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02:22 < Galileo> Werd
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05:19 < minall> Hello OpenBSD Community!
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05:20 < minall> I installed OpenBSD in an old machine, a HP 6830s, and I made an autoconf to the msk0 interface (ethernet) as to get internet and be able to fw_update
05:20 < minall> Now, it does work and I get an IP address, and I can ping even, however, whenever I try to download something, it stops responding. Pings stop working and I lose all connection
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05:21 < minall> So I cannot reliably download anything. Checking ifconfig, shows that the IP is still configured. I tried 'sh /etc/netstart' now, nothing.
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05:21 < minall> I also tried to set the debug flag: 'ifconfig msk0 debug autoconf' in order to get messages. But nothing at all...
05:21 < minall> The ethernet works only when I reboot the machine completely
05:22 < minall> I'm checking dmesg and /var/log/messages for anything. Nothing at all. I'm restarting again in order to pkg_add something -vvvvv only for it to fail, to see if I can get any reliable message. 
05:23 < minall> I wonder what else I could debug...
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05:32 < minall> Yeah, it keepps getting configured with an IP adress, I can ping one time, then it doesn't respond anymore
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05:47 < minall> pkg_add gives me a bunch of premature end of file messages...
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05:56 < cgnarne> are you on current?
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06:07 < minall> Yes
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06:08 < minall> 7.8
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06:10 < cgnarne> does downloading something work on your lan or is it broken there too?
06:11 < minall> Also broken on LAN
06:12 < minall> If I use /etc/netstart or put the interface down, the ifconfig command which worked to get the ip 'ifconfig msk0 autoconf' will not work anymore
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06:16 < cgnarne> maybe the HP is somewhat broken? can you try linux and see if the nic works there?
06:18 < minall> cgnarne: I will. I have to go right now though. But I will boot an Ubuntu live install to see... It is possible that it is broken really
06:18 < minall> But just to be sure.
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06:18 < minall> I'll connect later bye bye!
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06:18 < cgnarne> cu
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06:31 < vortexx> when minall comes back in, tell them to swap network cables
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06:38 < cgnarne> yeah, good point
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06:50 < vortexx> (and also try a different ethernet port on the switch)
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11:07 < hmjsp> is it possible to do staggered hard drive startup on openbsd? to avoid overloading psu (yes, in my case this is a viable edge case)
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11:16 < sibiria> no
11:17 < sibiria> you need to control the power supply for that
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11:18 < sibiria> without actively telling the PSU (and not all of them support it), drives will spin-up immediately when you apply 3.3, 5 and 12 volts to them
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11:21 < quinq> Greedy little plates
11:22 < hmjsp> oh dang
11:22 < hmjsp> hmm cant you spin them down with smart tho?
11:22 < sibiria> you can, after they've spun up
11:23 < quinq> But then it's already too late
11:23 < quinq> Before OpenBSD comes into control, the disks have started and been running for long
11:23 < hmjsp> yes of course...
11:23 < hmjsp> okay then, ill just have to deal with it then xD
11:23 < sibiria> realistically, how hungry can your drives be?
11:23 < hmjsp> well, im only using 80w psu...
11:23 < quinq> Maybe there are 80 of them
11:24 < hmjsp> im building my own das basically (for fun, i've realised this is not practical at all)
11:24 < sibiria> maybe throw another 20 watts at it
11:24 < hmjsp> yeah true i might, higher wattage psus (120/160) seem cheaper, but they're off brand too
11:25 < hmjsp> there wont be much difference in efficiency or size so it doesnt matter
11:25 < quinq> What's a DAS? (besides Danish Aviation Systems)
11:25 < hmjsp> but i might just learn how to make my own board with mosfets and an ic to do staggered startup
11:25 < sibiria> if the world hadn't run out of 2.5" drives you could switch to such. they're remarkably low-power these days
11:25 < hmjsp> quinq: direct attached storage
11:25 < quinq> Thanks :)
11:25 < hmjsp> like nas but... direct via cable
11:25 < hmjsp> because my pi 4 is going to be my nas, but it cant power a bunch of drives xD
11:25 < sibiria> it's a dedicated pin in the SATA power connector for controlling it. so you also need compatible cables
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11:26 < hmjsp> sibiria: yeah but they're pricey per tb compared to 3.5"
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11:26 < sibiria> they are, especially now when every AI asshole has bought all stock
11:26 < hmjsp> grr
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11:26 < hmjsp> so yeah, i guess ill go for higher power and figure out the efficiency later
11:27 < hmjsp> i do wanna skip the psu entirely and put my own smps... because pico psu needs an ac dc adapter as is
11:27 < hmjsp> baddd
11:27 < hmjsp> none of this is practical but im just getting intrigued by power stuff
11:27 < sibiria> you can have my 90w pico psu. that's more than a 10% increase for your cause
11:27 < hmjsp> xD
11:27 < hmjsp> fr?
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11:28 < sibiria> yes and no. i don't even know where the thing is in my boxes of junk :p
11:28 < hmjsp> LOL
11:28 < sibiria> bought it 15 years ago and used it like twice
11:28 < sibiria> very neat, though
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11:28 < sibiria> the world really should move to those things instead of bulky ATX PSUs
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11:28 < hmjsp> nah i think i'll pass... not giving my address to strangers on the net... (though you could probably already know given this is irc, ip and all)
11:28 < hmjsp> thanks for the offer tho lol
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11:33 < il> ssm_: thanks for bringing my attention to this, it's nice to know that there are sane voices in tech
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12:15 < morpho> if i have a vps with an ipv6 subnet, does that mean that host could potentially have more than one ipv6?
12:15 < morpho> i managed to get it to work for like 10 seconds by setting a ndp ruling and a route rule
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12:29 < johnzlly> hello,why my iwm(intel 8265) interface get device timeout frequently?
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12:30 < johnzlly> is there any methods to debug?
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12:35 < sibiria> morpho: by design, one ipv6 "address" is effectively a trillion addresses
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12:35 < sibiria> if your provider gives you a single /64, you still have 2^64 addresses to use
12:35 < zelest> johnzlly, "ifconfig iwm0 debug"
12:36 < zelest> not sure if you get anything useful from it though
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12:38 < johnzlly> zelest: thank you.i excecute the command,but i got nothing from the output of the command.
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12:43 < johnzlly> i dont think it is iwm driver bug,maybe it is wrong ap setting or weak signal.
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13:07 < morpho> sibiria: i get that, seemed to have set it up ok but i cant get packets back
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13:07 < morpho> the /64 subnet is on vio0 but i need the returning packets to go wg0
13:08 < sibiria> if i were to guess, you're not handling all the necessary icmp6 traffic (neighbor-discovery)
13:08 < morpho> yeah thats what is failing
13:08 < sibiria> you need to allow inbound icmp6, types 134, 135 and 136, from fe80::/10
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13:08 < morpho> i allow inbound icmp6
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13:09 < morpho> do i need to add a route so that ip/128 goes to wg0
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13:10 < sonya> hello.. dumb question: is there a tool or an option (for ipv6calc) to get full range of allowed ip's for a given [address]/[mask] (ipv6) ? right now if i need a quick look - i'm going online, but feel quite stupid with it :) thanks 
13:11 < sibiria> morpho: try adding a route, yeah. you can do that in the hostname.if
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13:11 < sibiria> but do look at your current routes first
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13:12 < morpho> yeah, so the /64 subnet goes to vio
13:13 < morpho> there is one ip from that subdomain that has been routed to wg0
13:13 < morpho> which is the wg host/exit/
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13:20 < sibiria> i don't think that's gonna work out very well
13:21 < sibiria> if that prefix is on the vio0 interface, you can't just break it apart and put part of it through the tunnel
13:21 < sibiria> if the host on the other end of the tunnel has an ipv6 prefix, you should be using that
13:22 < sibiria> or, as an alternative, you could go about it the old way and use NAT even if it's ipv6
13:22 < morpho> thats what i have been doing. just NATing the ULAs from wg0 to vio0
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13:23 < sibiria> that is, your VPN also has an ipv6 network (fd00::/16 or something) and you add a default route pointing to the other end of the tunnel
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13:24 < morpho> i didnt want to nat, but it works.
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13:25 < sibiria> it does. i NAT ipv6, too
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13:36 < morpho> could i split the /64 subnet into two?
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13:39 < sibiria> the prefix exists only with one provider
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13:40 < sibiria> same as if you had e.g. a /24 ipv4 network. it only exists in one place
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13:40 < sibiria> can't have one address routed with provider A, and another address routed with provider B
13:42 < morpho> huh
13:44 < morpho> there must be a way of doing it though?
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13:44 < morpho> so wg peers get an ip from the subnet as opposed to NAT
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13:46 < sibiria> maybe the topology is unclear to me. is this wireguard SERVER?
13:46 < sibiria> if it has an ipv6 prefix, you can delegate parts of it to the clients on the other end of the tunnels
13:46 < sibiria> or... just NAT, the same way you do for the ipv4 subnet in the VPN
13:47 < morpho> yes server
13:48 < morpho> i feel like im 99% of the way there. i have given the clients a ip from the servers ipv6 subnet
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13:51 < morpho> they can even ping out to google, just cant seem to get the ping back
13:52 < morpho> 14:50:01.721443 fe80::fce1:baff:fed0:9bc5 > ff02::1:ff00:3: icmp6: neighbor sol: who has 2a03:6000:76f1:639::3 just get this back
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13:55 < sibiria> are you using private addresses in the VPN then?
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13:55 < sibiria> and you have set e.g. ::/0 as wgaip for the wg interface
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13:56 < morpho> i was using private addresses before
13:56 < morpho> but trying to use global ones now
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13:58 < morpho> i think i got it to work for like 10 seconds by setting a ndp rules >_<
13:58 < morpho> so my machine responds to the `who has`
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14:02 < sibiria> i don't think i can help much when it comes to delegating the prefix through the tunnel. i also route ipv6 for clients in my WG setups but as i mentioned i use a private ipv6 network and NAT
14:02 < sibiria> so my clients typically sit on e.g. fdxx::x/120 or so, with the wg server having one of those addresses, as a typical gateway/LAN
14:03 < morpho> that exactly what i was doing
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14:03 < morpho> but i use those wg clients as servers themselves
14:04 < morpho> so it makes it a little tricky as everything gets differentiated by the port
14:04 < sibiria> do keep in mind that your wg client configs will need e.g. "wgaip ::/0" and a default route on the wg interface, pointing at the gateway
14:05 < morpho> the ipv6 nat setup seems to work without wgaip ::/0
14:05 < morpho> but i am using wg-quick so maybe that does it
14:06 < morpho> wdym sorry?
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14:06 < sibiria> i only use the hostname.if, no wg-quick in my case
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14:07 < sibiria> if you want i can share my setup later in the evening. it might gave you some ideas or pointers
14:08 < morpho> ty,
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14:08 < morpho> we could all probably do with a peer audit 
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14:09 < morpho> i will keep fiddling with this. there must be a way to make it to work
14:11 < sibiria> absolutely. it's just a case of misconfig on the wg interfaces and/or pf
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14:15 < kupi> hi, anyone could pls help get Xorg working on my a21p? https://termbin.com/cnw8
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14:19 < morpho> im even thinking if its possible to have /64 on the egress
14:20 < morpho> then have the vpn network on a /96 subnet
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14:30 < morpho> kupi: what size is your screen?
14:30 < morpho> [   233.760] (II) Initializing extension DRI2
14:30 < morpho> [   233.763] (II) R128(0): Setting screen physical size to 423 x 317
14:30 < morpho> [   234.076] (EE) Segmentation fault at address 0x4dd26000
14:31 < kupi> morpho size of screen is 1600x1200
14:31 < kupi> after setting Option "NoAccel" "true", it no longer crashes but I just get a black screen where I can type https://termbin.com/kn43
14:32 < kupi> oh wait that is a different size
14:33 < sonya> kupi: not a solution, but $ man 4 r128   and  # /usr/sbin/fw_update     may help.. along with step-by-step manual resolution settings from lowest to the one it starts segfaults..
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14:33 < morpho> that second termbin looks a lot healthier
14:34 < kupi> in what measurement is the physical size in?
14:35 < kupi> sonya I think the regression is in xf86-video-r128
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14:40 < kupi> > The default is XAA.
14:40 < kupi> lol but it still tries to use EXA
14:41 < sonya> kupi: https://marc.info/?l=fedora-test-list&m=128704389423506
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14:44 < kupi> sonya that is outdated, xorg worked with an openbsd install 1-2 year ago without any changes
14:45 < kupi> setting accelmethod to XAA turns off the screen and can't turn it on even on switching to tty
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14:47 < kupi> setting driver to VESA starts but the colors are wrong e.g. purple instead of blue
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14:50 < ssm_> cool
14:50 < ssm_> also jealous
14:51 < kupi> ok, after reboot the screen no longer turns off but it tries to use EXA instead of XAA despite it reads the config https://termbin.com/dos0
14:51 < sonya> kupi: for my old hw i build xorg drivers from source.. it may help, and may not. here:
14:51 < sonya>  https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-r128
14:51 < sonya> or
14:52 < sonya>  https://github.com/freedesktop-unofficial-mirror/xorg__driver__xf86-video-r128
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14:54 < cgnarne> kupi: maybe this is better asked on the ml
14:55 < kupi> ml?
14:55 < ssm_> mailing list
14:55 < ssm_> misc@ for something like
14:55 < ssm_> this
14:56 < kupi> oh and which one? xorg or openbsd? this is not an openbsd-specific issue
14:56 < cgnarne> how do you know?
14:56 < ssm_> if an older version works by bisecting it could be considered an openbsd issue
14:57 < cgnarne> also, xenocara is still very much part of OpenBSD
14:58 < ssm_> also when you say "purple instead of blue" that's before the r128 device driver is initiated and then it's definitely an openbsd (vesa(4)?) issue
14:58 < kupi> I get segfault at the same place on debian
14:58 < ssm_> I assume the blue is the kernel log text
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14:59 < kupi> the blue is the title bar in i3wm with default config
14:59 < kupi> there is no color issue before xorg
14:59 < sonya> kupi: may we assume, that an older OBSD versions worked well?
15:00 < kupi> yeah
15:00 < sonya> oh...
15:00 < sonya> then ML is an option indeed..
15:00 < kupi> can I install older xf86 drivers? that way I could find the latest working version
15:01 < kupi> also find out if the problem is with xf86 driver
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15:03 < sonya> kupi: a bit complicated, as it means whole xenocara rebuild ---  xserv78:/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/r128_drv.so ---
15:03 < sonya> but
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15:04 < sonya> as i wrote above you can try to build the r128 driver from source and check with current Xorg/Xenocara
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15:35 < kupi> lol I just found the bug report I submitted 8 years ago https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96283
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16:28 < morpho> i managed to get it to work for 10s again
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20:23 < vortexx> is the r128 for that ancient riva128 card? I had one in 1998... Didn't have an XFree86 driver for it in a number of linux distros, has to wait for RH5.0
20:27 < opensourceress> If memory serves r128 is for Rage 128 cards from ATI
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20:28 < vortexx> ah yes, that's a tad more recent. Not much, but a bit
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20:30 < opensourceress> It looks like OpenBSD has the nv driver, which supports the RIVA128 (NV3)
20:30 < opensourceress> https://man.openbsd.org/nv.4
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23:46 < mischief> has anyone setup snmpd + prometheus snmp_exporter (possibly with relayd agentx enabled)? wondering if i can extract any useful metrics from relayd, beyond 'watch relayctl show sessions'
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