 < byteskeptical> try rsd2c
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20:08 < mlxdy> It's rsd2c already. When I try to do rsd2c I have /dev/rrsd2c no file or directory.
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20:08 < mlxdy> Maybe my install is broken?
20:09 < byteskeptical> what is the actual command your running in full?
20:09 < mischief> use the full path
20:09 < byteskeptical> ^
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20:10 < cgnarne> that's to be expected. if you don't use the full path newfs tries for the raw device
20:10 < cgnarne> so for rsd2c it fails
20:10 < mlxdy> So what command should I put in terminal?
20:11 < mlxdy> I wiped completely that pendrive with wipefs right now.
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20:24 < byteskeptical> mlxdy: I included the full list of commands that have always worked for me you could try those.
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20:25 < mlxdy> I'll try system reinstallation.
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20:27 < cgnarne> that's a bit much
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20:36 < mischief> fdisk is certainly obtuse, but it did work for me here
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21:08 < mlxdy> Okay, I made it.
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21:15 < mlxdy> Working wifi, hell yeah.
21:16 < Bradipo> What NIC?
21:16 < mlxdy> NIC?
21:19 < tvtoon> network card
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21:20 < quinq> Nicky Larson
21:20 < mlxdy> Laptop is Lenovo Thinkpad X13, network card idk.
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21:28 < mlxdy> By the way really thank you guys for your help!! :)
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22:12 < oldlaptop> mischief: I would say in a way openbsd fdisk is the most "clear" - it faithfully and directly represents the underlying MBR, in all its natural obtusity
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22:29 < thrig> garbage in, garbage out
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22:44 < mischief> the issue i ran into is that the documented commands in the repl didn't work on a blank disk
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22:48 < mischief> basically if your disk is blank, it will just say invalid command https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/sbin/fdisk/user.c#L217
22:48 < mischief> very confusing :-)
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