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00:27 < grimpeux> has there been a statement from the openbsd project re compliance with the upcoming california age verification law?
00:28 < morpho> the foundation is based in canada
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00:29 < morpho> somebody already asked in mailing list
00:30 < grimpeux> ive been trying to find the thread on the lists
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00:31 < mischief> grimpeux: Subject: URGENT: Age Verification Laws
00:31 < mischief> it's in -misc.
00:32 < grimpeux> oh got it
00:32 < grimpeux> thanks
00:32 < grimpeux> a lot
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00:44 < grimpeux> Kevin does have a way with words.  I like his style.  
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00:46 < kevin> different kevin here, but i just found said -misc post and hereby endorse it on behalf of all kevins
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00:47 < grimpeux> :D 
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00:52 < thrig> Canada, eh
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00:55 < dg> This operating system contains code known to the State of California to cause swearing
00:58 < grimpeux> this has got to be in all headers now.
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01:02 < thrig> age verification is otherwise a clever way to say cattle tracker
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03:23 < iurirs> as I read, the Brazilian law has a bar on "ease of access" of the tech product by under-18s
03:23 < iurirs> even if that law were effective in here, it wouldn't apply to OpenBSD
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08:03 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20260311062921 it's -Dsnap time again
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08:04 < vortexx> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/log/src/etc/root/root.mail,v
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08:26 < rueda> It's not "-D snap" time yet.  That's for when it moves to version "7.9" before release.
08:26 < rueda> It doesn't hurt, though (of course).
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10:31 < jab> weird question... 
10:31 < jab> I am currently currently running OpenBSD current.
10:31 < jab> Is it possible to switch to running release ? with the next release ?
10:31 < zelest> I did that on my APU2 once.. no idea if it's officially supported though
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10:33 < jab> zelest: how would one go about going it ?  
10:34 < jab> sysupgrade  when the release drops ?
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10:34 < zelest> I didn't sysupgrade for a while before the release.. then I did a manual upgrade to release, assuming my current was behind the release
10:34 < zelest> you won't be able to sysupgrade to it iirc
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10:38 < vortexx> jab: it's possible but not supported officially. Basically wait for the next release to get out of beta, sysupgrade -s to that and do the sysmerge etc, then do a regular sysupgrade
10:38 < vortexx> I've done it before too
10:39 < vortexx> if the regular sysupgrade fails do as zelest said
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10:54 < dg> in previous cases a snapshot a few weeks before the release has actually been the release
10:55 < zelest> yep
10:56 < dg> and you can confirm via checksums of /var/db/installed.SHA256 once it's released
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16:58 < cation> vortexx: I tried adding `boot` to /etc/boot.conf, it didn't help
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16:59 < cation> also, it seemed to boot if I had a display connected
16:59 < cation> after a delay at "switching console to com0"
16:59 < cation> but I did not test that extensively
17:00 < cation> so it seems it's not booting if it can't find a terminal of some kind connected...
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17:06 < ssm_> When using relayd with httpd, will I need to configure tls on both relayd and httpd, or just relayd?
17:06 < pardis> that depends on what you mean by "with" and how exactly traffic is going
17:06 < pardis> if relayd is a reverse proxy in front of httpd, you don't need TLS in httpd
17:07 < pardis> if they are both listening on ports accepting HTTPS traffic from remote clients, then obviously you need TLS in both
17:07 < ssm_> makes sense, it's configured as a reverse proxy
17:07 < ssm_> guess something botched elsewhere in my config...
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17:10 < vortexx> cation: sorry to hear that, I think your hw isn't up to the task. Any chance you have something that can act like a terminal server and leave the console cable plugged in permanently?
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17:11 < cation> my desktop maybe, haha
17:11 < cation> I was hoping it wouldn't come to that
17:11 < cation> yeah it seems to be something with this hardware in particular + openbsd
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17:27 < vortexx> cation: or buy a secondhand APU2 and use it for that? 
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17:34 < vortexx> APU2 is 10W, your desktop, >100W ? plus can't be left on all the time, do you have a network card than can be sent the magic packet to wake on lan?
17:34 < vortexx> ( I presume it's not left on all the time)
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19:30 < cation> haha vortexx, I sold both of my APUs just this week
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19:31 < cation> I leave my desktop on all the time but I was joking about that :) I just commented out `set tty com0` again, I guess I will have to live with this
19:32 < cation> it's annoying that I don't know if it's an OpenBSD or a hardware problem (and the vendor has not been very helpful as they don't officially support OpenBSD) but it's okay
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19:36 < gipa> cation: I use a Protectli FW4B but now that I think... I have FDE so I never booted without serial or hdmi attached
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21:56 < mischief> cation: maybe the serial driver waits for the CTS signal on the line?
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21:59 < vortexx> cation: now that's unfortunate. for the APUs. terminal servers are an old old requirement but worth having if possible
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23:30 < cation> good question mischief, I hope not ...
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23:33 < cation> yeah vortexx I used an APU2 as my firewall/router (with OpenBSD on it) for maybe 7 years, it was great but wireguard connections terminated on it were too slow
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23:57 < vortexx> I can imagine yeah. My APU6 is still on duty, I really need to replace it
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23:58 < vortexx> my Dad's APU2 is now the gateway router for the Free Software Saturdays I help organise once a month in my area, mostly linux oriented but I'm going to show them OpenBSD next time
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23:59 < cation> nice
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