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00:15 < Bradipo> Why does Firefox have to get so stupid: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/use-link-previews-firefox
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00:36 < echelon> how do i figure out why my firefox processes coredumps every morning, it's supposed to be for a kiosk
00:36 < echelon> it's like clockwork
00:38 < Bradipo> memory limits?
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00:43 < echelon> only thing the page displays is 4x video streams, with no other activity, so it must be some kind of memory bug
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01:33 < ssm_> echelon: read the coredump to find out! :3
01:33 < ssm_> read the <optimized out> to <optimized out>! :<owoptmized out>
01:39 < echelon> ok :/
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01:41 < byteskeptical> echelon: is the user running the fox in a the staff class
01:41 < echelon> how do i check that?
01:42 < byteskeptical> userinfo <user>
01:42 < echelon> byteskeptical: yes, actually
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01:42 < echelon> what does that indicate
01:43 < byteskeptical> limits in /etc/login.conf
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01:43 < byteskeptical> you can try bumping those or perhaps disk cache using about:config
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01:53 < mischief> maybe if it's just a video stream you could ditch firefox and use a real video player
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01:53 < byteskeptical> fair point
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03:22 < gman999> is there a fix yet for the sysupgrade(8) segfault?
03:24 < byteskeptical> bsd.rd
03:25 < gman999> so manaually grab a new bsd.rd and upgrade?
03:26 < byteskeptical> there is a fix but you probably have to/want to boot into bsd.rd and upgrade that way. Shouldn't need to manually grab a new one
03:26 < gman999> ah, cool. appreciated.
03:27 < byteskeptical> np
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05:29 < apotheon> The missus is running 7.7, and was planning on updating to 7.8 soon.  She applied system patches, and started having problems with ungoogled-chromium from OpenBSD packages.  Pledge errors were significant.  I started poking around and saw that the three most recent syspatches for 7.7 were two for pledge related matters and one for unveil.  I had her revert them one at a time (rebooting between
05:29 < apotheon> reverts), and after reverting the unveil and latest pledge patches ungoogled-chromium seems to behave.
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05:30 < phy1729> Did you update packages?
05:30 < apotheon> I'd like to know if that would be expected to not be a problem if, when she's ready to upgrade to 7.8, to just re-apply those patches and upgrade.
05:31 < apotheon> Yes, packages were all updated.
05:31 < phy1729> Should have been ok with updated packages, but 018 notes some ports will be broken by it https://www.openbsd.org/errata78.html
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05:36 < apotheon> Does that imply that the affected packages in 7.7 need to be updated by building from ports instead of using the packages?
05:36 < apotheon> (to avoid breakage with the pledge-related patches, I mean)
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05:38 < phy1729> Yes, sorry it's late and didn't register 7.7 isn't latest stable so you don't get packages built
05:39 < apotheon> Thank you.  That makes sense.
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05:43 < apotheon> Okay, we have a plan.  She's going to do some data housekeeping, then when she's ready to upgrade she'll apply the last patches and upgrade to 7.8.  Thanks for the help.
05:44 < apotheon> The missus appreciates your help, too.
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05:44 < avemestr> And remember the pkg_add -u after that :-)
05:45 < apotheon> yep
05:45 < apotheon> We're pretty diligent about following protocol when upgrading.
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05:59 < mischief> rnkn: the relayd reload race got fixed in -current
06:00 < mischief> https://github.com/openbsd/src/commit/43468d53e406214605a7de23b583c46784bde29c
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06:20 < rnkn> mischief: awesome, thanks! I'm just on -stable so I will have to wait
06:21 < mischief> april-ish possibly
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10:11 < noob_> D0es anyone know of a good messaging app for openbsd such as tox?
10:14 < cgnarne> https://wiki.tox.chat/clients
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10:14 < litl> what is tox?
10:14 < noob_> a mesaging app
10:15 < litl> is it a xmpp client?
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10:16 < litl> https://openbsd.app/?search=tox&current=on
10:16 < cgnarne> it's a different protocol
10:16 < litl> there's a couple ncurses clients
10:17 < litl> err one client.
10:17 < litl> toxic
10:17 < noob_> I should have looked harder for tox
10:17 < noob_> cgnarne: thanks
10:17 < litl> https://openbsd.app is a great way to search for openbsd specific software
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10:20 < noob_> litl: thanks
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12:57 < qbit> woo
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14:01 < Rue_> hi
14:01 < mlxdy> Rue_: Hi!
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14:05 < Rue_> got a quick question. i'm on a fresh install(7.8 release). ran sysupgrade by accident (since i'm not planning to upgrade to current or anything) and it's fetching stuff from 7.9.... and it says Downloaded release is older than installed system. Use -f to force downgrade. 
14:05 < Rue_> did i do something wrong here? :P
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14:10 < Lucas_> Rue_: no, nothing
14:11 < Rue_> ok i'm afraid it might have pulled package list/ports from 7.9 by accident
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14:14 < cgnarne> no, nothing happened. you're fine 
14:14 < Rue_> by the way, i was wondering if anyone is having issues with mpv (0.40.0) ? most of the videos seems to be giving me https: HTTP error 43 Forbidden error. Exiting.... (Errors when loading file)
14:15 < cgnarne> videos from where?
14:15 < Rue_> youtube
14:16 < Rue_> just tried a twitch live stream. that seems to be fine. just youtube then perhaps
14:17 < cgnarne> youtube does not want you to use anything else than their app or website
14:17 < cgnarne> this is the result
14:17 < phy1729> mpv uses yt-dlp and yt-dlp needs fairly constant updates to keep working with youtube
14:17 < jbernard> Rue_: you may need a js runtime, see https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/14404
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14:18 < cgnarne> If you are on stable yt-dlp may be too old at this point
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14:19 < Rue_> cgnarne: i see
14:19 < Rue_> jbernard: that's interesting
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14:19 < cgnarne> it's an arms race. yt vs downloaders
14:20 < jbernard> ^ yep.  ive had luck with deno
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14:21 < Rue_> i can still use mpv on my linux though
14:22 < Rue_> so i dont think it's due to the javascript runtime yet
14:22 < Rue_> maybe my 7.8 release 0.40.0 mpv and its yt-dlp is outdated perhaps
14:22 < Rue_> on openbsd
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16:05 < morpho> if i have a VPS somewhere can i use pf to route certain ports to other servers around the globe
16:06 < morpho> and use wireguard or openIked to get a static ip from the servers
16:07 < sibiria> yes, and a VPN (e.g. wireguard) is necessary for that
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16:09 < sibiria> it's a common setup
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16:12 < morpho> so a small part is exposed to public internet
16:12 < morpho> but if you connect to the vpn you could potentially access more
16:13 < sibiria> if you want to forward traffic from the internet to your tucked-away server, you have to expose those portions
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16:16 < morpho> does it basically appear as-if all those services are hosted from one IP
16:17 < sibiria> that's up to you
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16:17 < sibiria> i run a few VMs at home, that are fronted by a single VPS with multiple static IPs (one for each VM)
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16:17 < sibiria> and i just tunnel traffic between VMs and VPS using wireguard
16:18 < morpho> i was going to use bsd amsterdam
16:18 < morpho> can you ask for more than one static ipv6
16:18 < sibiria> i don't know. i've never used openbsd amsterdam
16:19 < morpho> ah nvm, but did you ask for my ips
16:19 < morpho> more*
16:19 < sibiria> not necessary with the host i use. i can just get more IPv4 addresses for free
16:19 < sibiria> up to... 8 or 10, i forgot
16:19 < morpho> nice :) ty
16:20 < morpho> do you use wireguard over openiked
16:20 < sibiria> i don't understand why that would be necessary. i use just wireguard
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16:21 < lts> morpho: you might be interested in something like nginx stream module https://nginx.org/en/docs/stream/ngx_stream_ssl_preread_module.html
16:21 < klsrqm> morpho: you can ask Mischa on @mischa@exquisitie.social on Mastodon about IPV6
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16:21 < klsrqm> as in, IPV6 at OBSDA.ms
16:23 < morpho> ty
16:23 < morpho> im not planning on hosting any http services but did wonder about a reverse proxy
16:23 < lts> Then it's all PF and wireguard tunnels for you
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16:25 < lts> Remember to set a persistent keepalive to the tunnels from backends to the VPS, or traffic coming from VPS might not have an active tunnel
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16:26 < morpho> yeah i was wondering how to handle reconnects if anything drops
16:26 < lts> That is the way
16:26 < morpho> as i understand i can map different wireguard credentials to static ips on the vps
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16:27 < lts> Just setup a new /etc/hostname.wgX for each new server you want to use. Though you might not need to do that, because the clients to one server cannot connect to each other without knowing each others' keys
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16:29 < lts> (Unless the server routes the traffic, of course)
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16:33 < sibiria> morpho: technically you are not "mapping" wg to static IPs
16:34 < supaman> I have VPS at openbsd.amsterdam, in my /etc/hostname.vio0 it says "iname6 IP 64" ... the 64 at the end means a CIDR 64 bit mask right?
16:34 < sibiria> WG is a tool to tunnel traffic between two points. routing ("mapping") traffic to/from each static IP into each tunnel is what you're looking for
16:35 < morpho> my servers dont have static ips
16:35 < supaman> woops, sorry, it says "inet6" not "iname6" :-)
16:36 < lts> The wireguard tunnel IPs are RFC1918 IPs (unless you're something really funky), meaning you can use whatever e.g. 10.99.35.0/24
16:37 < lts> As long as the VPS has a static IP outside the tunnel, the backends can connect to it and establish the wireguard tunnels. You then route the wireguard traffic using the wireguard tunnel IPs.
16:37 < sibiria> supaman: it should be in CIDR notation, e.g. fc01::/64
16:37 < sibiria> i can't recall if hostname.if syntax accepts just putting the prefix size in a column of its own like that
16:38 < sibiria> give it a go
16:38 < supaman> sibiria: seems it does, at least doesnÃ't complain when staring up
16:38 < morpho> still building servers here, but no doubt il be back in touch
16:38 < sibiria> i always specify it as CIDR for both ipv4 and ipv6
16:39 < lts> It does support both, according to man hostname.if
16:40 < supaman> morpho: so to answer your question about IPv6 at openbsd.amsterdam, you do get a /64 IPv6 assigned to you
16:40 < morpho> ah right, i only need the one
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16:40 < supaman> I did and I did not ask for a /64
16:41 < lts> In IPv6, /64 is minimum for one host for quite many purposes
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16:43 < morpho> am i ok to torrent through amsterdam bsd
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16:44 < supaman> dont know about that, have to ask mischa
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16:45 < morpho> ok
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18:55 < mischief> hm. wonder why my riscv vm is so slow..
18:56 < mischief> disk io is abysmal and there's a lot of sys%/spin%
18:56 < mischief> 4   CPUs:  1.1% user,  0.0% nice, 36.2% sys, 50.2% spin,  7.4% intr,  5.2% idle
18:58 < ssm_> mischief: if your host is openbsd, qemu performance is terrible _everywhere_
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19:06 < mischief> ssm_: no, it is linux
19:06 < mischief> and it's kvm, not qemu tcg.
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21:55 < mlxdy> I installed Xonotic on my OpenBSD laptop, it works so smooth.
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21:59 < tux0r> mischief: surprise! linux is slow!
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22:00 < mlxdy> For me Linux is really performant OS. I was playing in Windows 10 VM with GPU Passthrough for few months and performance was the same as on native system.
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22:00 < mlxdy> I was using QEMU/KVM
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22:03 < mlxdy> I'm playing Xonotic on ultra settings on my Thinkpad X13.
22:03 < mlxdy> I'm really impressed with OpenBSD system!
22:03 < mlxdy> It's much more better than Linux or FreeBSD.
22:04 < mischief> tux0r: no, a linux vm on the same host is much faster.
22:05 < morpho> linux can be slower just because its easier to misconfigure
22:06 < morpho> or something going wrong sooner
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22:07 < mlxdy> Is there any way to run Signal messenger on OpenBSD?
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22:10 < mischief> you can try to follow their upstream instructions
22:10 < mischief> if it doesn't work, report a bug :)
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22:16 < c0co> what's happening sane folk
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22:18 < mischief> been fucking around with riscv but i think i give up for today. the hill to climb is.. very steep.
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22:23 < morpho> mischief what board is it?
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22:24 < mischief> i have both milk-v megrez and orangepi rv2
22:24 < morpho> is the rv2 the one with dual lan
22:24 < mischief> today i wanted to pxeboot the orangepi rv2 from the milk-v megrez, but i couldn't get it to work because the u-boot sucks.
22:24 < mischief> morpho: both have dual lan.
22:25 < morpho> i was looking at them. do they work usually or is it just the netboot that is causing issues
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22:27 < mischief> it works fine, and purportedly has upstream linux kernel support now in 6.18+, though i haven't tried it. unfortunately, it's not rva23 so ubuntu support will drop off very soon.
22:27 < kn> mischief: what is the problem with u-boot?
22:27 < mischief> kn: BOOTRISCV64.EFI doesn't detect PXE protocol from u-boot.
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22:28 < kn> a banana pi bpi-rv2 recently appeared on my desk, but i have yet to open the box
22:28 < mischief> i'm supposing that somehow a config option is missing from the installed u-boot..
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22:30 < mischief> i got the orangepi rv2 because there is fairly good upstream support in linux, which made me think that i would not have to run some obscure or years out of date image on it
22:30 < mischief> but ubuntu requiring rva23 has somewhat killed that dream
22:30 < kn> that should be easy to check; what u-boot package/file does yours use?
22:31 < mischief> :)
22:31 < mischief> unfortunately the upstream u-boot support is conveniently missing
22:31 < mischief> i didn't go chase down the vendor one yet.
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22:33 < kn> does INSTALL.riscv64 tell to flash miniroot and *.bin onto sd-card to boot?
22:33 < mischief> kn: this is not an openbsd supported board at all
22:34 < kn> ah, my bad
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22:35 < mischief> i was hoping to see about doing some bringup but getting stuck on just pxebooting has put a damper on that.
22:36 < kn> sd-card too cumbersome?
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22:37 < mischief> after having dealt with that for a few weeks playing with both the milk-v megrez and milk-v duo, i got kind of tired of sd card swapping tbh
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22:38 < kn> understandable (i netboot everything than is able to)
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22:39 < mischief> huh, maybe there is hope
22:39 < mischief> i read now there is mainline uboot support
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22:42 < morpho> kn why is that? how does that work?
22:43 < mischief> morpho: see https://man.openbsd.org/diskless
22:44 < morpho> ive done that for repairing systems
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22:44 < kn> netboot does not imply diskless for me
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22:45 < morpho> yeah, i first imagined you would do it for security
22:45 < morpho> so the OS is read only
22:45 < kn> mischief: and ipxe cut their 2.0 release with new riscv support
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22:59 < mischief> i'll see about building a new u-boot and check if that makes openbsd BOOTRISCV64.EFI happy with pxe
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23:07 < c0co> does anyone know of decent SDR software ported to obsd? I don't see GQRX, SDR++ etc
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23:07 < c0co> Will just try to build from source if there's no path of least resistance
23:08 < morpho> there is rtl-sdr in repos
23:08 < c0co> yeah
23:08 < morpho> thats only one device though?
23:08 < morpho> like the usb stick thingy
23:08 < c0co> yep
23:08 < c0co> and it's not really for live operation
23:08 < c0co> it's just for handling the usb
23:08 < c0co> can do some post-hoc processing on raw data recordings etc
23:09 < c0co> but GQRX, SDR++ etc are for live operation of the radio
23:09 < morpho> https://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20070530082337
23:10 < morpho> its been a while since i have done any ham stuff, my license is probably expired
23:10 < morpho> https://openports.pl/cat/hamradio
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23:15 < c0co> ty
23:15 < c0co> I'm UK based, working on intermediate license currently
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23:19 < c0co> oh there's literally a channel on libera for obsd hams, cool
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23:26 < bombuzal> c0co: oh?
23:27 < bombuzal> I wish someone would port sdrtrunk to something that isn't Java
23:27 < bombuzal> inb4 rust
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23:32 < oldlaptop> be careful what you wish for: someone might rewrite it in C#
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23:33 < oldlaptop> (I do not wish the challenge of actually porting microsoft's open-source .NET on anyone, not even a microsoft employee - it's not a very funny joke)
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23:34 < tux0r> C# is still less shit than java
23:35 < oldlaptop> The language itself is interesting.
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23:36 < oldlaptop> LINQ in particular is (at least from an end-developer standpoint, if you don't have to care about how the sausage is made) a pretty clever idea.
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23:37 < oldlaptop> the "modern" .NET runtime however is only portable in practice to those platforms microsoft will give you binaries for
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23:38 < oldlaptop> it's just such a colossal, ridiculous headache to work with that it's barely even practical for parties other than microsoft to even build binaries for stuff microsoft already supports, let alone something that *gasp* isn't linux
23:39  * oldlaptop is shocked, having not looked at it for a while, to see a freebsd port actually finally landed and is only somewhat out of date
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23:40 < oldlaptop> (there has been some actual upstream cooperation)
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23:41 < tux0r> that's funny because .net core was, and i quote, made "for portability"
23:41 < tux0r> i currently earn most of my living by writing C# and oh boy, i still wish i wouldn't.
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23:44  * oldlaptop is amused/horrified/interested to see someone is in fact actually trying on the upstream side: https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/issues/124911
23:44 < sibiria> i'm lately moving in on c#/.net territory at work, to help out on some systems usually outside my department
23:44 < sibiria> not a fan
23:45 < oldlaptop> It's not as if it'd be technically impossible, it'd just be such a colossal headache to get all the stuff actually ported in the sense that pkg_add dotnet would "just work"
23:45 < sibiria> that said, vs code runs very well on linux
23:45 < oldlaptop> maybe the "virtual mono-repo" stuff is to the point where you could actually use it now (but that seems like it'd just make the headache even bigger for someone making the github PRs)
23:46 < oldlaptop> sibiria: I'm not either, but I despise the language itself less than java.
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23:47 < oldlaptop> (and I've seen just enough of vscode to quickly look away in utter horror)
23:47 < oldlaptop> I used to think kate was a hog.
23:48 < oldlaptop> but no, vscode makes *KDE stuff* look light and fast and minimalist
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23:49 < sibiria> on the whole it's a pretty sluggish IDE, yeah
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23:50 < sibiria> but solid and stable, at least. on linux i've had no misfortunes with it crashing or choking out
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23:53 < tux0r> vs code is electron and electron is worse than aids
23:53 < oldlaptop> I'm pretty sure electron has not, in actual fact, killed anyone
23:54 < tux0r> it would not surprise me if it had
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23:54 < tux0r> i mean, it *is* pretty easy to "port" applications that don't actually have much native code anymore
23:54 < tux0r> but yuck.
23:55 < tux0r> at least aids does not eat my ram.
23:55 < oldlaptop> onshape is interesting in that respect - one useful side effect of the GoogVM is that you can in fact run serious commercial CAD on openbsd
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23:55 < tux0r> TIL: onshape
23:56 < oldlaptop> goes well with having arguably the premier CAM for additive manufacturing (un-buzzworded: 3D printer slicer) in ports these days
23:56 < oldlaptop> (now there's a porting job one has to stand in awe of.)
23:56  * oldlaptop did try at one time
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23:58 < dlg> isnt chrome an electron app?
23:58 < tux0r> no.
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23:59 < dlg> ;)
23:59 < tux0r> electron is portable chrome, that's the opposite.
23:59 < dlg> im just being a dick
23:59 < tux0r> ah right
23:59 < tux0r> good job
23:59 < dlg> thx
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