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00:08 < deepesttoaster> cparman: I use irssi for my terminal irc client and it does have that ability. If that is important to you and swirc doesn't this may be a useful alternative.
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00:43 < cparman> I haven't use Irssi in quite a while
00:43 < cparman> I will give is a go again
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00:55 < thrig> in theory an ex existed before someone thought to code vi? haven't researched that bit of history though
00:58 < deepesttoaster> I forget where I found the layout I use for irssi, having a window across the top for pings/mentions and two windows split vertically belwo that as my active windows is nice for me.
00:58 < tux0r> thrig: bill joy, leading the first unix distribution that actually is remembered by anyone (BSD), took an advanced version of ed (em or en?) to write ex
00:59 < tux0r> then he bolted a visual screen on top of it (= vi)
00:59 < mischief> https://www.theregister.com/Print/2003/09/11/bill_joys_greatest_gift/
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01:02 < tux0r> ah
01:02 < tux0r> found The File(TM)... thrig: https://web.mit.edu/kolya/misc/txt/editors
01:03 < tux0r> so yes, there was "an ex" before vi, and ex was ed, and ed was QED, and it all started when DEC made its first PDP. computers are weird.
01:03  * tux0r still prefers less archaic software
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01:05 < loopb> both of those links are awesome
01:05 < tux0r> i forget to bookmark mine every time i need it
01:06 < tux0r> which was a couple of times last year alone
01:06  * tux0r adds a bookmark NOW
01:08 < thrig> or save copies because the http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~kirkenda/joy84.html is rotten
01:09 < tux0r> why would i want to save copies if there's a whole data center full of people who do just that for a living? https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~kirkenda/joy84.html
01:10 < tux0r> (PSA: donate!)
01:10 < loopb> tux0r: please dont remind me that i work at a datacenter when im not at work
01:10 < loopb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmVHkL0IWk4
01:10 < thrig> most writing was not lost when alexandria burned but when papyrus decayed after a few decades
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01:10 < tux0r> loopb: datacenter! datacenter! (written in a spooky voice)
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01:42 < tux0r> now that the history lesson is over and everyone here is dead and/or sleeping: good night! 3:42 AM here and i'll have to go to work after a short nap..
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10:19 < guvnor>  cfcfdfddderrr444444444eded4eddde
10:19 < guvnor> sorry.
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13:48 < renaud> any idea on when the ports freeze will be?
13:49 < uwharrie> when its ready
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13:49 < renaud> I know, we are nearby release deraadt@ sent me a reminder about that :D
13:51 < IcePic> slowdown of ports is on, at least
13:51 < renaud> so I should submit synapse 1.151.0 probably
13:52 < uwharrie> should be fine as long as it's not a [br]dep for anything
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13:53 < renaud> OK, I will make the port on a local vm then. I haven't been able to get a new VM on oracle cloud to replace my -current machine
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13:59 < renaud> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=177549402326974&w=2 was a kind reminder :D
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15:17 < tangentnet> hi, I’ve been building a UTM on OpenBSD with a strict separation where the web interface has no path to execute privileged operations. I’m using chrooted CGI + file-based IPC to root daemons instead of any direct command execution. would appreciate feedback on the architecture, especially around the queue model and whether there are edge cases I might be missing. I would really appreciate a technical review if anyone has time: https://tangentn
15:17 < tangentnet> et.top
15:18 < tangentnet> I broke the url, try https://tangentnet.top
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15:28 < mischief> is it open source?
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15:42 < tangentnet> Yes, BSD Clause-III
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15:45 < tangentnet> A couple more issues to resolve before completing the installer and uninstaller, which should be ready by the end of the week for release.
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15:46 < mischief> if it's open source and bsd 3-clause why does the website have a request demo button but no source link
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15:58 < tangentnet> There are a few more glitches to address before finalizing the installer and uninstaller, which should be ready for distribution by the end of this week. I'm stuck on the INSTALLER script, and once it's done, I'll replace the link with my gitlab repository. There are only two commercial factors here: paid support and purpose-built or white labeling.
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16:14 < tangentnet> License details and a concise introduction are available at https://gitlab.com/tangentnetworks/tangent-networks-utm/-/tree/dbd89ca15719216ebebccc144ae5d3159913c8d4/
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16:29 < sibiria> impressive project
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16:43 < tangentnet> Thanks. I will improve it around OpenBSD 8.0. I made a few errors this time around.
16:44 < lts> Vibecoded?
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16:59 < tangentnet> Nope. Started in early December, 10-12 hours every day, seven days a week. Gemini assisted with JS, I am utilizing a SPA system, I needed IIFE-compliant, non-DOM polluting scripts. view.js nukes active scripts when the view changes. I am not good at JavaScript.
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17:01 < mischief> i've been musing about something similar, but not perl :p
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17:03 < tangentnet> perl is excellent, very fast at pattern matching.
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17:03 < mischief> i'm fairly certain that is not exclusive to perl
17:04 < mischief> the choice of 'file queues' as ghetto RPC instead of sockets like imsg seems odd
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17:05 < tangentnet> If I am to pick, I will pick perl every single time.
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17:09 < tangentnet> The web tier runs inside a strict chroot with no privilege path. The only thing it can do is write structured request files to a specific directory. That constraint is enforced by the filesystem and kernel, not by application logic. On the privileged side, root daemons poll that queue, validate the request again, execute the operation, and write an outcome file back. There is no persistent IPC channel between the two sides.
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17:20 < Bradipo> Well, "file queue" at least is persistent in the face of crash.
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17:24 < tangentnet> That was one of the main reasons I leaned in that direction. The queue survives restarts and makes the state fully observable, which helped a lot during failure handling and debugging. Each request is also strictly validated on both sides. The CGI writes a structured request, and the root daemon re-validates it against expected constraints before doing anything. Anything malformed or unexpected is rejected and logged, so the queue never becomes 
17:24 < tangentnet> an execution path for arbitrary input.
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17:26 < thrig> *is less likely to become an ...
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17:45 < tangentnet> Yeah, my bad. I'm sorry, I am wasted.
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18:07 < tangentnet> BBL
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20:59 < sandmanXpuff> https://www.axios.com/2026/04/07/anthropic-mythos-preview-cybersecurity-risks
20:59 < sandmanXpuff> does anybody know more about this 27year old vulnerability discovered by AI?
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21:03 < uwharrie> what 27 year old vulnerability?
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21:03 < sandmanXpuff> this article said anthropic found a 27 year old vulnerability in openbsd but with no other details
21:05 < miggyb> Claude found that by using `doas` you could gain root access on the system
21:06 < sandmanXpuff> i think i found the answer: https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/1sf588l/claude_mythos_preview_anthropic_finds_27_year_old/
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21:07 < uwharrie> there's also https://github.com/openbsd/src/commit/e9af5eb5a61d189327b553b24d0d31f19c64b63f#diff-b60194f1250f30f6b7b3a2881e689fe31249bc4f4cb3c51e267d0a22e33f0cdd
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21:16 < thrig> maybe x.509 is woefully overcomplicated
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21:17 < sibiria> like asn.1, a bit of a disaster
21:17 < thrig> how about x.509, but wrapped with XML!!
21:17 < sibiria> one single job, oh how it turned out
21:18 < oldlaptop> XML is so decade-before-us, do YAML instead
21:18 < oldlaptop> (*decade-before-last, but that works too)
21:18 < uwharrie> ...with templates
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21:19 < Bradipo> I've found 27 year old bugs, (not vulnerabilities) in OpenBSD.
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21:19 < oldlaptop> sandmanXpuff: It's not especially remarkable for bugs to go undiscovered for a long time, especially if it's difficult to actually trip on them.
21:20 < oldlaptop> ("security vulnerabilities" are no different than any other kind of bug in this respect, or in most other respects)
21:20 < sandmanXpuff> agreed, i'm not worried
21:22 < oldlaptop> a cynic might suggest that Anthropic is making a public show of holding this "model" closely as a marketing tactic (for which whoever wrote the piece you linked has completely fallen)
21:23 < uwharrie> they could also be trying to distract from the source code leak
21:23 < oldlaptop> pull quote, which seems to dramatically overstate the impact (at least compared to that commit message): "n another test, Mythos Preview found a 27-year-old vulnerability in OpenBSD, an open-source operating system, that would allow hackers to remotely crash any machine running it. OpenBSD is widely considered one of the most security-hardened open-source projects and is found in several firewalls, routers and high-security servers."
21:23 < oldlaptop> Nice and flattering for OpenBSD, at least. :)
21:25 < oldlaptop> (even that is somewhat misleading, given the, um, ancestry and reputation of libcrypto)
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21:26  * oldlaptop doesn't have time to run down whether that applies to/was reported to current openssl as well
21:26 < cjs> Bradipo: Well, at least somebody has found the bugs. Better late than never. 
21:29  * oldlaptop wonders idly what the longest recorded bug-latency period is
21:29 < sandmanXpuff> maybe anthropic should change its name to Cyberdyne Systems
21:30 < oldlaptop> most production operating systems are fertile ground for such things - is there any widely-used production kernel without roots in the previous century?
21:31 < oldlaptop> linux is one of the *newer* ones
21:31 < oldlaptop> even NT goes back, what, to the late '80s?
21:32 < uwharrie> seL4?
21:33 < oldlaptop> By "widely-used production kernel" I mean to exclude research systems :P (L4 in general is only barely younger than linux anyway, IIRC)
21:33 < oldlaptop> arguably that excludes openbsd, which kernel is arguably older than linux anyway
21:34 < oldlaptop> (by that conveniently loose "roots in" standard)
21:34 < thrig> there was a 40 year old bug a while ago
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21:36 < mischief> i assume the commit 0e8206e596add74fef1653b4472de6b3723c435f 'Ignore TCP SACK packets with invalid sequence numbers.' is directly related to TFA
21:37 < mischief> and https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/7.8/common/025_sack.patch.sig
21:37 < oldlaptop> That does sound more honestly describable with that language
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23:10 < emmanuelux> i read this on reddit 3 hours ago
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23:24 < Bradipo> Well, that 025_sack.patch is actually a few days old.
23:24 < sibiria> i heard about it last episode of Family Guy
23:24 < Bradipo> My 7.8 system already has it presumably, so it's not new.
23:24 < Bradipo> Maybe news about it is "new".
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