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06:19 < cgnarne> why is that? disk size should not be a problem. i have much smaller systems, one of my vms has a 10g disk.
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06:58 < vortexx> that sounds odd waffles 
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09:12 < waffles> its an old computer vortexx one of these drives has literal rust on it
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09:23 < vortexx> waffles: might be dying then
09:24 < vortexx> did you find how to boot the installed OS then?
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09:30 < morpho> ahhh reading broken drive is not fun
09:30 < morpho> can you even read disk health off it?
09:31 < vortexx> atactl can help
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09:31 < vortexx> (boot the iso, mount the drive to /mnt2, chroot /mnt2 /bin/ksh and you can use it)
09:32 < vortexx> (well the drive with the OS on that is)
09:33 < morpho> do you really need the files off it?
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09:41 < waffles> no i got this computer as is so i just ordered an ssd and im gonna swap it 
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09:48 < morpho> ive found ssds in the trash before
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12:21 < waffles> ok lets figure out why 120gb isnt enough to install openbsd...
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12:29 < waffles> so what its doing when i do auto partition is itscreating a 67mb partition, a 60mb partition, and a 1mb partition and thats the entire drive
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12:31 < mischief> does dmesg report the right disk size?
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12:34 < sibiria> (a)uto layout truly considered harmful
12:35 < waffles> what layout should i pick instead
12:36 < sibiria> do it manually, unfortunately
12:36 < waffles> well ya i just dont know what macppc needs
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13:11 < vortexx> waffles: sounds like fdisk isn't reading the disk size properly
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13:41 < waffles> yeah probably not
13:41 < waffles> im gonna swap these drives out tho theyre fkn ancient
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14:30 < itush> can someone confirm succesfull install on vmm (7.8 on N5105) alpine linux v3.23.3 using https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html#VMMnet option #4
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14:34 < sibiria> i used to run alpine in vmd on my N5105, with normal local interface on the host side
14:34 < sibiria> you will need to run the "virtual" edition of alpine
14:35 < sibiria> it's a few years back, but when i still used alpine the "standard" edition would not boot
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14:40 < itush> i tried both standard and virtual no network
14:40 < itush> but v3.22.3 all work
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14:43 < itush> it give me headache for couple days becouse it was worked before just not remember what alpine version
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15:42 < ff104> hi, i have a new pc w/ an amd processor. seeing tearing/stuttering
15:43 < ff104> artifacting during video playback both local & on the web. typically run intel integrated graphics for my workstations without issue. not exactly sure what's going on. pastebin here with output configs & troubleshooting. anyone with more experience w/ amd graphics maybe could point me right? thanks https://termbin.com/u3aiq
15:47 < sibiria> you gotta tweak your x.org config a bit. as for video playback on the web, you will need ffmpeg installed to get access to libavcodec to do hardware decoding, but with firefox you will unfortunately still be stuck at 40 fps maximum display updates which will come across as stuttering every now and then
15:50 < sibiria> one sec, will dig out the x.org stuff you're missing
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15:52 < byteskeptical> ff104: don't need teh 20-amdgpu.conf, for mpv you can try vulkan for hwdec, and for gpu try vo=gpu-next,gpu,vaapi
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15:53 < sibiria> it's needed for all screen updates, whether software- or hardware-decoded video
15:53 < byteskeptical> ff104: your sysctl shminfo values are large for shmmax and shmall
15:53 < byteskeptical> sibiria: wasn't aware of a firefox fps limit though not saying your wrong
15:54 < byteskeptical> ff104: do you have any changes in about:config in your firefox?
15:54 < sibiria> it's a bug with openbsd's build of firefox. chromium isn't affected
15:54 < byteskeptical> if he has mpv and vlc I assume he has ffmpeg installed as well
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15:55 < ff104> yes, I have ffmpeg, libavcodec as well
15:56 < ff104> only created the sysctl.conf to address this issue, can adjust the values
15:57 < ff104> well maybe I don't have libavcodec. got these: libva-utils-2.22.0 libvorbis-1.3.7
15:57 < sibiria> ff104: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/e710a163
15:58 < byteskeptical> ff104: I figured and those values are probably not helping, why the h264 plugin in firefox? Also assuming you fw_update after install?
15:58 < sibiria> tuck that in, and restart your X session - or possibly restart xenodm entirely, not sure
15:59 < sibiria> you might need to rename it "10-amdgpu.conf" actually. i can't recall how X behaves with the names of files it finds in all the various paths it traverses
15:59 < sibiria> it's a total mess
16:00 < ff104> okay i'll give that a shot and disable picom and other tweaks for now. yeah def fw_updated. $pkg_info -m  amd-firmware-20250708 amdgpu-firmware-20260309 amdsev-firmware-20260110.
16:01 < sibiria> the base system config file is /usr/X11R6/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-amdgpu.conf and basically this is the file and options you want to supplant, because they are missing the necessary options to enable vertical syncing which is what's causing the tearing
16:02 < byteskeptical> sibiria: reading his xorg.log he has Acceleration enabled, SYNC extension fences enabled, Direct rendering enabled, and both hsync, and vsync enabled on his monitor: Modeline "2560x1440"x60.0  241.50  2560 2608 2640 2720  1440 1443 1448 1481 +hsync +vsync (88.8 kHz eP)
16:04 < ff104> byteskeptical: I made one change to about:config in FF, trying to track down what it was
16:04 < sibiria> looks enabled, but if he's seeing tearing...
16:05 < ff104> I probably ought to normalize all the changes I made last night and grab new output to make sure where I'm at
16:05 < ff104> there may have been beer involved
16:05 < sibiria> try adding the file i linked in my pastebin (and name it 10-amdgpu.conf)
16:05 < ff104> 10-4
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16:06 < sibiria> (and make sure it and the path is world-readable)
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16:09 < ff104> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  312 Mar 16 08:58 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-amdgpu.conf 
16:09 < ff104> rebooting
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16:09 < byteskeptical> just a heads up you can enable TearFree with xandr without a reboot: xrandr --output output --set TearFree on
16:10 < ssm_> int arresting
16:10 < sibiria> long john;
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16:11 < ssm_> doesn't work for me
16:11 < ssm_> yes I substituted output for my real output (eDP-1)
16:11 < ssm_> X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)
16:12 < ssm_> shame because there's some rare usecases I'd like to disable tearfree during runtime maybe
16:12 < ssm_> (game/xonotic)
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16:15 < ff104> byteskeptical: yes. what I've just done was: comment out the xrandr command in my .xsession that included that TearFree flag you mentioned, disabled picom, and created the 10-amdgpu.conf ssibiria recommended. (get back to sort of a clean state.) yeah the issue is present with this configuration. could try screwing with xrandr now
16:15 < ff104> (and i restarted for good measure)
16:16 < sibiria> is it a discrete AMD graphics card?
16:16 < ff104> no, Ryzen 7 5700G integrated graphics
16:16 < sibiria> admittedly i only run openbsd on Ryzen APUs with integrated graphics. that's the only type of AMD platform i know my config fixes tearing on
16:18 < ff104> i believe 10-amdgpu.conf is the corrrect way to name the config
16:19 < sibiria> probably needs the same file name to "overwrite" the base one in /usr/ yeah
16:19 < ssm_> my gpu is intel iris xe, maybe that's why I can't toggle tearfree
16:19 < byteskeptical> I believe it's driver specific, xrandr --prop to see current options
16:20 < ff104> xrandr --prop https://termbin.com/r0m8 
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16:21 < ssm_> yeah no tearfree on my end. tearfree works though, but only if set in xorg.conf
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16:27 < sibiria> ff104: but just to confirm the vsync setting itself, if you just move a window (xterm or whatever) sideways back and forth around on the desktop, does it still tear?
16:31 < ff104> sibiria: yea def tears. xrandr --prop indicates: TearFree: on (or off if I issue a command to disable it) but I don't see any change
16:31 < sibiria> hm, that is strange, and disappointing
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16:33 < ff104> yea, intel apu's were always a breeze 
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16:54 < ff104> [   373.069] (II) AMDGPU(0): Use GLAMOR acceleration. 
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16:55 < ff104> i think yesterday some AI told me to indicate glamor in the 10-amdgpu.conf
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16:56 < ff104> ah nevermind. [    27.030] (II) AMDGPU(0): glamor X acceleration enabled on AMD Radeon Graphics (radeonsi, renoir, ACO, DRM 3.61, 7.8
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17:05 < deimosBSD> almost every "AI" system assumes openbsd is linux
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17:17 < ff104> deimosBSD: yeah, it's a boxing match trying to stay on track and extract and BSD specific info
17:18 < ff104> s/and/any
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17:29 < thrig> tbf a non-zero number of humans have wondered what distro openbsd is
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17:49 < ssm_> fish linux
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18:23 < waffles> alright so the ssd has the same problem
18:23 < waffles> openbsd is trying to allocate like 120mb of space on a 256gb disk for some reason
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19:00 < deepesttoaster> waffles: is it possible there's still some partition data or other blocking data somewhere on the drive? Maybe dd over the whole drive with urandom and try again?
19:01 < waffles> this is a brand new drive so openbsd had to initialize it
19:01 < waffles> but whats weird is it does this with a second drive too just not my third drive
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19:01 < deepesttoaster> weird, I have seen oddities from new drives with other OS's so I always randomize a drive before first use now.
19:02 < waffles> yeah not sure what thats about tbh
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19:04 < deepesttoaster> Yeah, I don't have a reason for it, I just know it has solve weird behavior on other systems. No "logic" behind it, just experience that may not translate to what you've got :-)
19:04 < vortexx> waffles: is there any possible way you can get us fdisk and dmesg ?
19:04 < vortexx> s/fdisk/fdisk info
19:05 < waffles> whats the exact command i had trouble finding that
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19:12 < deimosBSD> doas disklabel -p g (disk name here)
19:12 < vortexx> if your ssd is sd0, it should be fdisk sd0
19:12 < vortexx> (wd0 otherwise)
19:14 < deimosBSD> doas fdisk -v (sd0 or wd0)
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19:15 < deimosBSD> both of my commands are just reading what's on the drive, non-destructive
19:15 < waffles> sd0 device not configured, wd0 no such file or directory
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19:29 < deimosBSD> uhh, sysctl hw.disknames perhaps
19:30 < deimosBSD> it should return something like "hw.disknames=sd0:xxxxxxx"
19:30 < deimosBSD> or maybe nothing since it can't find (sd|wd)0
19:30 < waffles> ive got cd0 wd0 and rd0
19:31 < deimosBSD> but fdisk/disklabel for wd0 returns an error?
19:32 < waffles> it shows up now idk why it didnt before
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19:33 < waffles> i guess i can create partitions now just need to figure out how to do that
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19:36 < deimosBSD> is this a new install or new drive on existing install?
19:36 < waffles> new install new drive new computer
19:37 < deimosBSD> just use the automated installer, or is that the issue?
19:37 < deimosBSD> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html
19:37 < waffles> yeah automated installer is only giving me like 120mb of space for some reason
19:39 < waffles> https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/macppc/INSTALL.macppc
19:39 < waffles> this page doesnt really give examples of suitable partition schemes or how to apply them
19:40 < deimosBSD> oh, this is on a mac ppc
19:42 < waffles> what im seeing is create partition "a" as 4.2bsd and b as swap, but no boot partition either
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19:43 < cgnarne> waffles: auto partioning is supposed to be suitable enough. that's why there isn't anything in INSTALL
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19:43 < waffles> yeah so do i file a bug report on the auto partition
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19:45 < waffles> i do see an error on auto partitioning it says newfs msdos /dev/r000000000 no such file or directory
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19:46 < waffles> unused reads 68mb so it thinks my drive is 68mb
19:47 < waffles> when its actually reading my drive before i auto layout it, it reports 137gb which is about accurate
19:47 < cgnarne> i'm getting confused here. is 120 or 68 MB?
19:48 < waffles> itd be helpful if i just showed u a picture of whats going on here
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19:49 < waffles> https://i.postimg.cc/htJsGx8m/20260316-154844.jpg
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19:54 < cgnarne> okay, that looks weird. yes
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20:00 < ff104> waffles: maybe E(dit) layout then select (C)hange to disable each partion by setting them to (00) then (w)rite (q)uit and see what the auto-allocated layout shows
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20:15 < ff104> i showed your pic to a crappy "AI", indicating this is a 256gb disk in a powermac G5. It claims that the OpenBSD installer is only seeing ~68mb total becuase the G5's "OpenFirmware (bios) is reporting fake tiny geometry. It states that the firmware was built before 256gb were common and that it might not be able to read 48-bit LBA (needed for anything over 137GB), so it is falling back to
20:15 < ff104> 1024/8/17 "classic maximum safe fallback 1024 cylinders x 8 heads x 17 sectors x 512 byes = exactly 71 299 328 bytes or ~68 MB". g5's apparently use SATA I controllers and the openfirmware version was never updated for larger drives. I asked for sources and it looks like it may be telling the truth. 
20:16 < ff104> It can browse mac forums and reddit but not fix my screen tearing :p
20:17 < cgnarne> the stochastic parrot may be right about this. bleh
20:17 < vortexx> could well be
20:17 < vortexx> I was going to suggest to try a different controller
20:17 < vortexx> ie, get a ssd with an IDE connector (they exist) and plug it on the ide controller this machine should have
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20:18 < sibiria> ide-to-sata adapter is also cheap, couple of dollars
20:19 < sibiria> (same in opposite direction, or bidirectionally)
20:20 < ff104> ya. "modern sata III drives or ssd's often don't downshift cleanly or return to full 48-bit info to the old firmware, triggering the exact CHS fallback you're seeing."
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20:24 < ff104> seems like people on mac forums get 1-2tb drives going in macOS but. "the firmware probe in the OpenBSD installer is more sensitive than the full macOS+ kernel"
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20:25 < ff104> cgnarne: stochastic parrot is perfect description
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20:28 < gipa> waffles: shouldn't you choose the "Use (W)hole disk" instead of "OpenBSD" in that prompt?
20:29 < sibiria> if you have one drive, and you're booting the miniroot from that drive, you should
20:30 < sibiria> common mistake also to select the USB memory one booted the installer off of
20:30 < waffles> i knew youd say that gipa 
20:30 < waffles> i chose that the first time with the same result
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20:45 < ff104> bought the cheapest most basic 1080p display off amazon and with a slightly santized 10-amdgpu.conf, video playback is now looking pretty acceptible. i think the problem was fancy gAmiNg mOniTor 
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20:52 < vortexx> ff104: that got delivered quickly. Could well be the monitor then
20:54 < vortexx> sibiria: waffles is booting the iso as it's a PowerMac G5 and I'm not sure that boots off usb
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20:55 < waffles> im doing dvd learned that lesson a while ago lol
20:56 < waffles> with old macs just dont even bother with usb boot
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20:58 < cgnarne> waffles: the g5 uses SATA and you got an ssd for it, right? what kind of SATA SSD did you get?
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21:01 < vortexx> waffles: quick idea, get yellowdog linux or whatever linux that'll boot on your machine, create an OpenBSD partition from that, then try the installer again? 
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21:26 < waffles> cgnarne: some cheap chinese thing called colorful
21:26 < waffles> i actually have like 3 drives ive tried to install openbsd on now only 1 of them read correctly
21:26 < waffles> but that drive is almost completely dead so the installer wouldnt boot
21:26 < waffles> or rather the installed environment
21:27 < waffles> problem with the opensbd installer though is it wont just let me keep my layout if i did fdisk it itd try to partition it again and id have to do that within the installer
21:28 < cgnarne> maybe the problem is that chinese crap and not openbsd?
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21:32 < ff104> waffles: did you skim the stochastic parrot information provided earlier?
21:33 < cgnarne> maybe the parrot is lying. i found this: https://happymacs.wordpress.com/2025/06/22/getting-powermac-g5-to-see-sata-iii-hdd/
21:33 < ff104> vortexx: ya I ordered one the other day just happened to show up
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21:34 < ff104> cgnarne: interesting
21:34 < cgnarne> could be a problem with SATA I vs SATA ll or III
21:35 < cgnarne> dunno, just guessing at this point
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21:42 < jfsimon> Good evening, Sorry to bother, may i ask a quick check off topic, run/startup a win appp that i build on VS/C++, only popping a Serial console gui. I want check if it miss any dll outside the build environment, it should not, but i on't have currently the test setup for it.
21:43 < jfsimon> Avail here https://micro-studioplc.com/clv001/clsoft.zip and how it looks https://micro-studioplc.com/clv001/clv001_ds.pdf
21:46 < waffles> oh ff104 i can see the drive just fine and it initially reports correctly
21:46 < waffles> idk why its trying to format to such a low amount of storage it might be bugged
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21:47 < byteskeptical> jfsimon: you're in the wrong place
21:49 < quinq> Isn't this fish windows?
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21:49 < jfsimon> Yes sorry
21:49 < jfsimon> It's a win app
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21:50 < byteskeptical> at least you're serving it with httpd but I'm not sure what your trying to do looks very shady
21:51 < jfsimon> Yep it is hosted on my domain that runs obsd
21:51 < jfsimon> n/p just a quick hand otherwise it will wait thursday.
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21:52 < byteskeptical> then stop what you're doing and go work on your project on your own infra
21:52 < jfsimon> I mean some people will hepl me, i don't have a Win machine for tests only at this point.
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21:54 < byteskeptical> jfsimon: they have windows boxes on OVH stop this none sense
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22:03 < ff104> jfsimon: let me check this out because I ALWAYS download strange zip files and PDFs 
22:04 < ff104> especially on windows
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