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00:22 < mischief> that sucks
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00:47 < mlxdy> I had to switch to something else :/ I reported bug.
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01:37 < itrsea> What runs OpenBSD? Is there a blog post on its usage?
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01:52 < tux0r> i do
01:52 < mischief> itrsea: yes, visit the blog at https://www.openbsd.org/
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01:53 < tux0r> the usage of openbsd is "desktops that don't suck", "servers that just work" and "firewalls that actually wall fires"
01:53 < tux0r> "a blog post", lol.
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01:54 < deimosBSD> only 12,588 servers, https://www.shodan.io/search?query=openbsd
01:54 < deimosBSD> ;)
01:55 < tux0r> three of them being mine, plus those which do NOT advertise their OS
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01:56 < deimosBSD> hence the smirk
01:56 < deimosBSD> there probably billions of openbsd machines out there, but they remain camoflaged by pf. 
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02:03 < itrsea> Can I help develop software and updates? I have a bit of experience, but I can improve.
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02:06 < mischief> itrsea: go right ahead
02:06 < itrsea> I found the updated buglist. https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html
02:06 < tux0r> sure. write code, contribute it, expect harsh feedback, grow from it :)
02:10 < ssm_> if theo tells you to get retroactively aborted you're doin good chief
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02:13 < tux0r> a friend of mine got his first commit into openbsd-base without any reply from theo
02:13 < tux0r> damn wizards
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02:34 < mlxdy> If I will learn C in future I also want contribute to OpenBSD, it's great system. But at the moment I'll keep it on servers or vm.
02:37 < tux0r> you can contribute to openbsd in other ways, like improving manpages, porting software and/or just helping users in this room :)
02:38  * tux0r learned C, but his only contribution to openbsd remains 1 maintained port
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02:40 < mlxdy> I went to school yesterday with my OpenBSD and my friend was laughing from me when I was connecting to wifi xD
02:40 < mlxdy> I had some problem with dhcp on school wifi.
02:40 < tux0r> sounds like a school problem. but manual configuration is always here for you
02:41 < tux0r> i noticed that openbsd has one of the most reliable wifis i've ever seen, and i've seen quite a lot.
02:41 < mlxdy> DHCP worked finally, I think that it was problem with my lack of knowledge how to use it. But it's simple.
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02:42 < tux0r> "add your wifi, run dhclient, wait, done" is the best case
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02:42 < tux0r> wifi is harder than windows and macos make it look :D
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02:44 < mlxdy> But it's not too good choice for me at the moment as in school we use IntelliJ software, we do Android development and web dev. And I have problem with input devices when I suspend system, also suspend and waking up takes time, shutting down system or booting it also is long. I also want to learn all stuff and OpenBSD have it own limits.
02:44 < hyperborea123> Hi guys. I tried using OpenBSD, but ran into some issues when starting Xorg. I have an RX 6950 XT. Haven't given it a try in a little bit, but I don't know if anything has changed since like, 3 weeks. Any advice?
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02:45 < mlxdy> hyperborea123: Please give us more info.
02:45 < mlxdy> Logs or something.
02:46 < tux0r> mlxdy: ACPI works well. if it doesn't, report on the mailing list(s). :)
02:47 < hyperborea123> Gotta reinstall it, then. I got a backup harddrive, should be quick.
02:48 < mlxdy> tux0r: When I was closing lid I had to wait 2-3 seconds for system to suspend.
02:48 < mlxdy> But my expierence is much more better than with FreeBSD.
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02:49 < tux0r> might still be worth a look by someone more experienced than i am
02:49 < tux0r> anyway, g'night!
02:49 < mlxdy> Good night :)
02:49 < tux0r> (3:49 AM now, i should stop communicating on IRC when tired)
02:50 < hyperborea123> How many of you guys use openbsd on your desktops?
02:51 < tux0r> i did. then i gave away that laptop (a 32-bit thinkpad), briefly used a macbook and now i fail to have a reason to.
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02:52 < tux0r> i still recommend it to anyone who does not absolutely require steam (windows exists). it is just a very lovely experience.
02:52 < tux0r> shut up tux0r. bed time. ok tux0r.
02:53 < hyperborea123> I have a really overkill PC for what I need to do. 64gb ram, 7950x, much good
02:53 < hyperborea123> All really need to run is easy, like dwm, cmus, vim, etc.
02:54 < hyperborea123> From that standpoint, OpenBSD has always been appealing. Just had that GPU issue
02:56 < hyperborea123> I've used so many linux distros... maybe openbsd will last longer
02:57 < hyperborea123> Used to run gentoo, arch, etc.. now i used linux mint because I was lazy
02:59 < hyperborea123> Kinda gave up on the whole fully-libre thing. It took too much of my life
02:59 < hyperborea123> Now my thinkpad x200 collects dust
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03:01 < hyperborea123> Intel ME is not a huge concern to me, I'll live my life. Any self-hosting I do is over Tor, anyways. I also just don't use the internet much
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03:03 < lts> Any party with control over Intel ME probably has control over Tor too, you know :-) 
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03:05 < mischief> openbsd worked fine on my rx 7900 xt last time i tried. not sure why 6950 xt would not work.
03:05 < hyperborea123> I suppose, but what I'm trying to say is this: if someone can abuse intel ME, they are on your LAN. Basically you're done for
03:06 < thrig> good thing intel is well known for writing very good code that doesn't make mistakes like getting the length of the password from the caller
03:07 < hyperborea123> Is what it is
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03:09 < hyperborea123> I just installed debian on my server, don't know if it's worth using openbsd on. It runs nginx, tor, maybe irc. Seems like a lot of time for nothing much. Maybe next server upgrade
03:09 < hyperborea123> When ram prices are double, again
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03:10 < hyperborea123> AMD threadripper? Sounds fun
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03:12 < mlxdy> hyperborea123: I have Gentoo at the moment, but I'll switch to Mint I think.
03:12 < mlxdy> Configuring everything make me burned out and it costs me sleep really often.
03:13 < hyperborea123> Might be a good option for you
03:13 < hyperborea123> Everything just works
03:14 < hyperborea123> I'm gonna install it now. I'll be back
03:14 < mlxdy> I'm obsessed with minimalism, I hate modern software, but I need to give up it a little bit.
03:14 < hyperborea123> It's tricky
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03:26 < hyperborea123> Same issue as last time
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03:27 < hyperborea123> Looks annoying to copy. Where does openbsd  have crash logs?
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03:41 < hyperborea123> Got the error
03:41 < hyperborea123> https://www.photo-pick.com/online/Vi8zUhaE.link
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03:42 < hyperborea123> https://www.photo-pick.com/online/Vi8zUhaE.link
03:42 < hyperborea123> Can anyone help?
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03:43 < mlxdy> hyperborea123: Have you installed firmware?
03:43 < mlxdy> With fw_update
03:43 < hyperborea123> It crashes, no input works
03:43 < hyperborea123> Stuck at that screen
03:44 < mlxdy> But have you installed any firmware after installation?
03:44 < hyperborea123> Nope
03:45 < hyperborea123> It ran fw_update during the install
03:45 < hyperborea123> said it included amdgpu
03:45 < mlxdy> Maybe you're missing drivers, but as I remember if installer is connected to internet then it installing them automaticly.
03:45 < mlxdy> Oh, okay.
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03:46 < hyperborea123> I was connected to the internet
03:46 < mlxdy> It might be bug which you should report to OpenBSD developers. In working system you can do this with sendbug or something like that. If you don't have working system like in this case then email.
03:47 < mlxdy> https://man.openbsd.org/sendbug
03:47 < deimosBSD> which gpu is this?
03:47 < hyperborea123> rx 6950 xt
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03:48 < mischief> hyperborea123: i'd suggest trying -current snapshot, or failing that, write to the mailing list
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03:48 < deimosBSD> this is a distinct pcie card? not sharing video memory with the main system?
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03:49 < mischief> 6950 xt is discrete, yes.
03:49 < deimosBSD> looks like something isn't waiting for the card to finish initializing
03:50 < hyperborea123> the gpu is in its own pcie slot
03:51 < mlxdy> It's worth to check bios settings sometimes, reset them to defaults. For example I had problem with FreeBSD installer lastly where I had spam of some error. I had to enable bluetooth in BIOS settings.
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03:55 < hyperborea123> I'll worry about this tomorrow. BIOS was not the issue.
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03:55 < hyperborea123> I'll try reinstalling it without xenodm running on startup so I can get a closer look at the logs
03:55 < hyperborea123> Thanks for the help
03:55 < mischief> really, try a snapshot. this bug may have already been fixed by updates to the amdgpu drm driver.
03:56 < hyperborea123> How do i try a snapshot?
03:56 < mlxdy> Install "Current
03:56 < mlxdy> "
03:56 < mischief> install from the snapshots/ subdirectory on your mirror
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03:56 < mlxdy> You'll find it somewhere on repo
03:57 < mischief> eg https://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/
03:57 < hyperborea123> I'll try that tomorrow
03:57 < hyperborea123> I'll be back
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08:33 < vortexx> tux0r: (for when you're awake) dhclient was deprecated a few releases ago, best to "echo 'inet autoconf' >/etc/hostname.wifiinf"  to achieve that. dhcpleased replaced dhclient.
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09:02 < pardis> that command will clobber your wifi join configs, but that is the line you should ensure is in the file (without clobbering everything)
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09:33 < vortexx> pardis: ugh I forgot the second >
09:33 < vortexx> and yet I had it in mind as typing that out :/
09:34 < rtj> good morning
09:34 < rtj> may your day be extra puffy
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09:38 < vortexx> rtj: same to you
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10:04 < rnkn> is there a way to feed a list of files (from find) into tar, e.g. like GNU tar's "-T"?
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10:06 < rnkn> oh wait, xargs
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10:39 < rnkn> so tar actually uses the pax format?
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11:44 < pardis> <vortexx> pardis: ugh I forgot the second >
11:44 < pardis> I would still suggest opening the file in an editor, otherwise you risk appending DHCP config to a file that already contains DHCP config (or a static address)
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12:14 < vortexx> pardis: true
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13:08 < vortexx> rnkn: tar, cpio and pax are all the same binary on OpenBSD. -F sets the format, pax is the default yes. man tar
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14:04 < ssm_> how do I differentiate between subdomains in relayd.conf with the same address?
14:05 < ssm_> I have a domain and subdomain that need different keypairs but are on the same listener (interface_addr port 443)
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14:05 < zelest> look at the host header?
14:06 < lts> You can have multiple "tls keypair" lines
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14:08 < ssm_> lts: `/etc/relayd.conf:35: cannot load keypair subdomain.example.com for relay https` in `https protocol "enc" { pass \n tls keypair example.com \n tls keypair subdomain.example.com \n }`
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14:09 < ssm_> if I invert the keypair order it always complains about the latter
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14:09 < lts> This works for me https://cryptpad.disroot.org/pad/#/2/pad/view/apfNYuholOArlMgsyQr4MrlKVde8uWAmgSA12gDdXiE/
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14:10 < ssm_> -s/https protocol/http protocol/
14:11 < lts> Hmm, whoops, looks like I have X-XSS-Protection enabled there. Better turn it off.
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14:15 < ssm_> but think about the windows 3.1 users
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15:41 < polarian> its just occurred to me 
15:41 < polarian> theres no way to do a pass to WAN only 
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15:45 < sibiria> wdym? because you don't know what your WAN interface is, or because you may have multiple interfaces in your egress group?
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15:50 < polarian> sibiria: sure you can just pass out on WAN
15:50 < polarian> but say you want an interface to ONLY pass to WAN
15:50 < polarian> aka isolating different netwroks
15:51 < sibiria> you don't have to "pass to any". you can pass to ! { $private_networks_etc }
15:51 < polarian> yes :)
15:51 < polarian> thats the only way to do it
15:51 < polarian> but now add a new private network
15:51 < polarian> you must update all the rules :p
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15:51 < sibiria> use tables
15:51 < polarian> tables are nice, but merging tables isnt possible :p
15:51 < polarian> a feature I would love
15:51 < polarian> to have subtables
15:52 < polarian> so that if you specify a table within a table it appends them into one 
15:52 < sibiria> it is
15:52 < sibiria> table <poop> persist file this.txt file that.txt
15:52 < sibiria> etc.
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16:00 < polarian> sibiria: no thats not merging 
16:00 < polarian> I cant reference a table within a table
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16:01 < polarian> sorry that is merging
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16:01 < polarian> ahh
16:01 < sibiria> they combine to a single table
16:01 < sibiria> and it will be optimized
16:01 < polarian> hmm..
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16:01 < polarian> but say I have foo = { 1, 2, 3, 4 } and bar = { 5, 6, 7, 8 } you cant do baz = { foo, bar }
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16:01 < polarian> which would be VERY useful
16:02 < sibiria> you can do { <some table> <another table> }
16:03 < polarian> ...
16:03 < polarian> I was told you cant...
16:03 < sibiria> you can't put a group inside a group, but you don't need to
16:03 < polarian> ah right 
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16:03 < sibiria> this="1 2 3 4"    that="5 6 7 8"    { $this $that }
16:03 < polarian> hmm isnt group more efifcient to make more of
16:03 < sibiria> the parser makes tables out of them when necessary
16:04 < sibiria> you can see what's really being used by enumerating the ruleset:  pfctl -s rules
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16:04 < sibiria> with enough entries you'll see pf automatically create its own tables
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16:05 < sibiria> <automatic 0x12345678> (or named something like that)
16:05 < sibiria> don't worry about the PPS or memory usage until you're in the territory of "enormous"
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16:08 < polarian> lol
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16:08 < polarian> sibiria: anyways in which case, cant you have a table for WAN addresses, which is just ! bogon table 
16:08 < polarian> lol
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16:09 < sibiria> you can
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16:09 < sibiria> it's how both the antispoofing convenience function works, and how people manually solve it
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16:09 < polarian> which is what I wanted to do but I was told its no tpossible
16:09 < sibiria> from the same people who told you santa claus was real, i presume
16:09 < polarian> but in which case with a wan table, yuo dont need to worry about blocking between ifaces
16:09 < polarian> you just allow the iface to only pass to WAN
16:09 < polarian> and default block
16:10 < polarian> boom
16:10 < polarian> you can add more ifaces freely without needing to block between them 
16:10 < polarian> as block all will do that
16:10 < sibiria> i mean if you wish you can also turn it around and add only the entire ipv4 unicast ranges, but...
16:10 < polarian> sibiria: I dont want to do that, because you would want to exclude non-routable addresses, which is annoying
16:10 < polarian> just inverting the non-routable IPv4 addresses works
16:11 < sibiria> maybe there's a language barrier here. to me, passing to "WAN only" is the negative set of bogons and private networks etc., and it needs to be no more complicated than that
16:11 < polarian> yes
16:11 < polarian> exactly
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16:11 < polarian> we are in agreement 
16:11 < sibiria> thus your problem is solved
16:12 < polarian> well not really a problem, its more me thinking of optimisations :p
16:12 < polarian> I am always thinking about how to reduce the number of rules in my filewall
16:12 < polarian> firewall*
16:12 < polarian> I am currently doing a contract for a company to vlan their network, and they use pfsense
16:12 < polarian> which this is not possible to do
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16:12 < sibiria> i hear ya. one or two rules against one table is pretty slim
16:12 < polarian> and I was thinking "wow this is annoying blocking talk between networks" 
16:12 < polarian> so thats what got me thinking
16:13 < polarian> in raw pf how would you do this the most optimal way
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16:13 < polarian> and hence this discussion was sparked :p
16:13 < polarian> s/talk/packets/
16:13 < sibiria> i personally also prefer to do things the opposite way of what's shown in the official PF FAQ. i begin with quick-ing the types of traffic most expected
16:13 < sibiria> but pf is pretty fast so one way or the other you'll need heavy volumes before this becomes a concern
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16:16 < polarian> sibiria: its not about heavy volume, its about scalability and maintainability
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16:16 < polarian> less rules, less burden 
16:16 < polarian> also more secure...
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16:16 < polarian> I have wanted to do a complete overhaul of my pf config on my router for a while now 
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16:17 < polarian> its mainly written about 4 years ago when I was much younger
16:17 < polarian> Knowing everything I do now and having years of experience with pf, I am sure I could write a much more secure and simple firewall
16:17 < polarian> I still havent played with anchors tbh 
16:17 < polarian> never really felt the need
16:17 < polarian> I thought about using anchors for one of my servers though 
16:17 < polarian> freebsd based
16:18 < polarian> anchor the firewall for each separate jail
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16:18 < polarian> therefore the main file is mainly for the host, and afaik its all merged into one big conf, so I can still use macros from the main file
16:18 < polarian> within the anchors
16:19 < polarian> but actually anchors might not be so useful
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18:13 < welcome> HELO
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18:14 < welcome> Where is -current gone?
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18:15 < ivdsangen> what do you mean?
18:15 < welcome> well, I looked in ftp.opemnbsd.org, and I can't find it
18:16 < welcome> *openbsd
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18:17 < welcome> I'm hoping, for a bit of context, to try and see if my MediaTek wifi card will now work with it
18:18 < welcome> I was thinking, perhaps everyone is having a rest or something
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18:21 < ivdsangen> i dont know about your card, but if you want to try -current there are snapshots on ftp, not sure what you mean with you cant find -current
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18:24 < welcome> aaah, snapshots, ... I remember now
18:24 < welcome> thankyou
18:25 < welcome> hee hee
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18:28 < ivdsangen> no problem, you probably want to read https://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html 
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18:46 < morpho> how can i set an environment variable for just one process-user
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18:48 < welcome> is it not enough to just start a terminal, logged in for that user and set it in the export list?
18:48 < morpho> its a nologin user
18:49 < welcome> k
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18:49 < morpho> just for running a service
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18:53 < uwharrie> see login.conf(5)
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19:47 < cation> I have a device that I use OpenBSD on, and I set `set tty com0` in /etc/boot.conf. The strange thing with this one (in comparison to other devices I've had OpenBSD on) is that OpenBSD will wait for the serial console to become active (by connecting it to my computer) before it will continue to boot. Is there a way I can tell OpenBSD not to wait for a connection on the console, and just continue booting?
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19:50 < cation> my workaround is to comment out `set tty com0`, but I don't like that
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20:07 < vortexx> cation: dles t
20:07 < vortexx> does this device have a gfx card too'
20:07 < vortexx> ?
20:07 < vortexx> damn typing is hard tonight :/
20:07 < cation> nope no graphics
20:08 < cation> it's a router
20:08 < cation> (Protectli VP2420)
20:08 < thrig> problem exists between keyboard and wrists
20:08 < vortexx> that is very odd indeed
20:08 < vortexx> thrig: yes that's usually it
20:09 < vortexx> cation: back in the day people used resistors wired to serial connectors to deal with stuff like that
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20:11 < cation> oh, it does have integrated graphics - "Intel® UHD Graphics for 10th Gen, 1x HDMI 1.4, 1x DP 1.4" but no discrete card
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20:12 < vortexx> I've not heard of a setting in boot.conf for that issue, is there a bios/firmware setting maybe?
20:12 < cation> nothing stood out to me
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20:15 < vortexx> what if you stick boot in /etc/boot.conf ? Not ideal but maybe it'll boot anyway that way?
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20:16 < vortexx> this device having graphics is probably the problem
20:18 < cation> I haven't tried adding boot to it
20:18 < cation> it'll boot if I comment out `set tty com0`
20:18 < cation> without having to be connected to the serial console
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20:18 < vortexx> might be worth keeping set tty com0 cos otherwise when you connect your cable you won't have a prompt
20:19 < vortexx> well
20:19 < vortexx> that can be set in /etc/ttys if need be
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20:20 < cation> yeah that's why I don't like having it commented out :( but if I don't comment it and the machine reboots, it won't finish booting until I connect to the console
20:21 < vortexx> try having both 'boot' and 'set tty com0' in /etc/boot.conf just to see if it'll boot on it's own with that?
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20:22 < cation> okay, I'll try that later
20:22 < gipa> cation: have you tried specifying the stty option in boot.conf too?
20:22 < cation> yes I have stty in there too
20:23 < cation> I have `stty com0 115200` and `#set tty com0` currently, and I've been uncommenting the second line and rebooting if I need the console for something
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