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06:21  * tangentnet *NOTES*: Gatekeeping under the guise of spam prevention on forums like Hacker News, Lobsters, and Reddit has evolved into a serious barrier, stifling important contributions from real people.
06:23 < vortexx> mass censorship on the internet, news at 111
06:23 < vortexx> s/111/11 (damn)
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06:28 < tangentnet> Forum admins must add transparency (e.g., appeal processes, queue timers) and calibrate filters to favor substance over suspicion. I frequently get banned after forum moderators detect my Indian IP address.
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06:33 < carlomonte> @tangentnet they might be affraid that you are a real CS professional :)
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06:39 < tangentnet> carlomonte, possible. However, I do not have a formal degree in CS or "vendor" certificate.
06:40 < carlomonte> that doesn't matter here, does it?
06:42 < renaud> yay, after almost a week trying every 2 minutes to get a new free VM on oracle cloud, I got one.
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06:50 < tangentnet> carlomonte, this space is perfect.
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06:51 < tangentnet> renaud, Ampere?
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06:54 < rnkn> renaud: don't you worry if it's free they might take it away at any moment?
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07:00 < tangentnet> I'm using 4 Ampere instances since 2022.
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07:01 < renaud> tangentnet: yes
07:02 < renaud> rnkn: it's my -current ports testing machine, so it's not so much of a big deal
07:02 < renaud> besides, it's a paid account, but I only use free resources
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07:05 < tangentnet> renaud, Ampere is quite good. I'm running Enterprise Linux 8. How are you using free resources in a paid account? I have another paid account that I might use to get a PTR so that my email does not end up in the spam bin.
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07:06 < tangentnet>  07:06:00 up 47 days, 23:27,  1 user,  load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.04
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07:36 < renaud> tangentnet: when you have a paid account, you still have the same rights to free resources
07:36 < renaud> to install OpenBSD: https://arnor.org/OpenBSD/oracle_cloud.txt
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07:39 < tangentnet> I have one in Paris
07:41 < tangentnet> custom installs are easy on OVH cloud. I used to build a local disk, boot rescue on OVH panel and dd the image to it.
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11:37 < morpho> is there anything like tailscale/headscale that works well with obsd hosts?
11:37 < morpho> like vpn-meshes
11:47 < dennis> morpho: plain wireguard meshes well. But I suspect what you're really asking about is the wrapper that automagically configures the mesh for you(?)
11:47 < dennis> You could always generate that config with a script. I use ansible to both generate it and deploy it
11:49 < lts> OpenBSD has tailscale and headscale in packages https://openbsd.app/?search=tailscale
11:50 < dennis> nice
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12:05 < gipa> lts: i think was k-lined for being a bot (ai?). Fell for a trick in another channel but haven't paid much attention to backlog
12:06 < gipa> s/trick/trap
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12:07 < lts> Ah yes, the backlog does look like AI nonsense here and there
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12:07 < sibiria> may have used an LLM to rephrase himself. given their company website and the project, it doesn't immediately come off as an AI in itself
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12:13 < sibiria> this would be the project he's been discussing lately: https://gitlab.com/tangentnetworks/tangent-networks-utm/-/tree/dbd89ca15719216ebebccc144ae5d3159913c8d4/
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12:25 < morpho> dennis: thats what i am doing but it doesnt scale great
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12:26 < morpho> lts: yeah, the headscale port seems slightly out of date
12:30 < dennis> It doesn't, no :/
12:35 < morpho> tinc looks cool :)
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12:42 < oldlaptop> sibiria: (could also have crossed the line into spam more blatantly and obviously than in here)
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14:11 < qbit> headscale port should be easy to update
14:11 < qbit> also it's pretty easy to build standalone
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14:54 < Foxy_> morpho: sorry, I have to update the headscale port on OpenBSD to the latest version (I'm the maintainer of this port)
14:55 < Foxy_> but you can also compile it from sources using Go compiler, and update your configuration if you have already one
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15:15 < qbit> did they change the config format again? D:
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15:32 < jab> may I ask for help again ?  I'm trying to get mdns working on my openbsd box. I've installed openmdns, =doas rcctl start mdnsd=.
15:32 < jab> I'm trying to use my openbsd computer to ssh into my hurd computer.
15:32 < jab> I can do it from linux.
15:32 < jab> but not openBSD.
15:33 < jab> if I run this on openbsd =mdnsctl lookup -h underdog.local=  ->  HINFO not found.
15:33 < jab> I've checked my pf.conf.  I've enabled mdns and mdns-responder services.
15:34 < jab> at least I've enabled those ports.
15:34 < jab> wait...I've only enable them on TCP, but not UDP...or one of the other...let me check.
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15:35 < loopb> why are you jacking around with DBS at all right now
15:35 < loopb> s/DBS/DNS
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15:36 < loopb> You said you had trouble with establish SSH access, then you started talking about DNS.
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15:37 < jab> I can ssh into my hurd machine.  That's not a problem.
15:37 < loopb> Then why are you telling us about it
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15:37 < jab> What's annoying is having to manually type "ssh joshua@whateverIpAddress".
15:37 < jab> I'd rather just type "joshua@underdog.local"
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15:40 < loopb> you can create a config file which lives in your ssh folder specifying hostnames, ips, usernames, ports, identity files etc. which makes for easy "ssh box1... shh box2..." 
15:40 < loopb> I don't know what this inquiry has to do with DNS but maybe a second issue
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15:41 < jab> my hurd machine does not have a stable port.
15:42 < jab> sorry a stable IP address.
15:42 < jab> it changes all the time.  It's a laptop.
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15:43 < jab> I read online, that I might need to tweak resolv.conf to get mdns to work.
15:44 < izder456> jab, you wanna use a mdns resoler like openmdns or avahi-daemon to get .local automatic dns resolving. you want every device in your network to use it
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15:45 < izder456> both are in ports, pkg_add openmdns or pkg_add avahi
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15:45 < izder456> your router also needs mdns support too
15:46 < izder456> which sounds like your router already does
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15:47 < jab> izder456:   I've installed openmdns.  =doas rcctl ls on"  mdnsd is there.
15:47 < izder456> did you set the flag to point to your outgoing interface?
15:47 < izder456> rcctl set mdnsd flags <ifname>
15:48 < jab> that I did not do.
15:49 < loopb> why dont you just set a static ip for your laptop
15:49 < izder456> jab, IIRC the pkg-readme has some other hints on using mdnsd
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15:52 < loopb> not trying to give you a hard time just sounds like ~/.ssh/config + static ip is the easiest solution, instead diving into ports and documentation
15:53 < jab> loopb: how would I go about getting a static ip address on a laptop ?  The ip address would change every day, no ?
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15:53 < jab> I also work in places that I do not have access to the router, so I cannot set a static ip address.
15:53 < pardis> only if you have it set up to be dynamic
15:54 < loopb> i thought this was a home network
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15:54 < jab> I use these laptops, at home, at my friends house, at my parents house, at the local coffee shop, etc.
15:54 < jab> I want ssh joshua@underdog.local to work everywhere.
15:55 < avemestr> So you bring two laptops everywhere and want to SSH from on to the other..?
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15:55 < sibiria> must it be .local/.internal? wouldn't a dyndns thingy under a public TLD work?
15:56 < jab> yes.  that is correct.
15:56 < loopb> "A problem well stated is a problem half solved"
15:56 < jab> sibiria: if you have an alternative solution to mdns that would work on all networks that I take my laptops to...I'm all ears.  :) 
15:57 < jab> especially if it's simplier.  :)
15:57 < sibiria> using a public dyndns service, and updating the hostname with a simple curl/wget call
15:57 < phy1729> It's not efficient, but you could wireguard them to a static place and then inside wireguard they have static IPs
15:58 < sibiria> freedns.afraid.org is pretty common and a very old such service
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15:59 < sibiria> older than some of the rascals in here!11
15:59 < loopb> sibiria: they have some entertaining domain names available iirc
15:59 < sibiria> i forgot all of them, been 15 years since i last used them :)
15:59 < sibiria> but yeah there's an ever-changing selection
16:00 < jab> sibiria: using freedns.afraid.org...would I have to manually call curl/wget upon every boot ?  I wouldn't really mind that, I could have i3 do that.
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16:00 < sibiria> yes, you should be doing that, and whenever your interface' IP address may change obviously, should you be "roaming" without rebooting
16:01 < sibiria> if you happen to have a domain of your own, pretty much all registrars also offer API pathways for doing the exact same
16:01 < sibiria> very basic functionality these days
16:03 < jab> well thanks for encouraging my to try them out.  I probably will.  I've never understood how to do ddns and that seems really easy from that website.
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16:08 < jab> well I may have to use freedns.afraid.org...
16:08 < jab> seems like the Hurd is not broadcasting it's ip address via mdns
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16:12 < pardis> then how was this working on Linux?
16:13 < jab> I haven't tried using mdns on the Hurd in maybe...6 months.
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16:14 < jab> the Hurd's mdns program is called "The terrible-mdns-responder," because we have not been able to port any mdns to it.
16:14 < jab> https://hurd.ion.nu/hurd/terrible-mdns-responder.html  
16:14 < jab> maybe the code bitrotted.
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16:17 < jab> I'll try to get afraid.dns working.  I'll probably get confused and ask for help again tomorrow.  :(  thanks.
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16:18 < lts> Have you considered not using mdns?
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16:25 < jab> that's literally what I just said.  "I'll try to get afraid.dns working"  That's using dynamic DNS apparently.  I'm not sure how it work, but I'm going to try that.
16:25 < jab> sorry for being a bit short.
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16:34 < jab> ok, I genuinely have a question about how to use DDNS to reliably ssh between two laptops from any network...if you all are encouraging me to stop pasting in the channel...then I can just spend a day or two trying to figure it out on my own...but may I ask another question ?  (I also have my own domain ("gnucode.org"), which may mean that I don't need to use freedns.afraid.org according to "if you happen to have a domain of your own, 
16:34 < jab> pretty much all registrars also offer API pathways for doing the exact same".
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16:40 < seninha> Hi, on a flavored port, how to keep its pkg/PLIST? Should run “make update-plist” for every flavor and flavor combination?
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17:41 < sibiria> jab: your registrar, where i presume you also run NS services for the domain, will have an API so that you can update e.g. A/AAAA record without having to log into their control panel
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17:44 < sibiria> ...unless they are, uh, the archaic types
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18:12 < anexit> is that bug in openbsd real or just bullshit?
18:12 < anexit> https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/1sf588l/claude_mythos_preview_anthropic_finds_27_year_old/
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18:17 < anexit> geesh
18:17 < anexit> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=177403860213017&w=2
18:17 < morpho> fixed a while a go
18:18 < morpho> 27th march
18:18 < anexit> yeah, just seeing that
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18:19 < cgnarne> decade old bugs getting fixed is nothing special
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18:20 < anexit> how can I check if it's applied?
18:20 < cgnarne> using ai as a kind of fuzzer is probably one of the least harmful uses
18:21 < morpho> check erreta
18:21 < anexit> syspatch
18:21 < anexit> 025
18:21 < anexit> OpenBSD 7.8 errata 025, March 25, 2026:
18:24 < sibiria> since it's a kernel path, you need to reboot the patched kernel as well
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18:36 < morpho> wonder if that was ever used
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18:38 < anexit> yeah
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18:38 < anexit> but again.. it would need to be a correct series
18:38 < anexit> looks impossible to do
18:39 < anexit> ack could change through router calls
18:39 < anexit> 1 to 1 not so much 
18:40  * oldlaptop reflects that the way to get everyone to take a DoS seriously again is to have an AI firm find one and blast out marketing about it
18:40 < anexit> lol
18:40 < oldlaptop> or, as for "the linux one" in the same marketing blitz, the way to get everyone to take a linux local-elevation seriously again
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18:43 < oldlaptop> cgnarne: Hard to say without a clear idea of the cost (in computer time *and* human time), but with the marketing glitz stripped away the model they're selling may well be useful
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18:46 < cgnarne> least harmful in the same way that a 1kt nuke is less harmful than a 1mt nuke
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18:48 < oldlaptop> ("AI" in this context sheds more light than heat. If you wanted to sell it right now, it would be defensible to call, say, afl an "AI system" or "machine-learning system".)
18:49 < oldlaptop> or an optimizing compiler, or an SQL database's query planner, or a CPU's branch predictor, or...
18:50 < oldlaptop> (AMD was early on that - way back when the zen CPUs first hit the market suddenly the perceptron branch predictor was "AI" or "ML" or something)
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18:52 < oldlaptop> ironically they seem to have stopped now - e.g. in https://ir.amd.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/794/amd-introduces-new-ryzen-mobile-processors-the-worlds-fastest-processor-for-ultrathin-notebooks1 "SenseMI" means (if I recall correctly)  "we use a perceptron branch predictor"
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19:39 < mischief> i've been a paid freedns customer for about 15 years
19:39 < mischief> its not great, but it works
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19:53 < izder456> jab, look into tailscale or just plain wireguard for this. its basically an overlay network you can set your own static ips for and then you can just use your hosts file to make the access easier. tailscale requires a online annount, and wireguard does not.
19:55 < izder456> for tailscale, each laptop would join the tailnet (their term for your private vpn), and then it'll populate your resolv.conf automagically with dns resolvers that have your device hostnames so you can ssh between them, or any other services they may host
19:56 < izder456> wireguard is a bit out of my league i'll be honest, but i know its possible there too
19:56 < izder456> you might need a vps for wireguard, i can't remember
19:56 < izder456> or some other central server i mean
19:56 < izder456> online account*
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20:09 < morpho> i am trying to compile headscale right now :)
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20:16 < izder456> oh hey morpho
20:17 < izder456> wanna move to #openbsd-social or PMs
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20:28 < riceandbeans> wireguard is trivial to set up
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20:59 < deepesttoaster> I wouldn't say wireguard is trivial. It's very doable, though troubleshooting isn't as straightforward as other solutions.
21:00 < deepesttoaster> It is my preferred solution.
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