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03:57 < mlw> Hi, does anyone have any hints on where I can find up-to-date information for configuring scanning on OpenBSD? 
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04:03 < oldlaptop> sane-backends' pkg_readme covers most of that waterfront
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04:03 < echelon> http://www.sane-project.org/sane-backends.html
04:04 < oldlaptop> (nothing wrong with upstream's documentation, but you will want to read the pkg_readme in this case)
04:06 < mlw> And that is reachable via "pkg_readme sane-backends"? "man sane-backends"?
04:06 < oldlaptop> or I should say pkg-readme (if you're not aware, look in /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes - as pkg_add should tell you when you install a package that has one, unless I'm really misremembering)
04:07 < oldlaptop> (look in /usr/local/share/doc in general)
04:08 < mlw> Found it
04:08 < mlw> was in /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes
04:08 < oldlaptop> services like openports.pl will generally show the template for the -current version of a port's pkg-readme, which will be missing *some* stuff (not substituted) that is sometimes important
04:09 < mlw> Thank you very much. I will see if I can now get this working. I know my scanner is detected.
04:10 < oldlaptop> (as in https://openports.pl/path/graphics/sane-backends - you could infer what $TRUEPREFIX is, but better to read the installed file and not have the question come up)
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08:05 < avemestr> mlw already left... FWIW a lot of people have network-connected scanners (multi-function) nowadays and e.g. Brother devices can be setup to scan to an SFTP server. Might be the easiest way to simply let the scanner dump scanned documents somewhere with an SSH account.
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09:18 < vortexx> I use simple-scan in linux for that, and it's a package too
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16:15 < polarian> ugh 
16:16 < polarian> unbound is moving from mailing list to discourse
16:16 < polarian> thats annoying...
16:19 < thrig> apparently there's a discord client getting added to ports, which may be less of a cringe-fest than the discord app or via a bloat browser
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16:21 < sibiria> did you mean Discourse (the forum software) or Discord?
16:22 < morpho> were a dying breed
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16:23 < sibiria> thrig: finally we can have our discussion output data-mined in a sleak and lean manner
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16:24 < sibiria> sleek*
16:25 < morpho> i thought unbound was part of openbsd
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16:26 < sibiria> it's part of the base system. it's not an openbsd project
16:26 < vortexx> just like nsd is
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16:27 < morpho> like tmux? do obsd devs just maintain their own patches or do they get sent upstream
16:28 < pardis> not like tmux, tmux is an OpenBSD project
16:28 < polarian> sibiria: discourse, the forum software
16:28 < polarian> thrig: I couldn't give a toss about Discord tbh
16:29 < polarian> morpho: NSD and unbound are maintained by nlnet 
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16:30 < polarian> morpho: they are imported into the OpenBSD src tree
16:30 < polarian> there might be modifications 
16:30 < polarian> afaik unbound isn't yet pledged/unveiled
16:30 < polarian> it is chrooted though
16:31 < polarian> (correct me if I am wrong about pledge/unveil)O
16:33 < phy1729> STAT is Sc here, so yes chrooted not pledged or unveiled
16:33 < polarian> https://lists.nlnetlabs.nl/pipermail/unbound-users/2026-March/008697.html
16:33 < polarian> phy1729: would be cool if unbound was pledged/unveiled
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16:34 < phy1729> Lot of code to review for not breaking anything and iirc unbound has a module system (dunno if those are compile time or run time)
16:35 < morpho> https://github.com/cisco/mlspp
16:37 < morpho> i dont use signal but this is like a protocol derived from it
16:37 < morpho> hate using anything but irc and email lol
16:38 < sibiria> from the network- and security company that brought us so many network security-related bloopers and exploits
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16:46 < morpho> yeah :/ im not convinved
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16:50 < morpho> whats better than irc
16:50 < sibiria> as a medium in itself? discord, absolutely
16:50 < Bradipo> Depends on what one considers "better".
16:51 < sibiria> jabber (xmpp) is also better, technically
16:51 < Bradipo> What are the criteria for "better"?
16:51 < morpho> i actually dont like how discord is multimedia and people just use it to send 'funny' cartoon pictures
16:53 < morpho> irc is not e2e, i have seen bouncers that can do content encryption between compatible clients through irc
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16:54 < sibiria> FiSH is a thing. not a great thing, but something
16:54 < vergil> Hello. Hopefully a straightforward resolution on this. I have a freshly installed 7.8 installation on a Thinkpad T450S. The system boots fine, and the intel drivers seem to be loading fine but the screen is incredibly dark. It has good lighting/visibility through most of the boot process, so something is changing along the way. `wsconsctl display.brightness` is 100% as well. I'm not sure where to
16:54 < vergil> start effectively troubleshooting this one. 
16:54 < Bradipo> IRC can do e2e for individuals using OTR.
16:54 < sibiria> using jabber/xmpp with omemo is better
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16:56 < Bradipo> vergil: Is the dark screen for both console and X?
16:56 < vergil> Additional: the console is also dark when I flip over to that, so I *think* it's not X11
16:56 < vergil> Bradipo: mind reader. Yes, the console is similarly dark. 
16:56 < sibiria> OTR is a better choice than FiSH, but it's a deprecated and not entirely rigid protocol
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16:57 < morpho> does otr do metadata anonymizing? 
16:58 < morpho> or is it just encrypting the message body?
16:58 < lts> Internet search finds quite a lot of topics about T450S and brightness issues with the firmware/drivers
16:58 < sibiria> there's really no metadata to discuss when it comes to messages over IRC
16:59 < sibiria> OTR itself only encrypts and authenticates a message
16:59 < vergil> Interesting. Disabling X11 on boot leaves the console in good shape visibility wise. So I've at least narrowed it down to something-something-X11
17:00 < lts> https://www.unitedbsd.com/d/539-brightness-keys-not-working-on-openbsd might interest you
17:00 < morpho> ah, otr cant do group encryption
17:04 < sibiria> you may want to look into xmpp and omemo, unless IRC is the only venue you want to use
17:04 < vergil> lts: definitely of interest, but unfortunately doesn't have a solve. My symptoms pretty much match. Interestingly enough, the console is fine until I invoke X11 (e.g. ran startx, and when the display came up darkness ensued)
17:05 < lts> The way I read it is that the linked intel_backlight_fbsd works for the user, and that github repository indeed says it builds for openbsd too
17:06 < vergil> lts: And yeah, I've found a good amount of information in an internet search, but the S/N ratio is a bit high. I was hoping that it was something that humans could validate. 
17:06 < humm> vergil: and when the Xserver dies it stays dark?
17:06 < vergil> lts: True, I can give that a try. They had mentioned not wanting to take that route, so I assumed it was ruled out.
17:06 < vergil> humm: that's correct. 
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17:15 < morpho> sibiria: https://nlnet.nl/project/XMPP-MLS/
17:18 < sibiria> OMEMO does that
17:18 < sibiria> on a client-to-client level basis, without the server being actively involved
17:20 < sibiria> or, well, metadata is still available since OMEMO relays "regular messages"
17:20 < sibiria> but if you don't trust the XMPP server...
17:21 < vergil> lts: One git clone, compile, and sysctl update later and... it works. `intel_backlight 100`
17:22 < vergil> For whatever reason X11 sets the brightness to 1 when it fires up
17:22 < lts> \o/
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17:23 < humm> sibiria: if you don’t trust the server, you still want to communicate
17:24 < humm> good e2ee ought to be normalized
17:25 < sibiria> OMEMO is e2e..
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17:26 < humm> yes, leaking a bunch of metadata
17:26 < sibiria> but the server(s) will still see that you, user, are sending messages to someon else, also user
17:26 < sibiria> that is the metadata
17:26 < sibiria> xmpp isn't tox. you have to have a registered account SOMEWHERE
17:27 < sibiria> and that somewhere must indisputably know who messages whom
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17:28 < morpho> mls scales better to 100s of users in a group apparently
17:28  * morpho shrugs
17:28 < morpho> ive not tested either myself
17:28 < phy1729> Or you have a relatively constant stream of chaff messages, but this isn't terribly topical
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17:29 < sibiria> OMEMO in MUC can scale "infinitely" as well. though it i gets hungry during a large number of attendants
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17:30 < sibiria> phy1729: that actually doesn't help against anything except veil messaging frequency
17:33 < thrig> infinite scaling can become problematic when waste heat from the energy required boils off the oceans
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19:18 < mlw> oldlaptop: Not sure if you are on, but I wanted to thank you for pointing me in the right direction yesterday concerning scanning on OpenBSD.
19:19 < mlw> It turns out that: chmod 666 /dev/usb*
19:19 < vortexx> mlw: simple-scan may be of use to you btw
19:19 < mlw> and chmod 666 /dev/ugen*.*
19:19 < mlw> was all that was needed
19:20 < mlw> vortexx: Indeed! I tried it and very much liked it.
19:20 < vortexx> great!
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