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12:31 < opv_> hey guys, i'm trying to find the greylisting settings for smtpd but not finding any matches in the manpages for smtpd or smtpd.conf, can you point me in the right direction?
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12:35 < sonya> opv_: may be this → $ /usr/sbin/pkg_info opensmtpd-filter-spfgreylist
12:36 < sibiria> graylisting doesn't work. stops no spammers
12:36 < opv_> exactly, that's why i want to stop it
12:36 < sibiria> they keep retrying infinitely these days. they don't care for 5xx responses, they both respect and/or ignore 4xx responses
12:37 < opv_> my smtpd sends 451 try again later to any new sender, i want to make that behavior stop
12:38 < sibiria> remove the rspamd filter from your smtpd.conf (and disable rspamd service) should do it
12:39 < sibiria> spamd*
12:41 < opv_> thank you 
12:41 < sibiria> to clarify, if you're just using spamd from the base system, disabling it and any related pf rules should be enough. rspamd is a bit more involved as it integrated with opensmtpd
12:42 < sibiria> sounds like you are using rspamd if your smtpd is responding
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13:16 < vortexx> heads up, new versions of php, firefox and thunderbird landed in ports, packages will be there soon or are already there
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13:34 < renaud> grelisting was a good idea when it was released, but its use is now a little bit counterproductive. It can block legitimate mails from sender pools if you don't whitelist them
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13:35 < sibiria> i would go as far as saying completely counter-productive since more than a decade
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13:37 < sibiria> was useful back in the mid 2000s
13:40  * jmcunx I just applied the new FF/TB packages
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13:42 < kiliro> saluton
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13:53 < ryan> s1
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15:25 < kiliro> which shell does openbsd use?
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15:26 < humm> base includes a derivative of the pdksh
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15:27 < humm> you can use whatever shell you want
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15:36 < thrig> however replacing the root shell with something from ports might be a very bad idea
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15:39 < kiliro> what language is pdksh?
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15:40 < quinq> sh
15:40 < sibiria> sh++
15:41 < kiliro> is that some sot of C++?
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15:41 < humm> no, it’s a joke
15:42 < kiliro> s/sot/sort/
15:42 < sibiria> it's written in C if that's the question
15:42 < kiliro> so, you can write C on that shell?
15:42 < sibiria> it's sh
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15:43 < sibiria> with a few extras
15:43 < kiliro> I am sorry to ask such basic questions
15:43 < sibiria> https://man.openbsd.org/ksh
15:43 < kiliro> so it is a language of its own?
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15:44 < sibiria> no, it's sh
15:44 < sibiria> just like bash is sh (with some extra tricks of its own)
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15:46 < kiliro> good manual!
15:47 < kiliro> "Its command language is a superset of the sh(1) shell language."
15:47 < kiliro> so it is a language
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15:52 < humm> it aims to implement a superset of the POSIX Command Language
15:52 < morpho> i like oksh even on linux
15:53 < thrig> add too many tricks and you get shellshock
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16:09 < morpho> could i use authpf to add password authentication to a website?
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16:12 < mischief> pdksh supports plugins, though i doubt it's been used for anything useful in many years
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16:51 < morpho> also, is it safe to run slowcgi with no chroot? assuming httpd is
16:58 < cgnarne> depends on how much risk you're comfortable with
16:59 < sibiria> it depends on the way you use it. it's not inherently unsafe just because it's not chrooted to some single directory here or there
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17:01 < morpho> ive used httpd to host static pages but there is a fastcgi script i want to add
17:01 < morpho> it uses perl
17:05 < sibiria> should be fine if you are in control of what perl program it runs and eventual inputs
17:05 < tangentnet> I'm using slowcgi for dynamic pages, it is safe IMO.
17:05 < sibiria> in some places i run a custom perl-only fcgi thing for the same
17:06 < morpho> well i was also thinking of putting it behind authpf
17:06 < morpho> and then auhentication is through ssh instead of through web browser
17:07 < tangentnet> management UI?
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17:07 < morpho> just an imageboard
17:08 < morpho> for tech support
17:10 < mischief> authpf itself is probably the wrong approach, you probably want something more like what got does
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17:10 < tangentnet> I am using it for UTM, configuration is bit complex because my wrecked the payload directory structure and then sort of put in place access control. In addition, I route every cgi thru another script. I think you will be alright if you can implement access control
17:11 < tangentnet> s/because my/because I/g (I'm drunk).
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17:15 < morpho> got uses ssh to generate a random link no?
17:29 < morpho> theres mTLS that relayd seems to support
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19:23 < morpho> hrmm, i am getting 405 errors from httpd when trying to POST
19:25 < humm> maybe the method isn’t allowed   https://http.cat/405
19:27 < morpho> does httpd not support it?
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19:39 < morpho> hrmm, what should i look at, the permissions seem to work
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19:50 < thrig> about 50 things might be wrong if CGI Doesn't Work™
19:51 < morpho> thrig: its the kareha imageboard, so perl. you know perl right?
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19:56 < morpho> hrmm, i dont think its looks in the right chroot
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20:36 < cgnarne> if you just want an image board i can recommend tinyib. was easy to set up on OpenBSD 
20:38 < morpho> i was interested in kareha because its perl and no db
20:38 < morpho> it should work i just dont know what im doing
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20:49 < humm> ktrace all the things
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21:01 < morpho> ive no idea, ive never used cgi
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21:12 < mischief> if you know any programming language you could probably write an image board in an afternoon
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21:13 < morpho> mischief: ive been thinking that
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21:14 < morpho> just thought it would be easier(tm) to use an already existing product
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21:23 < morpho> whats a good webstack for openbsd?
21:24 < morpho> https://learnbchs.org/
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21:24 < mischief> all of the usual ones work
21:24 < mischief> the obscure ones usually work too :)
21:24 < morpho> i dont like it
21:24 < morpho> webdev, lol
21:25 < morpho> what do you like?
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21:26 < mischief> last few times with web crap have either been go with mostly stdlib packages, or lua
21:27 < mischief> go or python are probably sane choices, but you should really use whatever you think fits
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21:28 < morpho> and then do you just use a httpd library over cgi?
21:29 < mischief> i don't think there's any particular reason to choose cgi for a new program
21:29 < mischief> the pastebin i made recently is just fronted by relayd https://github.com/mischief/pastebin/
21:31 < morpho> do you need a db? or can just using fs work?
21:32 < mischief> depends on your use case
21:32 < mischief> single sqlite db has some pros and cons
21:34  * oldlaptop would default to "sqlite is the better way to 'use the filesystem'"
21:35 < oldlaptop> as in the line that "sqlite competes with fopen()" (c.f. https://sqlite.org/whentouse.html)
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21:37 < izder456> morpho, i've written toy cgi programs using httpd and slowcgi with statically compiled crystal programs in a chroot. if you need interactivity, its likely easier to just use cgi and a well engineered statically compiled cgi program. otherwise, static html/css/js is another safe bet. make your life easier and don't try and learn a complex framework if you don't actually need it.
21:37 < oldlaptop> apropos of "complex frameworks" and sqlite: https://wapp.tcl.tk/home/doc/trunk/README.md
21:38 < morpho> crystal would be good
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21:40 < izder456> yeah, crystal has a large templating system in ECR that was very helpful for me in my toy programs. admittedly, it was just a toy program that ran my program exfetch and rendered it in html with full colors rather than in the terminal.
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21:47 < cgnarne> a few years ago i wrote a cgi app in sh. that worked better than expected
21:48 < morpho> is there any reason to use cgi in 2026
21:50 < cgnarne> yes, because you want to. that's a good enough reason
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21:50 < oldlaptop> a bit circular if you're trying to decide whether you want to, however
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21:51 < morpho> well this slowcgi app is pretty tricky to debug so i might avoid it for that reason
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22:03 < mischief> running `slowcgi -dv` and `httpd -dv` in separate shells can help
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22:15 < morpho> huh, no errors
22:15 < morpho> well,still get 405 error in browser
22:17 < morpho> is there anything else i need to get POST methods working with httpd?
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22:36 < humm> cgi is fine and cgi is relatively easy
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22:52 < sibiria> morpho: you probably just have a chroot/path issue. httpd accepts POST and will relay them over fastcgi
22:53 < morpho> yeah i think thats right, my slowcgi is on / where as httpd has a different chroot
22:53 < sibiria> though i honestly don't know if slowcgi passes on e.g. url-encoded data and similar
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22:56 < pardis> 405 should not be the result of an incorrect socket path
22:56 < pardis> that might also be a problem, but I'd never expect a 405 error as a consequence
22:56 < sibiria> though both slowcgi and httpd defaults to the same unix socket path
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23:04 < sibiria> and as mischief suggested, just run slowcgi in the foreground and you'll see exactly what it receives and what it tries to invoke
23:05 < sibiria> and remember that your cgi target must be executable
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23:05 < morpho> dont see anything
23:06 < morpho> slowcgi: fork: /board/kareha.pl
23:06 < morpho> slowcgi: wait: /board/kareha.pl
23:06 < sibiria> and what's the chroot path?
23:06 < sibiria> by default slowcgi will chroot into /var/www - you won't be able to invoke perl from in there, unless you copy the whole thing in there, too
23:07 < morpho> its on /
23:07 < sibiria> ok, then it will try to run /board/kareha.pl from the absolute root of your file system
23:07 < morpho> i then symlinked /board to /var/www/board 
23:08 < morpho> and that improved some things
23:08 < morpho> the perl scripts do seems to launch
23:08 < sibiria> is kareha.pl +x? does it have a suitable shebang?
23:08 < morpho> yes
23:09 < sibiria> and it outputs the necessary http headers as well?
23:10 < thrig> 99 questions of CGI on the wall, take one down, pass it around, 100 questions of CGI on the wall, 
23:10 < sibiria> if it doesn't have an internal CGI handler you'll need to do all of those things yourself
23:10 < morpho> probably going to try and write something myself
23:10 < sibiria> output http headers.. read environment.. read stdin to get the request body etc.
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23:11 < morpho> webdev is just hell
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23:11 < sibiria> to be fair, manually responding with http headers without a CGI handler is sort of... mid 1990s webdev :D
23:12 < thrig> nph
23:12 < morpho> B)
23:12 < sibiria> perl does have CGI::Fast to help out tremendously
23:13 < morpho> yeah trying to find a webstack that wont make me want to wander off into the sunset
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23:17 < afresh1> if it's https://github.com/marlencrabapple/kareha-psgi it is already Plack, which comes with an FCGI handler https://metacpan.org/pod/Plack::Handler::FCGI
23:17 < sibiria> httpd and slowcgi *will* do it. but if kareha doesn't have a CGI handler of its own...
23:18 < afresh1> no need for slowcgi
23:18 < afresh1> you could even stuff some OpenBSD::Unveil into https://github.com/marlencrabapple/kareha-psgi/blob/master/script/app.psgi
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23:19 < morpho> yeah
23:20 < morpho> https://wakaba.c3.cx/s/web/wakaba_kareha
23:20 < morpho> this is the source i was using
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23:22 < afresh1> ahh, less sure about that.  It looks like it would _probably_ work with SlowCGI, but the docs are only for Apache and sometimes there are special apache-isms baked in
23:23 < morpho> ahh
23:23 < morpho> maybe i should have just tried apache
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23:33 < afresh1> understanding perl + chroots + FCGI + slowcgi + whatever else just takes some time.
23:34 < morpho> ty
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23:35 < afresh1> I did make some notes about slowcgi and having the script somewhere other than httpd's root https://gist.github.com/afresh1/b30e823770f2a38133c579321b6cbb4a
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23:41 < morpho> afresh1: i was going to put slowcgi on / and httpd in /var/www/
23:41 < morpho> as to avoid copying everything over to /var/www
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