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00:22 < afresh1> morpho: a pretty good plan, although you have to have a fake cgi that exists to fool slowcgi's SCRIPT_FILENAME
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01:04 < morpho> afresh1: ty
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02:48 < rnkn> morpho: you can nfs map the perl lib path into /var/www
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03:50 < mischief> in perl couldn't you do the usual openbsd-style privsep (unveil/chroot/setgid/setuid/pledge) without needing to copy all of the libs?
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04:02 < rnkn> mischief: I'm doing that. seems to work.
04:02 < rnkn> after hitting too many roadblocks trying to chroot the entire app
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04:17 < mischief> of course it only works if you can guarantee everything loads early
04:17 < mischief> my pastebin does it in https://github.com/mischief/pastebin/blob/main/pastebin/privsep.lua
04:18 < mischief> also doesn't work if you are already rootless, unfortunately
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05:58 < voinvoin> Any actual devs around? What happened with the fucking morons at Anthropic with this mythos shit
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06:50 < cgnarne> jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
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07:09 < voinvoin> cgnarne: Anthropic reported that their Mythos model "found" (lmfao) a "27 year old ZERO DAY EXPLOIT" in the openbsd ip stack
07:09 < voinvoin> I'm wondering wtf THEY are talking about
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07:12 < cgnarne> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=177403860213017&w=2
07:12 < voinvoin> What's this virus
07:12 < cgnarne> probably this
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07:13 < voinvoin> >still has to get reported by the dipshit running the model
07:13 < voinvoin> "autonomous" btw
07:13 < voinvoin> fucking kill me
07:13 < voinvoin> anyway, did anyone actually analyze this and determine it 1) mattered and 2) led to actual rce
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07:15 < cgnarne> did you read the link? commit by bluhm, ok by deraadt. 
07:21 < voinvoin> cgnarne: In what world does "ok'd and committed" answer "analysis determined that it both mattered and led to RCE"
07:21 < mischief> it's a NULL pointer dereference, not an RCE. i don't think that was said anywhere. are you also a hallucinating AI? :-)
07:21 < voinvoin> You deserve AI slop to crush your nuts
07:22 < voinvoin> mischief: That's what the media response and anthropic is phrasing it as.
07:22 < cgnarne> go have a temper tantrum elsewhere
07:22 < voinvoin> If you think that's a temper tantrum, you're autistic and need to change your understanding of emotional range.
07:23 < voinvoin> Unironically. It's high time people grew up and figured out that their muted prozac haze isn't normal and shouldn't be the goal.
07:23 < mischief> the original article explicitly states they found (and it is) a null pointer deference
07:24 < voinvoin> https://news.bitcoin.com/claude-mythos-preview-anthropics-unreleased-ai-cracked-linux-and-openbsd-bugs-humans-missed-for-decades/ 27 YEARS!!!!! LINUX AND OPENBSD CRACKED WIDE OPEN!!!!
07:24 < voinvoin> From anthropic's slophouse: The vulnerabilities it finds are often subtle or difficult to detect. Many of them are ten or twenty years old, with the oldest we have found so far being a now-patched 27-year-old bug in OpenBSD—an operating system known primarily for its security.  
07:24 < voinvoin> ZERO DAY VULNERABILITY!!!!
07:25 < voinvoin> We know what the fuck that implies.
07:25 < voinvoin> This is why "ok'd and committed" has implications, too. Not saying directly in the thread to the public that anthropic is blowing smoke up everyone's ass is negligent.
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07:27 < mischief> complaints about bitcoin.com's journalism belong elsewhere
07:27 < voinvoin> Their claim, implicitly, is that the nullpointer deref was worth $20,000 (by saying that's how much it cost to find). What's the actual opinion?
07:27 < voinvoin> mischief: it was a single point to help your rotting roll-over-and-take-it personality get up to speed
07:28 < voinvoin> I then quoted the fucking slopsterpiece anthropic shit out to shill their "ultimate bug finder"
07:28 < voinvoin> How about, "complaints about complaints when you're not a fucking dev like I originally slated the conversation for belong up mischief's ass"
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14:48 < renaud> voinvoin: it's not an exploit in any way, just a remote crash
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14:51 < renaud> you could just crash OpenBSD machines. Although not mine since I was running net.inet.tcp.sack=0 for years, although I don't remember why
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16:13 < martian67> it is an exploit, just not arbitrary code execution
16:13 < martian67> merely causes a crash
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16:16 < sibiria> i would class it a vulnerability, since it cannot be exploited
16:20 < morpho> linux is impossible to harden
16:20  * morpho shrugs
16:20 < morpho> for a small team / one mind
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16:22 < deimosBSD> anthropic did nothing unique, they just have billions to burn for marketing stunts
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16:22 < deimosBSD> plenty of people have now re-created their stunt with open weight, smaller models, for example, https://aisle.com/blog/ai-cybersecurity-after-mythos-the-jagged-frontier
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16:23 < deimosBSD> mostly, it's a focus of time vs benefits. Please give me billions and I'll have multi-cpu, TEE-enabled vmm working in OpenBSD in a year. I offer you maybe millions in revenue in return. 
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16:25 < morpho> openbsd is killing it on marketing
16:25 < jmcunx> FWIW, that issue is no concern to me :)  Anyway, this site says it was fixed in OpenBSD: https://research.checkpoint.com/2019/tcp-sack-security-issue-in-openbsd-cve-2019-8460/
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16:25 < jmcunx> maybe I am confused about the problem and getting things mixed up 
16:26 < sibiria> that is the vulnerability, and it was indeed fixed
16:27 < deimosBSD> had I billions, i'd donate millions to the openbsd foundation on the condition they continue to avoid bluetooth
16:27 < morpho> there is a bluetooth stick for obsd now ;)
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16:33 < mischief> no, that is not the same bug
16:34 < deimosBSD> yeah, it's not the same bug
16:35 < morpho> ah, very similar though
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16:36 < sibiria> so there are now two SACK-related vulns, only one of which is patched?
16:37 < sibiria> ah, yeah that is a different problem
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16:41 < thrig> the devs would probably continue to avoid bluetooth even with billions
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16:48 < mischief> both are patched
16:48 < mischief> the newer one does not appear to have a CVE allocated, though
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16:52 < RobbieAB> I thought the reason for no bluetooth was no one could be bothered to do the work, as no one actually sees the point.
16:53 < sibiria> i'm sure there are one or two people in the core team who'd like it
16:53 < sibiria> wireless headphones are pretty damned convenient
16:53 < sibiria> just doesn't seem like a priority
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16:54 < morpho> https://web.archive.org/web/20250314074127/https://mailing.openbsd.misc.narkive.com/eEAgHU7f/will-mmap-and-the-read-buffer-cache-be-unified-anyone-working-with-it
16:54 < RobbieAB> sibiria: Not I said "do the work", potentially liking it as a low priority fits into the category perfectly. :D
16:55 < morpho> has this been fixed yet?
16:55 < morpho> or is it a feature?
16:57 < atops> hello can you all see my message to confirm this works>
16:57 < morpho> atops
16:58 < atops> hello
16:58 < atops> the default hexchat theme is a flash bang
16:58 < quinq> You might have to wait a bit of time before all 753 nicks confirm they could read your message
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17:00 < morpho> ah general grievous
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17:07 < atops> haha
17:08 < lts> I saw it
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17:11 < thrig> general quixote... we meet again
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23:45 < schalken> does anyone know if there is a typo here on line 57? looks like it is missing the word "no," as in "by itself has *no* message authenticity or integrity protections." https://github.com/openbsd/src/commit/f271b85bdda810f72e99521065ece118a2f9f376
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