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01:03 < f451> vortexx: thanks, i'll have a look at that earlycons tomorrow
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08:55 < renaud> mischief: I can't really use klee, it' very linux centric
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08:59 < renaud> I should have cced espie@ in my last mail to bugs@
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09:10 < IcePic> renaud will be invited as CFO, chief fuzzing officer
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09:19 < Foxy_> renaud: congrats for finding bugs with fuzzing, fixed by Theo for 7.9 release \o/
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09:25 < mischief> renaud: it doesn't build against base llvm or ports llvm?
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09:45 < renaud> mischief: I doubt so
09:46 < renaud> I have fuzzed all userland now
09:46 < renaud> apart from some thing which really cannot support it
09:47 < renaud> I have set up an automated fuzzing workflow on github based on OpenBSD src. It will update each time the src is updated in github and try to fuzz again with the new changes. Opening a bug report in that github repo if something is found
09:48 < renaud> and it fuzzes for 15 min instead of the 5 I have used in my local VMs
09:49 < renaud> the only issue with this is github limits
09:51 < mischief> even daemons?
09:52 < renaud> in fact, only indent won't be fuzzed
09:53 < renaud> well, that's not completely accurate
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09:54 < renaud> I can't fuzz fgen and radiusd because they always fail, but are false positives
10:00 < renaud> ohh, the patch() bug is still in NetBSD too, maybe I should also file a bug report
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10:08 < renaud> I am wondering if NetBSD tracks OpenBSD changes and the opposite
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10:13 < renaud> and I guess it might also be in FreeBSD
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10:18 < renaud> confirmed in FreeBSD and DragonflyBSD
10:19 < renaud> I should have check that earlier to see if there wasn't a fix there already
10:19 < renaud> but that wouldn't have changed the state of things
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11:58 < renaud> mischief: klee emulates Linux syscalls and uses uClibc, that's non trivial
11:59 < renaud> that said: https://www.freshports.org/security/klee
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12:05 < renaud> but it seems the FreeBSD port is quite limited, so I am not sure it's worth the effort
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14:43 < Ozymandias42> happy easter everyone. Am I right in assuming that PXE booting obsd on UEFI systems is not possible without chainloading workarounds?
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15:30 < mischief> Ozymandias42: why would you think that
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15:39 < thrig> maybe they are a traveller from an antique land who has been reading an old handbook
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15:47 < Ozymandias42> mischief: because I've tried it today by supplying either pxeboot or bsd.rd as the manual states. It can't boot from those on UEFI but has no issue on BIOS
15:47 < Ozymandias42> looking into miniroot78.img I did see a BOOTX64.EFI file which I then assumed to likely be a shim to chainload the actual kernel on UEFI systems
15:48 < sibiria> that's the bootloader. such is in use on a legacy BIOS installation, too
15:48 < sibiria> you don't boot the kernel directly
15:49 < Ozymandias42> yeah I use pxeboot which then loads the kernel. However on UEFI that fails.
15:54 < f451> WrezHole: serial gpio didnt work
15:54 < f451> looks like ill need the "kit"
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15:55 < sibiria> Ozymandias42: did you accidentally keep secure boot enabled?
15:56 < Ozymandias42> nope. I checked that multiple times. it was disabled
15:56 < sibiria> are you using an MBR partition table, but without CSM enabled?
15:57 < sibiria> without CSM, EFI wants GPT only
15:57 < Ozymandias42> I tried this in Proxmox so the BIOS was OVMF with iPXE 
15:57 < Ozymandias42> so no CSM mode there
15:57 < sibiria> and unfortunately, CSM/legacy compat mode comes with some caveats. best avoided imo
15:57 < mischief> you need to boot BOOTX64.EFI in UEFI
15:57 < cgnarne> Ozymandias42: pxeboot is for pxe, not uefi
15:57 < mischief> pxeboot is legacy
15:57 < Ozymandias42> but there's UEFI PXE boot too? or do you mean openbsd's pxeboot files specifically?
15:58 < Ozymandias42> if I did chainload iPXE with a bootlader stanza with an efi shim I could probably get it to boot
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16:03 < mischief> do what works for you, but if you want to use UEFI+PXE then just boot BOOTX64.EFI and it should work
16:04 < Ozymandias42> I tried that. that did just run into a boot loop didn't even try to boot bsd.rd
16:06 < Ozymandias42> this is the whole reason why I asked if I am correct in my assumption of needing a chainloading workaround. ..ofc it could also be that bsd.rd needs to be on a specific path relative to BOOTX64.EFI that I didn't know about
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16:07 < mischief> you should get a prompt from the bootloader even if bsd{,.rd} is not present
16:07 < Ozymandias42> hmm.. I only did get that on BIOS. there I could even manually type in bsd.rd and have it boot. didn't happen on UEFI
16:07 < sibiria> if the system can run the bootloader correctly it will at least error-out on the prompt if it can't proceed
16:07 < sibiria> i wonder if your proxmox config for the guest is alright
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16:08 < Ozymandias42> should be. ironically that was a VM where I already had obsd installed on anyway. I just took out the hdd from the boot options 
16:09 < Ozymandias42> ..oh wait. there's one thing that might possibly have sth to do with it. For some reason it's on machine type i400fx instead of q35
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16:09 < Ozymandias42> let's see if that makes a difference
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16:11 < Ozymandias42> no difference...
16:11 < sibiria> i440fx is absolutely ancient
16:11 < sibiria> mid 90s stuff
16:12 < Ozymandias42> I think that was pre-set becaues I chose OS type other.. usually I change that. might have forgotten in that case
16:12 < sibiria> openbsd has problems with that under virtualbox, too
16:12 < sibiria> on virtualbox, it won't boot with PIIX3 (i440fx southbridge), needs newer generation setup ICH9
16:13 < sibiria> (ICH9 == Q35 companion)
16:14 < mischief> i get the same thing, but i'm not sure what's wrong
16:15 < mischief> ISTR some bugs in BOOTX64.EFI but i do not recall at the moment
16:15 < mischief> let me try my A485
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16:23 < mischief> no joy on A485
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16:33 < tangentnet> I'm running OpenBSD in KVM with Q35/i440FX emulation, which works nicely.
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16:34 < tangentnet> If there is a boot problem, clearing the secure boot keys works.
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16:35 < mischief> tangentnet: with PXE?
16:37 < tangentnet> nope, never tried PXE boot. I prefer install images.
16:38 < vortexx> tangentnet: and are you booting UEFI or BIOS?
16:38 < vortexx> (no I have not tried iPXE with OpenBSD)
16:39 < tangentnet> uEFI, you could try qemu for PXE boot
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16:40 < tangentnet> I think QEMU has boot -n flag for PXE booting.
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16:46 < sibiria> Ozymandias42: is the storage on an IDE channel?
16:46 < sibiria> if yes, try changing the controller to SATA
16:46 < sibiria> i440fx vs q35 thing
16:46 < Ozymandias42> no. virtio-scsi on both
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16:48 < shr\ke> I'm looking for some guidance on booting the installer on a Snapdragon laptop. Dell XPS 9345. I've got the arm64 img burned to a flash drive, but the laptop UEFI isn't seeing it as bootable. 
16:49 < Ozymandias42> sounds like it might be a secureboot issue
16:49 < shr\ke> I notice in the EFI directory on this image there is bootx64.efi and grubx64.efi, where I would expect bootaa64.efi. That file exists in the download folder, but I am unsure how to get it inot a bootable image
16:49 < shr\ke> secureboot is off
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16:50 < Ozymandias42> there's standardised default names for EFI bootables. sometimes firmware defaults to those. it might look for BOOTAA64.EFI
16:50 < Ozymandias42> or BOOTARM.EFI
16:51 < Ozymandias42> you could try renaming the efi file if it doesn't match one of those
16:51 < sibiria> though those aren't mandated by EFI. the EFI application can have other names if you specify the full path in the efivars
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16:52 < Ozymandias42> if you have an interactive EFI shell you could try booting manually from there
16:52 < mischief> so
16:52 < mischief> it does work with ipxe
16:52 < mischief> booting BOOTX64.EFI directly does not
16:53 < Ozymandias42> so you managed to get it to boot on UEFI with PXE ?
16:54 < mischief> through ipxe, yes
16:54 < Ozymandias42> nice. I'm on the interactive iPXE shell rn too. trying to figure out how to go from there. I chainloaded it because the built in iPXE of the OVMF bios doesn't seem to work
16:57 < mischief> just run
16:57 < mischief> kernel BOOTX64.EFI
16:57 < mischief> chain
16:58 < Ozymandias42> ah okay. I need to upload that again with a new name. the current file under that name is my chainloaded iPXE 
16:58 < mischief> so one unfortunate problem that i'm recalling is that the uefi network stack might not be connected when you do this chainload
16:59 < mischief> so the bootloader can't do anything
16:59 < mischief> however
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17:00 < mischief> you can with ipxe, boot either the installer .iso or .img which has a self contained bsd.rd
17:01 < mischief> i have an ipxe menu fragment which does this if you're interested
17:01 < Ozymandias42> would be nice. thanks
17:02 < mischief> https://p.offblast.org/osebqvbg
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17:03 < mischief> lol, now that i try it it also does not boot
17:04 < mischief> it loads the image but falls back to the menu
17:04 < Ozymandias42> I got right to the bsd loader with loading bootx64.efi and then couldn't boot bsd.rd
17:04 < Ozymandias42> that happened when I chain-loaded bsd's bootx64.efi
17:04 < Ozymandias42> with bsd.rd I got exec-format mismatch. which makes sense as it's not a native efi-binary
17:07 < mischief> bsd.rd is not
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17:18 < shr\ke> ok, my problem was how I created the bootable usb (sd3 vs sd3c)
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17:19 < shr\ke> now I can get to a boot prompt, but when it tries to boot /bsd I get "Bootind sd0a:/bsd Inappropriate file type or format"
17:19 < shr\ke> I'm only finding information about that error in regards to the mount command
17:20 < mischief> Ozymandias42: i am pretty sure i had all of this working at one point, including openbsd and netboot.xyz from ipxe under uefi, but i'm not sure what broke
17:20 < mischief> i cbf to debug it right now. good luck
17:20 < Ozymandias42> yeah this is already far more help than I ever expected with this. Thank you a lot
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17:56 < shr\ke> ok 7.7 booted up fine so something may be wrong with 7.8
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18:18 < mischief> > Add smtgpio(4), a driver for the GPIO controller found on SpacemiT K1 SoCs.
18:18 < mischief> i wonder what kettenis is cooking up here
18:20 < sibiria> chinese RISC-V
18:22 < mischief> i know what it is, i have one
18:22 < mischief> (orangepi rv2)
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20:05 < vortexx> shr\ke: we discovered a week or two ago that at least the arm64 images are borked
20:05 < vortexx> for 7.8
20:05 < vortexx> someone came in complaining about not being able to use rdsetroot for arm64 bsd.rd in install78.img
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20:06 < shr\ke> ah ok, good to know
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20:09 < shr\ke> maybe I'll try snapshot
20:11 < vortexx> shr\ke: or you could just install 7.7 and use sysupgrade?
20:11 < vortexx> snapshots are in 7.9-beta atm
20:12 < Ozymandias42> I had to do that back when proxmox 8 wa new too. image just wouldn't boot or install properly. can't remember. had to use the previous version and upgrade
20:14 < shr\ke> that sounds like a better route
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20:15 < Feigr> I have a Thinkpad X220, and with xev I can get every key on the keyboard to register apart from the Thinkvantage button and mute button next to that. Is this a known thing, or maybe a hardware fault on my machine? I recently got this machine used so it has never worked for me
20:16 < vortexx> even in another OS those keys don't work?
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20:17 < Feigr> unknown, but I forgot to mention that the Thinkvantage button does work on the boot splash
20:21 < vortexx> a linux live image might be of use here, just to check
20:21 < Feigr> yeah i might look into doing that
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20:33 < uwharrie> those special buttons are usually implemented in ACPI and often lack documentation/drivers
20:38 < vortexx> indeed, but a lot of OpenBSD devs have used or use those laptops so there may be support somehow
20:38 < Feigr> the volume up/down and mute button do work (I meant to say the mute microphone button in my first message)
20:39 < vortexx> mute microphone is on by default in OpenBSD (via sysctl). You might need to switch the sysctl and try again?
20:40 < Ozymandias42> and ACPI is often bugged on top of it. and the mountain of workarounds in the kernel grows and grows for those bugs. at least on linux
20:44 < thrig> good thing hardware companies have lots of competition and regulation to keep their code in line
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23:05 < deepesttoaster> what are the chances there's a build option that would let me build openbsd aarch64 to play nice with a device that doesn't support bootefi and instead needs booti?
23:06 < deepesttoaster> FreeBSD apparently has a build option "LINUX_BOOT_ABI" I'm doubting there's an equivalent for OpenBSD, and so far not finding one with some internet searches
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23:57 < mischief> deepesttoaster: said device would also need a device tree and relevant drivers once you get past that hurdle..
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