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02:49 < seninha> Hi, why port Makefiles (both Makefile.template and actual port makefiles) need an empty “FLAVORS ?=” line after the “FLAVORS = foo bar baz” line?
02:50 < seninha> s/need/have/
02:50 < seninha> (template need nothing, but illustrates the correct use)
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03:04 < senninha> hello from kvirc at OpenBSD!
03:05 < seninha> It has voice and video DCC extensions (the latter experimental, but available to build with), and also a kde support
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03:05 < seninha> I think i made too much flavors for it.
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03:18 < vortexx> that would be too many, not too  much, but that's acceptable at this hour
03:21 < seninha> vortexx, 6 flavors for now xP https://termbin.com/ap88
03:22 < seninha> kde and dcc_voice should at least be flavors, for not much who would use it may also run KDE, nor use its voice-over-DCC protocol (which no other client supports, i think)
03:23 < seninha> (maybe mIRC or one of those fancy clients for Windows?)
03:24 < seninha> that gettext,-tools should be a BUILD_DEPEDENCY...
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03:26 < seninha> I'll fill in the WANTLIBs for the flavors tomorrow and then mail it to ports@
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06:22 < elarks> mIRC used to be a must-have for me way back
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11:48 < dubitae> Hi openbsd, I'm sort of stuck after upgrading from 7.7 to 7.8 as my machine will no longer boot. Seems like the upgrade itself failed. I've managed to boot BSD.rd on it over serial but I cannot get Upgrade to complete as the /usr partition is full (105% usage of 1.8G according to df -h). I was thinking of deleting the content of /usr folders that
11:48 < dubitae> don't have their own dedicated partition and then attempt a Upgrade again but I wanted to make sure this was not a bad idea first. Any thoughts? Thanks for the help!
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11:55 < Ozymandias42> mischief: I figured out what made the BOOTX64.EFI crash. And it's _really_ stupid. It requires a cd drive to be present. 
11:55 < Ozymandias42> that also explains why it crashed the same on real hardware. no cd drive there either
11:56 < Ozymandias42> with an empty cd drive in the VM though it works every time
11:56 < Ozymandias42> ..still. that IS a bug in it
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12:07 < sibiria> i still wonder if it may perhaps be related to how the guest (or host) is set-up in proxmox, i.e. what storage controllers are enabled and how storage is attached to them
12:07 < sibiria> these days few people have an actual disc unit in their computers, and openbsd's bootloader itself is fine with that
12:07 < Ozymandias42> possible but imo unlikely. as I said it also failed the same way on a Beelink Mini 
12:07 < sibiria> same goes for running openbsd in hypervisors in the cloud and in virtualbox
12:08 < sibiria> no virtual CD present there
12:08 < Ozymandias42> ..this is about PXE booting. just to be clear
12:08 < sibiria> yeah
12:08 < sibiria> it does do things a bit differently, admittedly
12:09 < sibiria> could be worth reporting it on the mailing lists
12:09 < Ozymandias42> speaking of obsd in hypervisors. I recently discovered that it does not support the virtio keyboard and mouse/touchpad drivers. the default USB ones work perfectly fine but these dont.
12:10 < Ozymandias42> I think I'll do that. reporting it on the mailing list that is. hope that isn't too difficult. I've never used a mailinglist list that
12:11 < sibiria> you simply e-mail the correct address for the list, and sometimes you get a confirmation request back in order to actualize the e-mail. that's all there's to it
12:12 < Ozymandias42> ah. that's pleasantly simple
12:15 < dubitae> Ended up removing /usr/share/relink and /sur/share/man which resulted in the upgrade completing (though it still threw write failed due to disk fill error near the end). Rebooted anyway since that couldn't be any worse than before and system managed to boot so I'm hopefully in an on spot.
12:16 < dubitae> Boot completed with a reorder_kernel: failed -- see /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC.MP/relink.log so i'll need to check that still
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13:01 < Ozymandias42> so.. I did a bit more testing now that I got it to work and it seems it's not even the cd drive but the presence of second entry in the efi bootorder. A valid one at that. (real hardware sometimes has invalid ones there and if those are the immediate next one it might fail apparently)
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13:11 < sibiria> did you place the openbsd bootloader in the default application ("BOOT") and/or select the openbsd bootloader as the primary one?
13:11 < sibiria> some platforms have no efivars and will default to using the BOOT application
13:12 < sibiria> rule of thumb with EFI is that you need to either set a primary application, or make the default one available
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13:23 < Ozymandias42> yeah primary boot option was PXE boot. secondary was my ssd when it worked
13:24 < Ozymandias42> I wrote it all up and posted to the mailing list
13:24 < Ozymandias42> I mean it IS still a bug. if no other boot entry exists but netboot it reproducibly crashes whereas on BIOS with pxeboot it does not. 
13:25 < Ozymandias42> if I wanted to have an UEFI based diskless setup this would make it impossible
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13:27 < Ozymandias42> ...fuck. should have read the page. ofc bugs@openbsd.org was NOT in the list of mailing-lists but only mentioned in the article about bug reports that was linked to on misc@openbsd.org. guess where I send it to...
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13:28 < Ozymandias42> ..oh wait it was there too. someone will probably redirect it...
13:28 < sibiria> bugs@ is the relevant list
13:28 < sibiria> misc@ works well, too, for getting some discussions going
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14:41 < mischief> Ozymandias42: the fuck
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14:42 < mischief> hm.. added an empty sata cdrom drive to my vm in libvirt but still no joy
14:43 < Ozymandias42> it needs an efi boot entry too 
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14:44 < Ozymandias42> just read through the convo after my mention.
14:44 < mischief> what the fuck
14:44 < mischief> it worked
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14:45 < Ozymandias42> for some reason it seems to depend on actual hardware being pointed to in the other boot entries or possibly just the secondary one. 
14:45 < Ozymandias42> not a thing with the BIOS pendant in pxeboot. that one works even if netboot is the only bootorder entry
14:46 < mischief> after i enabled the 'SATA CDROM 1' checkbox in libvirt it works https://i.imgur.com/U7u8sLh.png
14:46 < mischief> if it's unchecked it doesn't work
14:47 < mischief> how strange
14:47 < Ozymandias42> yeah. could even repoduce that on my actual hardware too. 
14:47 < mischief> no image is even loaded in it
14:47 < Ozymandias42> I don't remember the exact order I had when it didn't work there but after I changed it today it works there too
14:47 < Ozymandias42> yeah but it works if you just type bsd.rd enter
14:47 < Ozymandias42> then it boots
14:48 < mischief> i didn't even need to do that, it autoboots here :)
14:48 < Ozymandias42> oh nice
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14:49 < mischief> https://i.imgur.com/ARNJV1K.png
14:50 < Ozymandias42> really strange bug. but at least knowing this it's usable in principle now
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17:07 < vortexx> nice bug find there Ozymandias42 
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17:15 < loopb> :wq
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19:07 < ssm_> Is there documentation anywhere on preparing rcs(1) repositories for distribution? namely removing all locks on all revisions before archiving.
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19:16 < thrig> rcs has repositories?
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19:20 < ssm_> no, but I mean taking everything in an RCS dir (or loosely organized *,v files) and removing all locks from them so they can be distributed on ftp/etc
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19:21 < thrig> use a script to iterate files, unlock if necessary, tarball them, etc
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19:21 < thrig> as complicated by any in-progress edits but that's on you
19:22 < ssm_> complication is actually on if there are several locks on several revisions. I could just assume the latest revision is the only locked one, but that's a botch
19:23 < ssm_> could forego the rcs tooling and edit ,v files directly maybe
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19:25 < uwharrie> rcsclean(1)?
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19:29 < ssm_> rcsclean -u only works if no modifications have been made
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20:03 < Feigr> in vi on OpenBSD, is there a way to vertically split the window? I can split horizontally with :E but is vertical split not supported?
20:04 < uwharrie> no
20:04 < Feigr> ok thank you
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20:06 < thrig> my fork of vi disables all the New Window stuff, and there's tmux if you do want that
20:10 < oldlaptop> something something one thing well something?
20:11 < oldlaptop> (except someone will teach tmux/a tmux fork to edit text and read mail one of these years)
20:12 < thrig> the reason I disable the new Window stuff is shift+; followed by a key tends to produce :W (not what I wanted) instead of :w (what I wanted)
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20:14 < quinq> oldlaptop, then they'll call it emacs
20:14 < oldlaptop> tmax?
20:15 < thrig> ten megs and executable
20:15 < quinq> oldlaptop ;)
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20:25 < tux0r> sam is the only version of vi you need
20:25 < tux0r> multi-document, optional gui, client-server.
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22:01 < ssm_> isn't sam an ed-like?
22:02 < oldlaptop> vi is an ed-like
22:02 < ssm_> <_>
22:02 < ssm_> not ex?
22:02 < oldlaptop> vi and ex, both ed-likes, are usually the same binary
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22:08 < tux0r> sam is vi for actual computers
22:09 < ssm_> small trouble, I use vi mode in ksh and if I switch to sam I'll have to juggle to much stuff in my brain
22:09 < tux0r> sam-the-terminal-application is "ex-like", not really ed-like; sam-the-gui is vi-like (but with actual buffer windows)
22:09 < ssm_> also isn't sam more at home with snarfs and plumbings and whatnot?
22:10 < tux0r> you can (but absolutely don't have to) use a version of plumb on any decent OS
22:10 < tux0r> if you don't, you don't
22:10 < ssm_> "" the plan9front fell off
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22:11 < thrig> but maybe big trouble if you start an ex command in ex mode that enters vi mode
22:11 < tux0r> maybe start small, alias ed to sam -d
22:12 < tux0r> (and just stick with that ;o))
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22:13 < cparman> Does anyone in this channel use the Swirc IRC client. If so, is it possible to add an entry into the swirc.conf file for IRC servers.
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22:31 < mischief> i can highly recommend the plumber
22:31 < mischief> i use it daily.
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23:05 < lusciouslover> who was the one here who built hl1 on obsd?
23:05 < lusciouslover> i cant seem to find you in my logs again
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23:11 < lusciouslover> ah i found him
23:11 < lusciouslover> it was LibreBSD
23:11 < fro> oh ok
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23:35 < amrfti> I'm using OpenBSD 7.8 trying to use vnstati and I'm getting runtime library errors: `undefined symbol '__sF'`
23:36 < amrfti> I get errors about the same symbol missing when trying to compile some programs
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23:37 < loopb> ssm_: ex and vi are different interfaces to the same program
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23:52 < loopb> tux0r: https://termbin.com/9l4w put it on my !tab
23:56 < tux0r> in order to do what?
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